Eternal Union of Christ and His Children

[savedbygrace57]

Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee !

Ps 2:

7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

The word begotten here is the hebrew yalad :

to bear, bring forth, beget, gender, travail

a) (Qal)

1) to bear, bring forth

a) of child birth

b) of distress (simile)




c) of wicked (behaviour)

2) to beget

b) (Niphal) to be born

c) (Piel)

1) to cause or help to bring forth

2) to assist or tend as a midwife

3) midwife (participle)

d) (Pual) to be born


We know that this psalm is referenced by Paul in applying it to Christ resurrection in acts 13:

33God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.


But it also applies to the many brethren and joint heirs rom 8:

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

His resurrection was the forerunner and guaranteer of the brethren being begotten again by His resurrection 1 pet 1:

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Because we were chosen in Him eph 1:4 set up in Christ from the beginning.

 

[savedbygrace57]

The New Birth and Eternal Union ! -



Jesus said to Nicodemus Jn 3:

3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

And Peter writes 1 pet 1:

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible[seed], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The New Birth as the Old Birth, is only possible, if there was a previous existence in the Head of which that Life existed in, for the Natural Head [ Adam] the Spiritual Head [ Christ].

As in Adam, there had to be a generation and then a birth [ naturally] and in Christ there had to be a re-generation and then birth [ Spiritually] and each birth is alike brought about without the agency of the one being that is born!

The Union we had to have with Adam, is traced back to the garden of eden when God made Man, but the Union we had with Christ, goes back to before the foundation of the world [eph 1:4]. And Just like we had no freewill to put ourselves in Adam, to later be generated, so likewise, we had no freewill to put ourselves in to Christ to be regenerated later, in both cases it was an Sovereign Act of God. We had to be placed into each head by Him, election or of His own choosing.

 

[savedbygrace57]

The precedence of Eternal Uniom



Eternal Union with Jesus Christ has precedence of Faith in Him. No person can savingly believe in Jesus Christ before they have been regenerated, for the living faith [that saves] is the effect of Spiritual life. The dead Faith that James mentions 2:17, 19-20 proceeds from a dead person [ spiritually dead], thats not the faith of eph 2:8, which Faith is resultant of spiritual life, A New Creation, so no unregenerated persons have spiritual life, which means they have no living faith.

 

[savedbygrace57]

So before there could be the imputation of our [ church] sins to the Lord Jesus Christ, or the imputation of His righteousness [ perfect Holiness] to us col 1:

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence

He must be one with us and we one with Him. This blessed Truth is revealed in scripture, and so it is only a previous Divine Union with Him who is Life Eternal, and complete righteousness, who is the head of all principality and power. Heb 2:

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

 

[savedbygrace57]

Contrary to what many religious people believe, Faith is not the beginning of a Union with Christ. The first union begins in Christ and in the eternal decree of God and election. All other unions, such as regeneration and Faith are grounded in the everlasting covenant of Grace whereby God gives us Grace in Christ [in election] before the world began. 2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

There also was in a sense that the elect had a union with the Father before the Father gave them to His Son Jn 17:

6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

So there seems to have been a Union with God the Father, then with the Son [ eternal acts and difficult to explain] before in time when the Holy Ghost through regeneration gives us a experiential union with Christ through Faith in Him.

 

[savedbygrace57]

For a Person to be born, they had to have a seminal existence in the progenitor, i.e For one to have been born physically into this world, they had to be in Adam, all the physical lives of men existed in Adam when He was Created, and consequently in due time the physical life is manifested. The same Principle applies to those who are born spiritually, they had to be in the Spiritual progenitor Christ..

We had to be in Adam to be born of His corruptible seed, likewise we had to be in Christ to be born of His incorruptible seed 1 pet 1:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed[Adam], but of incorruptible[Christ], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Now, how did one get into Adam as His seed ? How did one get into Christ as His seed ?

 

[Jozinky]

We had to be in Adam to be born of His corruptible seed, likewise we had to be in Christ to be born of His incorruptible seed 1 pet 1:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed[Adam], but of incorruptible[Christ], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Correct and until one is born again he is still in Adam and anybody who is in Adam is under wrath and condemnation and is not justified. He's a wicked sinner under the wrath of God.

Jozinky

 

[Jozinky]

The Fact that Men were born into this world physically, by their union by Adam.. all that would populate the earth from the beginning of time until the end, were created in Adam here Gen 1:

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

So when God created Adam, in essence He created every human being that would have physical life, they were in Adam..

This is confirmed from a proper understanding of acts 17:

26And hath made of one blood [Adam] all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

And in Adam ALL men including the e3lect are born under wratgh and condemnation. Anybody who denies that is for sure unregenerate.

Jozinky

 

[savedbygrace57]

joz:

And in Adam ALL men including the e3lect are born under wratgh and condemnation.

Thats a lie, yes the elect are born under sin, and sinners to the worst degree, some of us, but the elect never had their sins charged against them, neither did God condemn them rom 8:


33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died,

And stay on topic, this is about The Eternal Union the elect had with Christ..

 

[savedbygrace57]

Correct and until one is born again he is still in Adam and anybody who is in Adam is under wrath and condemnation and is not justified. He's a wicked sinner under the wrath of God.

Jozinky

The elect, while in Adam, as God's enemy has been reconciled to God by the death of God's Son..rom 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[Jozinky]

Correct and until one is born again he is still in Adam and anybody who is in Adam is under wrath and condemnation and is not justified. He's a wicked sinner under the wrath of God.

