End Time Vision to come

[for_his_glory]

Okay, sure, I'll grant that for verse 14, although it has a past application as well. It could be said that with the destruction of Babylon would be known throughout the known world, as they were the most powerful nation and it surely would have become known everywhere. It could also be said of the spread of the gospel--future to Habakkuk, past and present for us.

However, on the whole, the vision is about God using Babylon in judgement against Judah and then Babylon's destruction. And that has all happened.

You can't have it both ways Free as now you are really contradicting yourself as saying it has already happened as in done finished, but also saying it is past and present. Make up your mind as you are very confusing.

 

[Free]

There is no 1John 1:27 so how can you credit yourself with something that is not written in scripture.

Please use some common sense and see that I mistyped. It clearly should have been 1John 2:27, as that is what I was addressing from your post.

None the less, what you are missing is that we are to try the spirits that speak as there are only two as one is error and the other truth, John 4:1-6. We are to use discernment through the Holy Spirit to know that of Gods anointed ones who are given the gifts from the Holy Spirit to teach the word of God. Again, are all anointed to Pastor or teach, no, as they walk according to their own will being disobedient to Gods will.

I am missing nothing here. Of course we are to try the spirits but that is irrelevant to the issue at hand, namely, that you are teaching that the Bible says that all we need is the Holy Spirit to teach us, that we don't need man.

That not all pastors or teachers are anointed is also irrelevant to whether or not we are to listen to pastors and teachers. Quite clearly the biblical model is that God has gifted some as pastors and teachers, which includes theologians and the books they have written, as the main way in which believers are to be taught.

 

[smaller]

Okay, sure, I'll grant that for verse 14, although it has a past application as well. It could be said that with the destruction of Babylon would be known throughout the known world, as they were the most powerful nation and it surely would have become known everywhere. It could also be said of the spread of the gospel--future to Habakkuk, past and present for us.

Perhaps deeper issues with both Egypt and Babylon is that they speaks to spiritual captivity and Gods Judgments. It's quite pointless to see these O.T. actions as historical one and done matters. They simply are not.

However, on the whole, the vision is about God using Babylon in judgement against Judah and then Babylon's destruction. And that has all happened.

And will happen again. All Gods people are called out of Babylon. Rev. 18:4.

There is much more to see with these matters than Israel's captivity at that time.

 

[for_his_glory]

Please use some common sense and see that I mistyped. It clearly should have been 1John 2:27, as that is what I was addressing from your post.


I am missing nothing here. Of course we are to try the spirits but that is irrelevant to the issue at hand, namely, that you are teaching that the Bible says that all we need is the Holy Spirit to teach us, that we don't need man.

That not all pastors or teachers are anointed is also irrelevant to whether or not we are to listen to pastors and teachers. Quite clearly the biblical model is that God has gifted some as pastors and teachers, which includes theologians and the books they have written, as the main way in which believers are to be taught.

Is it not the Holy Spirit who works through those that are truly indwelled? Not all have that indwelling as we can clearly see in many churches. If you want to believe everything that comes from the pulpits than that is your right, but I am very leary when what comes from the pulpit does not line up with the word of God.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Is anybody aware of a vision that is to come at the end?

I'am not sure what you are asking? Are you asking if there is a vision of the end time or the last vision of the Bible? What do you call the end?

 

[Free]

Ever hear of history repeating itself!!!.............do the ancestry lineage throughout the ages and you will see that of the abomination that causes desolation that has always persecuted those of faith in God.

That has nothing to do with your contradiction in agreeing with me. You clearly stated that Habakkuk wrote his book long after the Babylonian invasion--as a basis for your argument that it isa future only prophecy--yet you agreed with me that that was not the case. So which was it?

 

[for_his_glory]

That has nothing to do with your contradiction in agreeing with me. You clearly stated that Habakkuk wrote his book long after the Babylonian invasion--as a basis for your argument that it isa future only prophecy--yet you agreed with me that that was not the case. So which was it?

I clarified what I said in post # 35 with post #48 if you want to go back and read it. What Habakkuk saw in his vision he was told to write about the future event of the Babylonian captivity of Judah in his time so that others can repent and flee from it. God uses Babylon as a rod of His punishment against Judah for they would not repent of going after other gods. This is the same Babylonian Empire God will use as His rod of punishment in the end of days with mystery Babylon as His judgment falls on those who refuse to repent and turn back to His grace. Daniel Chapter 7 gives us the clues for this Babylonian Empire's lineage that even crucified Christ and has always persecuted the Apostles and saints of God and will continue to do so until the end of days.

