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episcopalians and female pastors

jesus likes women, However his father has decreed that for some unkown reason, They can't serve the same jobs as men.
 
peace4all said:
jesus likes women, However his father has decreed that for some unkown reason, They can't serve the same jobs as men.
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They are the same Person.
 
arg.. It is really hard to make a point to christians, because half believe one thing, the other half believe the other. Fine.

God, after remaking himself as a baby, and then killing himself, and then making himself rise from death into heaven, decided that, Although he liked women, and women always helped him, took him off the cross etc, that they still wouldn't be able to do some of the same jobs as men.
 
Bonsai said:
peace4all said:
jesus likes women, However his father has decreed that for some unkown reason, They can't serve the same jobs as men.
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They are the same Person.
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Amen,

I find it amusing that a person that dosen't believe in either the Father or the Son speaks as though he or she knows either of them...

Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
 
peace4all said:
arg.. It is really hard to make a point to christians, because half believe one thing, the other half believe the other. Fine.

God, after remaking himself as a baby, and then killing himself, and then making himself rise from death into heaven, decided that, Although he liked women, and women always helped him, took him off the cross etc, that they still wouldn't be able to do some of the same jobs as men.
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:sad This response seems like a gut emotional response meant to belittle our beliefs.
 
sorr,y But I have argued this times before. Some agree that jesus is the son of god, and others believe that they are the same person. It waqs a little rude to the half that think jesus and god are the same person, But if i agreed that is true, then I would be mean to the half that don't believe that.
 
peace4all said:
sorr,y But I have argued this times before. Some agree that jesus is the son of god, and others believe that they are the same person. It waqs a little rude to the half that think jesus and god are the same person, But if i agreed that is true, then I would be mean to the half that don't believe that.
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I wasn't talking about the content, I was talking about your tone.

And please, when you talk about any person (especially God and His Son), use Capital Letters. :)
 
peace4all said:
Yes, My tone was a bit sarcastic. I will agree.
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Maybe we all are waiting to see when you are going to follow your signature line. :D

Promote free will. Let everyone decide for themselves, on their own, how they wish to live, what they wish to follow, and respect them
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yes, but christians here, are gettign angry, because some "so called" christians, are giving equal rights to women. and they are saying they are not christian because of it.

I meant that in the way of "do what you want, but don't spite others for doing what they want"

and i know it is sort of hypocritcila of me to become disturbed when someone is spiting others, because then, I am doing the same

AS i agreed to when I became a Reverend

The Universal Life Church has only two tenets (beliefs/doctrine):

• to promote freedom of religion and
• to do that which is right.

It is the responsibility of the individual to determine what is right as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others and is within the law.
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peace4all said:
yes, but christians here, are gettign angry, because some "so called" christians, are giving equal rights to women. and they are saying they are not christian because of it.

I meant that in the way of "do what you want, but don't spite others for doing what they want"

and i know it is sort of hypocritcila of me to become disturbed when someone is spiting others, because then, I am doing the same
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If people do not want the advice and opinions and convictions of others, then they are in the wrong place giving their advice, stating their opinions and convictions publically. Don't you think?
 
p4a,

To be fair, there are other denominations who ordain women like the Methodist Denomination.

My friends go to a UMC and they have a few women "pastors" on staff and my lovely bride went to a wedding where there was a woman doing the ceremony.
 
Well bonsai, that was like, the root of my question

Why can some allow women to be pastors, and others not? It just...

I attended an episcopal church thursday ngiht for their christmas pageant. It was, "interesting" the acting was fun, by the little kids and such. However, the rest of the service, was, well cult-like. However, I do believe that the female pastor there did an EXCELLENT job, she was extremly nice, and actually apologized to me in person for not being able to greet me when I first came in (she was busy making preperations for the ceremony etc)
 
peace4all said:
Well bonsai, that was like, the root of my question

Why can some allow women to be pastors, and others not? It just...

I attended an episcopal church thursday ngiht for their christmas pageant. It was, "interesting" the acting was fun, by the little kids and such. However, the rest of the service, was, well cult-like. However, I do believe that the female pastor there did an EXCELLENT job, she was extremly nice, and actually apologized to me in person for not being able to greet me when I first came in (she was busy making preperations for the ceremony etc)
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You have me curious now. :)

What do you mean cult-like?
 
Why can some allow women to be pastors, and others not?
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Some churches are obedient to God and others are not.

Churches that ordain homo's and women do not have sound doctrine.

2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
 
Bonsai said:
peace4all said:
Well bonsai, that was like, the root of my question

Why can some allow women to be pastors, and others not? It just...

I attended an episcopal church thursday ngiht for their christmas pageant. It was, "interesting" the acting was fun, by the little kids and such. However, the rest of the service, was, well cult-like. However, I do believe that the female pastor there did an EXCELLENT job, she was extremly nice, and actually apologized to me in person for not being able to greet me when I first came in (she was busy making preperations for the ceremony etc)
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You have me curious now. :)

What do you mean cult-like?
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it seemed after each scene in the play, we all had to rise, and we would say soem sort of prayer, and they were all really like "we follow the one and only jesus. Jesus is our savior and lord, we should pray to jesus because it is right" and it was like, chanted,and creepy cult like.
 
peace4all said:
it seemed after each scene in the play, we all had to rise, and we would say soem sort of prayer, and they were all really like "we follow the one and only jesus. Jesus is our savior and lord, we should pray to jesus because it is right" and it was like, chanted,and creepy cult like.
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Have you ever been to a Lutheran church? They, like the Catholics and some others, do some corporate chants on certain prayers and similiar.

Was it like that at all?
 
I am actually trying to find the pamphelet with all of the stuff we said in it.

Now, hymns.. those are ok. SOngs ya. sure, whatever.

But the like, chanting.. (looks for the little booklet) ahh when I find It i will post.. It was just creepy.

I do not believe I have been to a lutheran church, But I have been to a couple catholic mass's and those are.. well, they were more normal seeming than this.

I got alot of funny looks when I "opted out" of communion. I try not to cause controversy in public like that, because I would not want to embarass my aunt, or little cousins or anything. Well, They wouldn't be "embarassed" but everyone would look diffrently on them if they are related to an atheist. People look funny at my mom now, because she allowed me to choose my own path..
 
I got alot of funny looks when I "opted out" of communion.
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That shouldn't be. Even believers are encouraged NOT to partake of this remembrance if they are not right with God.

1 Cor 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1 Cor 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1 Cor 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
 
well yes, the pastor said that only those baptized etc could come up..

However, the reason I was gettign the funny looks, is because my brother and I were the onyl 2 not receiving communion. a majority of the looks came from either the young kids, who didnt perceive this (my little cousins, and their friends) and then from some of the older people (80+)

Some people just don't realize that some people are not religous, or the same religion as them I guess.
 
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