Jozinky

The elect, while in Adam, as God's enemy has been reconciled to God by the death of God's Son..rom 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Correct and they were also Saved by His death. But friend, men are neither saved, justidfied nor reconciled until they hear and believe the Gospel. The ~Accomplishment~ of salvation and the ~Application~ of salvation are two separate and distinct truths which you obviously know nothing about because you are confusing and conflating them. salvation was fully Accomplished and all the blessings that go with it by the Death of Christ but are not effective to any of the elect until they are Applied in their lifetime when they come under the sound of the Gospel and repent and believe! Next time you post verse 10 don't omit verse 20!~!!

2Co 5:20 Then on behalf of Christ, we are ambassadors, as God is exhorting through us, we beseech on behalf of Christ, Be reconciled to God.

Which is simoply another way of saying Repent and believe the Gospel. Then and Only then is a person reconciled.

Jozinky

 

[savedbygrace57]

joz:

Correct and until one is born again he is still in Adam and anybody who is in Adam is under wrath and condemnation

The elect are in adam by nature, but they are not condemned, God did not lay any charges on them, but on Christ who died rom 8:

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died,

 

[savedbygrace57]

joz:

2Co 5:20 Then on behalf of Christ, we are ambassadors, as God is exhorting through us, we beseech on behalf of Christ, Be reconciled to God.

Thats the effectual call to those already reconciled to God vs 18

18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

 

[Jozinky]

joz:



Thats the effectual call to those already reconciled to God vs 18

18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

:biglol :toofunny

 

[savedbygrace57]

:biglol :toofunny

I dont know what you laughing about, I just showed you how wrong you are :yes

 

[savedbygrace57]

2 tim 1:9

2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

As Long as Christ Jesus has had a existence, those Chosen in Him before the foundation of the world also Had a representative existence in Him, for thats why paul says Grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began.


Now was Christ Jesus in existence before the World began ? Yes, according to col 1:


14In whom [Christ Jesus] we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

This passage contains the Truth that He was before all things and as such, The Head of the Body the Church..They were one therefore before all things.

Yes, so the chosen had a existence, a life in Him, not a physical life existence as we are now and as we came from Adam, but a seed existence, a spiritual life in Him, and in this sense He is the everlasting Father Isa 9:

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And His going forth is from everlasting mic 5:2, so that in the fulness of time He would come to die for the sins of His seed [people] which had been given a physical life in Adam which did sin. So we have isa 53:

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

To see His seed He had to have a seed ! He and His Seed are One..

 

[Eventide]

You must be speaking of His A D O P T E D children by Jesus Christ... right.. ?

And that's what we're predestined to right.. the ADOPTION of children BY Jesus Christ.. and we know that this is a future event because the whole creation groans (even we who have the firstfruits of the SPIRIT) and is WAITING for the ADOPTION.. to wit, the redemption of our bodies..

We also know that prior to being baptized into Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit (after we believed) that we also walked according to the course of this world, according to the spirit who now works in the children of disobedience.. and were by nature vessels fit for destruction, just as others.. and just as ALL in Adam are under the same condemnation..

 

[Elijah674]

Re: 2 tim 1:9

2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

As Long as Christ Jesus has had a existence, those Chosen in Him before the foundation of the world also Had a representative existence in Him, for thats why paul says Grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began.


Now was Christ Jesus in existence before the World began ? Yes, according to col 1:


14In whom [Christ Jesus] we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

This passage contains the Truth that He was before all things and as such, The Head of the Body the Church..They were one therefore before all things.

Yes, so the chosen had a existence, a life in Him, not a physical life existence as we are now and as we came from Adam, but a seed existence, a spiritual life in Him, and in this sense He is the everlasting Father Isa 9:

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And His going forth is from everlasting mic 5:2, so that in the fulness of time He would come to die for the sins of His seed [people] which had been given a physical life in Adam which did sin. So we have isa 53:

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

To see His seed He had to have a seed ! He and His Seed are One..

What is way past AMAZING is what some 'still' teach for Doctrine of what God has ETERNALLY KNOWN, but not them!

 

[savedbygrace57]

Re: 2 tim 1:9

What is way past AMAZING is what some 'still' teach for Doctrine of what God has ETERNALLY KNOWN, but not them!

Start from the first post and read through.. This is a very important doctrine of the gospel that has been neglected..

 

[savedbygrace57]

More on Eternal Union !



The Gospel of Christ is a Mystery in more ways than one. Normally when He hear that the Gospel is a Mystery, we think of the gentile Mystery as per Eph 3:

4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Which indeed is a gospel Mystery, but also there is the Mystery of Christ and the Church eph 5:

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

And paul says, that this is a great or profound Mystery !

Its connected to the Ideal or Truth of the Union, the Oneness as that of a Husband and Wife as established from the beginning vs

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Now this is important to understand for the Gospel's sake, for this Truth was revealed to paul by revelation Gal 1:

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

This concept of the Great Mystery, and the Relationship Christ has with His Church, the Union, was taught Paul by revelation !

This and the Truth of the gentiles mystery are both relevant in paul opening up His Mouth to proclaim the Mystery of the Gospel Eph 6:


19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,


It is only as God gives us understanding of this Mystery of Christ and His Church, can we understand aright, what it means : That Christ died for our sins" the sins of His Church eph 5:

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

In Light of this, I will set forth Three Particulars of the Eternal Union of Christ and His Church.

We will first Look at the Truth that Christ and His Church are One !