 

[Free]

Is it not the Holy Spirit who works through those that are truly indwelled? Not all have that indwelling as we can clearly see in many churches. If you want to believe everything that comes from the pulpits than that is your right, but I am very leary when what comes from the pulpit does not line up with the word of God.

You are purposefully misrepresenting my position. I have never stated nor implied that anyone should "believe everything that comes from the pulpits." One cannot conclude I am saying that and actually have read what I wrote. What I have stated implies that we should be checking all teaching, even our own.

Of course the Holy Spirit works through believers, that is rather my point, but you seem to want to largely ignore that and believe the Holy Spirit only works through you. By believing in only your own personal interpretation you have set yourself above all others, including God's appointed pastors and teachers, which is a very dangerous place to be spiritually.

 

[for_his_glory]

You are purposefully misrepresenting my position. I have never stated nor implied that anyone should "believe everything that comes from the pulpits." One cannot conclude I am saying that and actually have read what I wrote. What I have stated implies that we should be checking all teaching, even our own.

Of course the Holy Spirit works through believers, that is rather my point, but you seem to want to largely ignore that and believe the Holy Spirit only works through you. By believing in only your own personal interpretation you have set yourself above all others, including God's appointed pastors and teachers, which is a very dangerous place to be spiritually.

You are so far left in the outfield as I never said the Holy Spirit only works through me. I said the Holy Spirit only works through those who are anointed by the Holy Spirit as not every preacher or teacher is as they appoint themselves and only give lip service to the Lord deceiving those who lack knowledge. You present like we are to believe everything a pastor or teacher says or writes and then mix it with them having gifts even though you say that is not what you mean. We need to be checking everything that is being taught to us as we try the spirits asking the Holy Spirit for discernment as man can not discern for us. I believe even if we did not have the written word to read the Holy Spirit would still teach us those things God wants us to know.

2Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[Free]

You are so far left in the outfield as I never said the Holy Spirit only works through me.

Note that I said "you seem to" believe that. This whole conversation started because you stated that interpreting Scripture is "up to us" and equated commentaries with a false gospel:

"it is up to us to rightly divide the word of God through that of the Holy Spirit, not mans commentaries as we are taught to trust no other gospel that sets itself a part from the Holy Spirit".

To me, this sounds just like another poster in this thread who will not listen to anyone other than "the Holy Spirit." Is that what you believe, that all we need is the Holy Spirit?

I said the Holy Spirit only works through those who are anointed by the Holy Spirit as not every preacher or teacher is as they appoint themselves and only give lip service to the Lord deceiving those who lack knowledge.

And then you make generalizations such as this about teachers, which makes it seem that you are against all teachers. Do you use commentaries, lexicons, or other theological books in interpreting Scripture? Do you listen to various teachers and preachers and consider what they say about Scripture?

You present like we are to believe everything a pastor or teacher says or writes and then mix it with them having gifts even though you say that is not what you mean. We need to be checking everything that is being taught to us as we try the spirits asking the Holy Spirit for discernment as man can not discern for us. I believe even if we did not have the written word to read the Holy Spirit would still teach us those things God wants us to know.

I don't know how you got that from what I have said, especially since I posted:

"The biblical way is to not only study on our own, but we are also to listen to pastors and teachers, which includes theologians, commentaries, lexicons, etc. We always seek the Holy Spirit in learning from all sources but we don't ultimately rely just on our interpretation."

 

[for_his_glory]

"The biblical way is to not only study on our own, but we are also to listen to pastors and teachers, which includes theologians, commentaries, lexicons, etc. We always seek the Holy Spirit in learning from all sources but we don't ultimately rely just on our interpretation."

I believe we need to study on our own by praying first and asking the Holy Spirit for wisdom and understanding of what we are reading in scripture so that when we hear the teachings of others we can rightly discern if they are teaching under the anointing that only comes from God or that they are teaching from mans traditional doctrine that has no anointing to it. I have seen many Pastors who are given a written sermon from the governing counsel of their church to only read that of what they allowed the Pastor to speak. It's either a fire and brimstone teaching or a tickle the ear type teaching, but bares no fruit of the Spirit. When asked by others what they learned in Church that day you will hear "I don't know, but it scared the hell out of me" or you hear "I don't remember, but it made me feel good. Is that the type of teachings we should be sitting under!!!

