ESP?

[Obadiah]

So in summary, you are saying the Holy Spirit simply uses the 5 senses we already have to speak to us? You kind of lost me. I'm convinced I've been lead by the Holy Spirit a few times in my Christian life, but I never physically felt Him touch me to guide my actions or never audibly heard Him speak to me with a voice like I would hear a human person speaking to me.

 

[Lewis]

Yes, ESP and telekinesis are different things. Telekinesis (if real) is an action you take to cause an effect. ESP is a sense you have that gives you knowledge you wouldn't have sensed through your normal 5 senses. Jesus said with faith we can tell the mountain to move and it will move. If taken literally, this would be telekinesis through the power of God. (We have to be careful because these things can also come from Satan.) ESP could be sensing the Holy Spirit is telling you to go and counsel a person about their drug abuse when you had no earthly way of knowing they were a drug abuser. (Once again, we have to be careful to know it's really the Holy Spirit and not Satan or not simply a mental condition causing this. If the result is that the person really was a drub abuser and your talk with them brought glory to God in some way, then you can rest assured it was the guidance of the Holy Spirit that you perceived.) Over time, a Christian with this gift learns to recognize the subtle difference between sensing the Holy Spirit's guidance and just hearing his own imagination.

Now that was a great post.

 

[eddif]

So in summary, you are saying the Holy Spirit simply uses the 5 senses we already have to speak to us? You kind of lost me. I'm convinced I've been lead by the Holy Spirit a few times in my Christian life, but I never physically felt Him touch me to guide my actions or never audibly heard Him speak to me with a voice like I would hear a human person speaking to me.

I Samuel 3:8-9
Evidently hearing the voice of God is not as strange as we might think. Samuel thought Eli was calling. Perhaps your leading was God speaking according to your belief system.

The touch issue was power leaving Jesus to heal. Jesus felt the power go out. By concept maybe one day you or I might feel the power go out if we have our senses trained. Usually I have too much concept of self of self blocking.

I do not claim to know all about this. My reference was having our senses trained ( a scripture and not just a thought of mine). I just use OT & NT Jewish authors for my thoughts (from the english bible I use---which has no marginal notes). Since I use an English version there are from time to time italics to show verb tense and gender issues that do not appear in English.

I think we should hear from God. Several cranial nerves are used in sight. Does the bible define our senses? Taste the word is one statement. Satan wanted Eve to taste the forbidden fruit. Does taste have two gates (12 pair) and we have to choose which is the reality of knowing God? God evidently smells our prayers (a little strange), but then I am reading Jewish authors again.

eddif

 

[Obadiah]

I Samuel 3:8-9
Evidently hearing the voice of God is not as strange as we might think. Samuel thought Eli was calling.

But I have to question whether or not this was an audible voice of God received through the normal hearing process. This would require the physical ears to pick up the sound, and that sound would have to be physical vibrations in the air for this to work. If this was the case, anyone else nearby with normal hearing ability would hear it also. If this was not the case, then the brain would have to sense God's leading in some other way that didn't come through the normal 5 senses.

Of course, I have to admit what you are saying about the 12 pair of cranial nerves and such is beyond my level of knowledge. I'm probably missing what you are saying because of that.

But you're right, as far as I know the Bible doesn't concern itself with defining our senses. I guess God figured people already knew they could feel, hear, see, etc in the normal ways. But the language of the day also uses metaphor in some places to describe things. Unless it's a translational problem, I'm pretty sure when it talks about things that don't make sense in a literal way, such as tasting a word, that these things are metaphorical.

...Perhaps your leading was God speaking according to your belief system.

Not sure what you mean by this. I don't think God changes the way he does things based on any of our particular personal beliefs. Rather I think our beliefs need to fall in line with the way God does things. Or at least we need to try our best to make them fall in line.

 

[Willie T]

The Bible is just chock-full of examples of believers who had ESP, and operated in several realms we normally do not perceive with our regular 5 senses........ although that "natural" realm, too, was often employed.

 

[Claudya]

It is paranormal powers.To be able to move objects by mental effort.

Oh I can totally do that. If I make a mental effort to move my eyeballs to the left side they will move to the left side. And the entire universe then moves to the right side. :biggrin Am I possessed?

 

[Obadiah]

Oh I can totally do that. If I make a mental effort to move my eyeballs to the left side they will move to the left side. And theentire universe then moves to the right side. :biggrin Am I possessed?

What's your address? I'm sending an exorcist right over!