End-time Sign: Christians will be hated of all Nations

[Maliah inked here]

The last trumpet of 1 Thessalonians 4 & 1 Corinthians 15:52 Is not the seventh trumpet of Revelation.

A trumpet is sounded in Revelation 11:15 (by an Angel) --1 Corinthians 15:52, and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Are (The Last Trumpet call of God/ Trump of God)

Revelation 11:15 clearly states this trumpet's sounding in connection with the judgment of the 3rd woe (sounded by an Angel).

First Corinthians 15:51-52 states, "Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed." The trumpet mentioned here is not associated with a particular time, but could take place at any moment. The trumpet is associated with the raising of the bodies of dead believers and the transformation of believers who are still alive.

First Thessalonians 4 speaks of the same event mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15. Verses 16-17 share, "For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, (with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.) And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." Other details are noted here, specifically that the Lord will descend from heaven. This is an activity not mentioned in Revelation 11. The Lord's return, or second coming, is only directly mentioned in Revelation in chapter 19 when He comes with believers to victoriously end the battle of Armageddon and begin His 1,000-year reign.

Also seven different trumpets are used in Revelation to describe different [judgments.] These all take place during the tribulation. However, the catching away (described in 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4) takes place at any moment and before the tribulation. Therefore, these events cannot be referring to the same trumpet sounding.

Isaiah 26 mentions not the trumpet call of God but removal of God's people prior to wrath.
Isaiah 26
19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.

20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.
This language correlates with 1 Corinthians 15; 1Thessalonians 4 and Matthew 25:10b..and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

 

[for_his_glory]

The last trumpet of 1 Thessalonians 4 & 1 Corinthians 15:52 Is not the seventh trumpet of Revelation.

A trumpet is sounded in Revelation 11:15 (by an Angel) --1 Corinthians 15:52, and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Are (The Last Trumpet call of God/ Trump of God)

Revelation 11:15 clearly states this trumpet's sounding in connection with the judgment of the 3rd woe (sounded by an Angel).

First Corinthians 15:51-52 states, "Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed." The trumpet mentioned here is not associated with a particular time, but could take place at any moment. The trumpet is associated with the raising of the bodies of dead believers and the transformation of believers who are still alive.

First Thessalonians 4 speaks of the same event mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15. Verses 16-17 share, "For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, (with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.) And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." Other details are noted here, specifically that the Lord will descend from heaven. This is an activity not mentioned in Revelation 11. The Lord's return, or second coming, is only directly mentioned in Revelation in chapter 19 when He comes with believers to victoriously end the battle of Armageddon and begin His 1,000-year reign.

Also seven different trumpets are used in Revelation to describe different [judgments.] These all take place during the tribulation. However, the catching away (described in 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4) takes place at any moment and before the tribulation. Therefore, these events cannot be referring to the same trumpet sounding.

Isaiah 26 mentions not the trumpet call of God but removal of God's people prior to wrath.
Isaiah 26
19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.

20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.
This language correlates with 1 Corinthians 15; 1Thessalonians 4 and Matthew 25:10b..and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

The seven trumpets beginning in Revelation 8:6 and ending on the last day when Christ returns are all about Gods wrath being poured out upon all nations and has everything to do with Gods Salvation. Many during this time will repent and turn back to God as they will finally have ears to hear the gospel being preached to them by all those who are still alive at this time and have Gods anointing to preach the Gospel. There are no separate trumpets for the saints and sinners as there are only seven that are sounded by the angels as God sends each one out as the soundings brings in all of Gods wrath upon those who refuse to repent and turn back to Him. God said that He would that none should perish, 2 Peter 3:9. Even though God's longsuffering and patience will come to an end as everyone will have an opportunity to repent as the Gospels will have been preached to everyone, but it is only those who will accept Gods free gift of grace, Ephesians 2:8, by faith will be saved. All Christians including those who at this time of the end have finally accepted Jesus will have eternal life with the Father.

There are three woes in Revelations as each one is worse than the other. The first one starts with the opening of the seventh seal in Rev 8:1 through Rev 9:12 that include the first five trumpets. The second woe starts in Rev 9:13 with the sixth trumpet and ends in Rev 11:14. The third woe starts with the seventh trumpet in Rev 11:15 ending in Rev 20:15.

It's during the sounding of the seventh trumpet as being the last trumpet mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 that during this last trumpet mystery Babylon being the mother of harlots will be revealed as the the son of perdition will be exposed, 2 Thessalonians 2:3. This is the false prophet as he forces all to bow down to him and take the mark of the beast or face persecution even to death as many saints of God at this time will die a martyr's death for their witness and testimony of Christ. Many who are weak in faith will fall away from Christ as they accept this mark as they fear for their own lives as this is the falling away the scriptures speak of in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 and Hebrews 6:4-6 as many will be deceived as even now by all the false doctrines that are being taught by man.

