Bible Study Envy

[B]

The fact remains that if everything in existence has been created by God then he can be the only source of evil. It simply cannot have come from anywhere else!!

''Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?''
-Epicuris

 

[Chupacabra]

If you view God in a harsh way,then you are already
decieved before you ever had a chance.

You pointed this out in another thread, and I pointed out that if this were good methodology, it could be applied to all religions. If you gave all religions the benefit of the doubt, you could easily cover up any holes and inconsistencies and come to the conclusion that they are correct as well.

God may appear mean to you,but it doesn't seem as though you
have really wanted to understand things from God's side.

I can't see from "god's side" but I can tell you that if Jehovah was a good god, he'd use his power carefully and would have higher moral standards than he demands of others. Why doesn't he?

If you are not willing to do that,you will be given over to a reprobate
mind.

So if I examine something critically than I'm immoral? Think about what you're saying here and I'm sure you'll realize how ludicrous it is.

 

[Guest]

I can't see from "god's side" but I can tell you that if Jehovah was a good god, he'd use his power carefully and would have higher moral standards than he demands of others. Why doesn't he?

:smt017 How can you,a human being dare try to call God into
question? How arrogant that you'd even think you can know his mind
or his thoughts,and judge what you think he does!
God uses his power just fine,and this you will one day understand.
I hope you will learn about it before it's too late though.
When I mention God,I'm not talking about religion or mans way of
interpreting the bible.
God's ways are higher than our ways,and you cannot understand the
mind of God,no more than you could understand the minds of your
parents when you were a baby.
You are immoral by choice. Some of us will one day be immortal.
The bottom line folly of the secular mind is: "I have rights"!

 

[Guest]

The fact remains that if everything in existence has been created by God then he can be the only source of evil. It simply cannot have come from anywhere else!!

''Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?''
-Epicuris

:smt069 So now God has no power because he gave us free
choice? Man creates evil on his own by letting evil thoughts form
in his heart,and satan turns up the volume. Are you trying to
say that man has no control over what he or she does?
Whenever you are willing to become an adult just let me know.
In the mean time,I'd rather use my time more wisely. Thanks.
Yes, God has some self respect if thats what your driving at.

 

[B]

Quote;
''Man creates evil''

I'm sorry, I thought that only God had the power to create or destroy.
You have contradicted yourself and demonstrated why you god is logically implausable

 

[Guest]

Quote;
''Man creates evil''

I'm sorry, I thought that only God had the power to create or destroy.
You have contradicted yourself and demonstrated why you god is logically implausable

:smt031 God does have the power to create and destroy,but did
you not know that all the power the devil has,he's got to get from God?
Do you not know that God can use the devil to accomplish his will?
If you believe thats wrong,so be it,but I don't.
I don't contradict myself,you really don't want God to exist,and anyone
who knows he does is a threat to you and the world that you invented
for yourself. Can you demonstrate how you feel that you are more
intelligent than God,or that you are so smart that you are sure God
cannot exist. I know that you are not all knowing and your are not
intelligent enough to conclude that there is no God,plus,I know God
exists even though you hope he doesn't.
If you were intelligent enough to know if God was real or not,you'd
be saved right now. This I know for a fact.,unless you still chose to
rebel against him as some do and will do in the tribulation.

 

[B]

Quote;
''God does have the power to create and destroy,but did
you not know that all the power the devil has,he's got to get from God?''

Well obviously. And why, I ask, wouyld you want to worship such a monster, responsible for millions of blameless deaths.

If I died and there was a a god I'd tell him where to get off. I refuse to kneel befroe a tyrant.

 

[Guest]

Quote;
''God does have the power to create and destroy,but did
you not know that all the power the devil has,he's got to get from God?''

Well obviously. And why, I ask, wouyld you want to worship such a monster, responsible for millions of blameless deaths.

If I died and there was a a god I'd tell him where to get off. I refuse to kneel befroe a tyrant.

:smt018 Thats your twisted view of God,but thats not my view of
him,amen. My Redeemer lives,and I love to worship him.
Have you ever listened to Third Day and their song " Sing a Song"?
What about Tait, and their song " All You Got" ?
What about Petra and their song " If I had To Die for Someone" ?
You most likely haven't,but it's good stuff!

 

[B]

Quote;
''Thats your twisted view of God,but thats not my view of
him,amen.''

Twisted? I'm basing my view on the evidence. And that includes the bible. God kills, it seems, for fun.

Haven't heard the music, but I'm open to anything not too preachy. I'm a musician myself, so it's all good!

 

[Guest]

Quote;
''Thats your twisted view of God,but thats not my view of
him,amen.''

Twisted? I'm basing my view on the evidence. And that includes the bible. God kills, it seems, for fun.

Haven't heard the music, but I'm open to anything not too preachy. I'm a musician myself, so it's all good!

colros: I have the evidence,so I know you couldn't possibly
have any evidence against God,amen. God did not kill for fun,he killed
the wicked so wickedness wouldn't spread,and we are all his to do with
as he pleases anyway. The fact that he cares about us and loves us proves that he is good and that he wants a close relationship with us.
He doesn't have to care,but he does. There is a right way and there is
a wrong way about everything. God made us,so only he knows what
we need to live.
Yes it's preachy & I love it preachy! Thats the way I like it.