 

[Free]

I believe we need to study on our own by praying first and asking the Holy Spirit for wisdom and understanding of what we are reading in scripture so that when we hear the teachings of others we can rightly discern if they are teaching under the anointing that only comes from God or that they are teaching from mans traditional doctrine that has no anointing to it.

But what does studying on our own entail--other books or just the Bible? What happens if your understanding of a passage differs from someone else's? How do you know when someone's teachings are "under the anointing that only comes from God"?

 

[Sinthesis]

I have seen many Pastors who are given a written sermon from the governing counsel of their church to only read that of what they allowed the Pastor to speak. It's either a fire and brimstone teaching or a tickle the ear type teaching, but bares no fruit of the Spirit. When asked by others what they learned in Church that day you will hear "I don't know, but it scared the hell out of me" or you hear "I don't remember, but it made me feel good. Is that the type of teachings we should be sitting under!!!

Perhaps; perhaps not. How do you know that isn't exactly the kind of sermon somebody else needed to hear that day? As servants we should accept that it's not all about what we want, or even think is right.

 

[Taniesh]

Brother, that was not my vision, but from Brother Tommy Hicks, in 1961, during the time of the Argentine Revival.





JLB

I am sorry of misunderstanding it was your vision JLB and I am not a brother 2.

 

[Taniesh]

There is no 1John 1:27 so how can you credit yourself with something that is not written in scripture.
None the less, what you are missing is that we are to try the spirits that speak as there are only two as one is error and the other truth, John 4:1-6. We are to use discernment through the Holy Spirit to know that of Gods anointed ones who are given the gifts from the Holy Spirit to teach the word of God. Again, are all anointed to Pastor or teach, no, as they walk according to their own will being disobedient to Gods will.

People gets mixed up with thinking because many are called they are anointed but forget that a few are actually chosen.
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few [are] chosen.

1Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called]:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea , and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

 

[for_his_glory]

Perhaps; perhaps not. How do you know that isn't exactly the kind of sermon somebody else needed to hear that day? As servants we should accept that it's not all about what we want, or even think is right.

When there is a dictatorship in governing over the church of what the Pastor can or can not teach then that shows me that Pastor has never received the anointing from the Holy Spirit as he takes his guidance from man and not the Holy Spirit leading him.

 

[for_his_glory]

But what does studying on our own entail--other books or just the Bible? What happens if your understanding of a passage differs from someone else's? How do you know when someone's teachings are "under the anointing that only comes from God"?

Studying on our own through the Holy Spirit entails not only comparing scripture with scripture, OT against NT, but also includes the history and cultures of the times of each one who wrote the books that make up our Bible. Not all commentaries are bad, but we need to Spiritually discern all things written in them so we know truth from error. If my understanding differs than it needs to be discussed as we share the scriptures that lead us to how and why we believe a certain thing. I find Christians forums like CF a very good avenue to discuss and share with each other as I have learned much from the anointed ones who come in here. When one's teachings line up with scripture word for word then you know they are anointed from the Holy Spirit as God has called many, but few are chosen.

 

[for_his_glory]

People gets mixed up with thinking because many are called they are anointed but forget that a few are actually chosen.
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few [are] chosen.

1Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called]:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea , and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

Many who started out with the anointing that were chosen have sold themselves over to greed causing much deception in religion as they have become lovers of self and walked away from their first love.

Galatians 3:
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

 

[Taniesh]

for his glory it is refreshing to hear someone else talk about the very same thing I know and have been taught.

 

[for_his_glory]

for his glory it is refreshing to hear someone else talk about the very same thing I know and have been taught.

The teachings of scripture has become such a majority rule socially acceptable word that has left out what God has already spoken as the doctrines of Christ have become the deceptive doctrines of man. Many would rather believe everything that comes from the pulpit of their flavor of Church they belong to, but neglect what scripture truly teaches us. There is nothing in scripture that is hard to understand if we would just seek the Holy Spirit who will teach us all things God wants revealed to us. Apart from the Holy Spirit speaking through those who God has chosen and anointed to teach us, man can teach us nothing.