It's not until after the seven vial judgements, Rev 16, that mystery Babylon the great is exposed, Rev 17, and then destroyed, Rev 18, as Christ returns in the air with His army of angels, Rev 19:11-21, being only the heavenly host (angels) as no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven, John 3:13. At this time on the last day, John 6:40, Christ will destroy the beast and the false prophet, being the son of perdition, casting them into the lake of fire and slaying the remnant, possibly being the leaders of every nation that the beast out of the sea in Rev 13 controls and gives power to as they rule over the nations.

I do not believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ when He binds Satan, but it being figurative in its numbering as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. I believe at this time of Satan being bound the events of John 5:28, 29, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 will occur quickly as there is only one resurrection, John 5:28-29, but two separate judgements as in separating the sheep from the goats at the White Throne judgement. All who are in their graves will hear the voice of Christ to rise as we who are of Christ, alive and in the grave, will be caught up and gathered to Him and will then be judged and given our rewards, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 11. Those of the second death, Revelation 2:11, 20:6, who have rejected Christ will be judged at the Great White Throne judgment as ther names are not found in the Lamb's Book of Life. They are cast into the lake of fire where Satan and his army that he gathered from all nations to battle against the camp of the saints, but have been consumed by the fire sent down from heaven and Satan cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:7-10. God then proceeds to renew the heaven and earth and ushers down the New Jerusalem where we will be with the Lord for all eternity.

 

[Maliah inked here]

The seven trumpets beginning in Revelation 8:6 and ending on the last day when Christ returns are all about Gods wrath being poured out upon all nations and has everything to do with Gods Salvation. Many during this time will repent and turn back to God as they will finally have ears to hear the gospel being preached to them by all those who are still alive at this time and have Gods anointing to preach the Gospel. There are no separate trumpets for the saints and sinners as there are only seven that are sounded by the angels as God sends each one out as the soundings brings in all of Gods wrath upon those who refuse to repent and turn back to Him. God said that He would that none should perish, 2 Peter 3:9. Even though God's longsuffering and patience will come to an end as everyone will have an opportunity to repent as the Gospels will have been preached to everyone, but it is only those who will accept Gods free gift of grace, Ephesians 2:8, by faith will be saved. All Christians including those who at this time of the end have finally accepted Jesus will have eternal life with the Father.

There are three woes in Revelations as each one is worse than the other. The first one starts with the opening of the seventh seal in Rev 8:1 through Rev 9:12 that include the first five trumpets. The second woe starts in Rev 9:13 with the sixth trumpet and ends in Rev 11:14. The third woe starts with the seventh trumpet in Rev 11:15 ending in Rev 20:15.

It's during the sounding of the seventh trumpet as being the last trumpet mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 that during this last trumpet mystery Babylon being the mother of harlots will be revealed as the the son of perdition will be exposed, 2 Thessalonians 2:3. This is the false prophet as he forces all to bow down to him and take the mark of the beast or face persecution even to death as many saints of God at this time will die a martyr's death for their witness and testimony of Christ. Many who are weak in faith will fall away from Christ as they accept this mark as they fear for their own lives as this is the falling away the scriptures speak of in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 and Hebrews 6:4-6 as many will be deceived as even now by all the false doctrines that are being taught by man.

It's not until after the seven vial judgements, Rev 16, that mystery Babylon the great is exposed, Rev 17, and then destroyed, Rev 18, as Christ returns in the air with His army of angels, Rev 19:11-21, being only the heavenly host (angels) as no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven, John 3:13. At this time on the last day, John 6:40, Christ will destroy the beast and the false prophet, being the son of perdition, casting them into the lake of fire and slaying the remnant, possibly being the leaders of every nation that the beast out of the sea in Rev 13 controls and gives power to as they rule over the nations.

I do not believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ when He binds Satan, but it being figurative in its numbering as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. I believe at this time of Satan being bound the events of John 5:28, 29, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 will occur quickly as there is only one resurrection, John 5:28-29, but two separate judgements as in separating the sheep from the goats at the White Throne judgement. All who are in their graves will hear the voice of Christ to rise as we who are of Christ, alive and in the grave, will be caught up and gathered to Him and will then be judged and given our rewards, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 11. Those of the second death, Revelation 2:11, 20:6, who have rejected Christ will be judged at the Great White Throne judgment as ther names are not found in the Lamb's Book of Life. They are cast into the lake of fire where Satan and his army that he gathered from all nations to battle against the camp of the saints, but have been consumed by the fire sent down from heaven and Satan cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:7-10. God then proceeds to renew the heaven and earth and ushers down the New Jerusalem where we will be with the Lord for all eternity.

Absolutely we believe differently! It's ok to agree to disagree about the timing of the catching away but The Lord's Millennial reign, when he returns to Jerusalem, With His Church to be "looked upon by those who pierced Him" is not questionable to me.
I often share my thoughts and hours of study with others, it breeds hope and expectancy of The Lords glorious appearing, the commencement of eternity, ending in a glorious 1000 years of Christ ruling the nations in a time of peace and righteous rule and a new heaven and Earth to come soon after, and will continue to.