 

[Chupacabra]

he killed
the wicked so wickedness wouldn't spread

Frequently, he killed folks for others' crimes. Surely this is not just. You say he killed the evil so their evil would not spread. Killing is quite a desperate measure. Wouldn't his supposed love be better represented with rehabilitation?

and we are all his to do with
as he pleases anyway.

This is bone-chilling. Why does god have the right to do whatever he wants to us? The only real answer I can find is "because he can." If he is powerful enough to do something, he may. As for the whole "he created us" spiel, I demonstrated in a previous thread that ownership of man is then a matter of philosophy, but it is undeniably cruel to create something with feelings, capacity for physical pain, and a thinking mind just to torment and destroy. If you want to say that your god is everyone's owner because he created them then that's your philosophy, but you cannot rationally deny the cruelty and immaturity of it.

 

[Guest]

This is bone-chilling. Why does god have the right to do whatever he wants to us? The only real answer I can find is "because he can." If he is powerful enough to do something, he may. As for the whole "he created us" spiel, I demonstrated in a previous thread that ownership of man is then a matter of philosophy, but it is undeniably cruel to create something with feelings, capacity for physical pain, and a thinking mind just to torment and destroy. If you want to say that your god is everyone's owner because he created them then that's your philosophy, but you cannot rationally deny the cruelty and immaturity of it.

: Your hatred of The Holy God of the bible is bone chilling!
Vengeance is mine says the Lord.
Why didn't God just destroy man long ago?
Please don't try to justify your lack of Faith in the holy God of the
bible to me anymore.
I believe your hatred of the righteous God has led to your utter
ignorance. You need a pacifier. Please stop crying to me about
your dis-belief.

 

[Chupacabra]

Vengeance is mine says the Lord.

Once more, is saying you can doing something and having the power to go through with the threat make an action moral? If so, then it'd be tough contesting Pol Pot's reign of terror- he said he'd kill or imprison numerous groups, had the power to do so, and did just that.

Why didn't God just destroy man long ago?

Would that really be indicative of a loving god? Why would he create man in the first place knowning that most men would end up in hell because of this god's own rules? Why couldn't he change the rules, not create Satan, or not create hell? Regardless of whether he has the right to what he did, he certainly cannot be described as a loving god. The wrathful and torturous god of the Bible would not be worth worshipping even if he did exist.

Please don't try to justify your lack of Faith in the holy God of the
bible to me anymore.

So essentially, what you're saying is that you cannot counter my points?

I believe your hatred of the righteous God has led to your utter
ignorance.

How so?

You need a pacifier. Please stop crying to me about
your dis-belief.

First, would you consider this attack a means to divert discussion? Second, after I presented a fairly rational case in previous posts, is such an attack really mature of you?

 

[Guest]

First, would you consider this attack a means to divert discussion? Second, after I presented a fairly rational case in previous posts, is such an attack really mature of you?

:smt050 I'm sorry to offend you,but I do have other things that I'd
rather be doing than argue with someone who doesn't believe in The
Holy God of the Bible. I am very flattered that you wish to argue with me
of all the people here on this forum,but right now I have alot of bible study
going on and I'm learning more about other things.
I just don't have time for everything.
Besides,I don't want to argue,I want to grow in the word of God,and be
with my fellow christians. I'm sorry if that seems rude.
I'll debate some more with you at another time if you don't mind.
I don't dislike you,we just happen to be on oposite sides.

 

[harvestmoon]

What are seven deadly sins? Pardon me, but that sounds Catholic. Sin is sin. All sin no matter what the name of it is separation from God. One sin is not great or worse than another sin. It's up to God to decide which sin is worse than another sin. Man cannot decide such, because we are all sinners (Romans 3:23).

 

[Vic C.]

What are seven deadly sins? Pardon me, but that sounds Catholic. Sin is sin. All sin no matter what the name of it is separation from God. One sin is not great or worse than another sin. It's up to God to decide which sin is worse than another sin. Man cannot decide such, because we are all sinners (Romans 3:23).

Very true. But to answer your question...Pride, Greed, Envy, Anger, Lust, Gluttony and Sloth.

Origins

The Seven Deadly Sins never occur as a formal list in the Bible. Some people say they can all be found in Matthew's Gospel (chapters 5 through 7), but they are not in a simple list there.

These sins were identified as a group around the same time as the Bible was being translated into a single language. Rather than these sins being identified in a single place in the Bible, they are found all through it, from Genesis to Revelation. The letters of the New Testament mention all of these, and many others as well. The Catechism has many Scriptural references in the section that lists the "Seven Deadly Sins." It is well to remember that the Scriptures come from the Jewish and Christian Churches, not the other way around. In both cases, faith preceded the writing.

http://www.whitestonejournal.com/seven/index.html

 

[Guest]

:smt115 There are some sins called Abominations,and sin that leads
to death,and sin that does not lead to death
What kind of sin would it be to denie God,or claim that he's not real?
I don't think that is a sin that is taken lightly,because even as bad as
satan is,he does know that God is real,amen.
Satan knows more than an atheist knows.
Look at how patient God has been with all of us,even with satan.
I believe if we turn away from our sin and ask God to forgive us,God
forgives us,and when we talk to God and stay close to him,it makes it
easier for us to confess our sins to The Father,so that we don't carry
all the burdens of them.
Sin is bad,but Oh' God is sooooooo GOOD!!!!