 

[for_his_glory]

Absolutely we believe differently! It's ok to agree to disagree about the timing of the catching away but The Lord's Millennial reign, when he returns to Jerusalem, With His Church to be "looked upon by those who pierced Him" is not questionable to me.
I often share my thoughts and hours of study with others, it breeds hope and expectancy of The Lords glorious appearing, the commencement of eternity, ending in a glorious 1000 years of Christ ruling the nations in a time of peace and righteous rule and a new heaven and Earth to come soon after, and will continue to.

All depends if one believes in a pretrib Rapture in which I do not believe in according to Matthew 24:29-31, 36-39 and 1Corinthians 15:50-58 just to name a couple places as there are more scriptures.

I also do not believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ. Between the binding of Satan and being loosed scripture says 1000 years, but many parts of Revelation are symbolic in what John was shown in His visions as I see 1000 years only being a figurative numbering as I can't see God waiting a literal 1000 years after the return of Christ before casting Satan into the lake of fire and then His final judgment and the new Jerusalem being ushered down from heaven after this present earth and heaven are restored back to what God created in the beginning.

There are various teachings about the thousand years, but I do not see the thousand years being literal after Satan is bound even though a thousand is written. I believe it is symbolic or figurative number like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:3-5; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

 

[07/07/07]

But he who endures to the end shall be saved. Matthew 24:13




JLB

Easier said than done. It's going to get real hard.

 

[JLB]

Easier said than done. It's going to get real hard.

Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:14

 

[Davos]

Easier said than done. It's going to get real hard.

It was hard for those who were burnt at the stake or tortured by the Inquisition.

A couple of miles from here John brown was burnt at the stake after having to stand on hot coals till his feet were burnt to the bone. July 4th 1533, Andrew Hewitt, an apprentice to the king's tailor, who was a resident of my old home town of Faversham, was burnt at the stake in London, together with John Frith, probably the most learned man of his day. In Maidstone not too far from here, 8 people were led from the prison to the stake, as they were led out, as one eighteen year old stumbled the Sheriff asked "What ails thee maiden?" Then someone called out, "You honour, Elizabeth is blind." They were led to the place and burnt together.

 

[Maliah inked here]

All depends if one believes in a pretrib Rapture in which I do not believe in according to Matthew 24:29-31, 36-39 and 1Corinthians 15:50-58 just to name a couple places as there are more scriptures.

I also do not believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ. Between the binding of Satan and being loosed scripture says 1000 years, but many parts of Revelation are symbolic in what John was shown in His visions as I see 1000 years only being a figurative numbering as I can't see God waiting a literal 1000 years after the return of Christ before casting Satan into the lake of fire and then His final judgment and the new Jerusalem being ushered down from heaven after this present earth and heaven are restored back to what God created in the beginning.

There are various teachings about the thousand years, but I do not see the thousand years being literal after Satan is bound even though a thousand is written. I believe it is symbolic or figurative number like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:3-5; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

Yep there are many teachings for sure! I finally came to the place 3 years ago where I got serious with The Lord and said, I've had it with all the different teachings, show me Your truth in these scriptures by prayer and study, and the journey has been one of peace through these rough waters, multiplied hope for the future and a whole new appreciation for Him!
God is sovereign and completely and gloriously exhalted in and through all of scripture. It's better than the finest oil painting! Blessed be His name!
It's an honor to be a disciple!

 

[07/07/07]

It was hard for those who were burnt at the stake or tortured by the Inquisition.

A couple of miles from here John brown was burnt at the stake after having to stand on hot coals till his feet were burnt to the bone. July 4th 1533, Andrew Hewitt, an apprentice to the king's tailor, who was a resident of my old home town of Faversham, was burnt at the stake in London, together with John Frith, probably the most learned man of his day. In Maidstone not too far from here, 8 people were led from the prison to the stake, as they were led out, as one eighteen year old stumbled the Sheriff asked "What ails thee maiden?" Then someone called out, "You honour, Elizabeth is blind." They were led to the place and burnt together.

In our day, Christians are being killed. Here is just one country.

"According to its findings, over the past 14 years at least 52,250 Nigerian Christians have been brutally murdered at the hands of Islamist militants, more than 30,000 of whom during the eight-year presidency of former Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari, often criticized during his tenure for not doing enough to combat growing insecurity in the country." - Over 50,000 Christians killed in Nigeria by Islamist extremists

 

[Davos]

All depends if one believes in a pretrib Rapture in which I do not believe in according to Matthew 24:29-31, 36-39 and 1Corinthians 15:50-58 just to name a couple places as there are more scriptures.

I also do not believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ. Between the binding of Satan and being loosed scripture says 1000 years, but many parts of Revelation are symbolic in what John was shown in His visions as I see 1000 years only being a figurative numbering as I can't see God waiting a literal 1000 years after the return of Christ before casting Satan into the lake of fire and then His final judgment and the new Jerusalem being ushered down from heaven after this present earth and heaven are restored back to what God created in the beginning.

There are various teachings about the thousand years, but I do not see the thousand years being literal after Satan is bound even though a thousand is written. I believe it is symbolic or figurative number like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:3-5; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

Could be. But many believe thet creation will be a giant week. As in 6 days God did his work and rested on the Sabbath. So the seventh millennium will be a Sabbath.

The Jews seemed to think there was a 1000 year rest from the OT.