[_ Old Earth _] Evolution does NOT have time on its side

[cd27]

evolution relies on the fact that it took billions of years for everything on this planet to evolve. it doesn't have that many years. without a god, nothing at all would exist. i ask a question, "how did matter get here if there was no god to put it here in the firt place?" evolutionists answer, "it was converted to matter from energy." my answer, "but that's only a manipulation of something that already existed, HOW did matter get here if there was no god to put it here in the first place?" another answer they gave me, "i don't know"......."what, i can't hear you."........."i don't know" great, perfect answer. they don't know. i do. simple answer. God put it there. then, if you read my Inol theory, the section where it talks about the absolute theory, it shows that god also had to be present to START the big bang. and then this leads up to earth being created, and this all happened in six days by the way, or maybe 5, i don't know for sure, but evolution never happened. if it did, it certainly didn't take millions of years to happen.

take a fish. this fish just flops on land, oops, now the fish can't breath on land, so what's it gonna do? oh oww! it's gonna grow lungs and fly away, with it's new found wings...now where in th genetic code does it allow that kind of change at? first of all, that fish would ahve died within an hour, it woouldn't be able to survive on land long enough for any mutation to occur. the same goes for a fish who decides to grow lungs in the water. it will die within about an hour. these evolutionists just say some wacky stuff don't they?

some peopel have told me, well, frogs have gills to begin with, then they have lungs......then i add to them, all this happened very quickly, not in millions of years. and plus, it's writting in EVERY frog's genetic code, this means it happens to every frog, from day one, to day X. so, if we came from apes, we should be apes when we're born first, then we should convert to humans...somehow i am amzed that i'm not born as an ape. wow, isn't that interesting?

it can NOT take millions of years for something to evolve, the changes are not that slow. they would have to move much much faster to work at all. then, it would have to be part of the genetic code in order to work. last time i checked, i'm not born a monkey first then convert to a human a few days afterwards. here, let me describe this to you with a frog. frogs, they are water amphibions at first, tehn they go on the land and have lungs. how is that? oh that's proof for evolution!....no. not quite. first off, the change happens within days, not years, second, it is written in the frog's genetic code to change from gills to lungs. this means, they are born with one, thn convert to the other, rather quickly. this is all the proof you need to realize that evolution is a phony. so how can you believe in both if evolution is a lie? you can't. creationism is the onl true way. as for god's time not being the same as ours, i agree on that, to an extent. god is not ruled by time AT ALL, a day to him fluctuates compared to a day to us. one "day" it could be 24 hours, then the next it could be thousands of years, whichever he chooses. the time it took god to create this entire galaxy, was six days, six of our days. here, read this article.

http://www.drdino.com/QandA/index.jsp?v ... ssible.jsp

also, stars are not "billions of light years away". even if they were, there would be no way for us to tell it, as we don't have time travel technology do we? here, read this article as well, it will tell you why.

http://www.drdino.com/QandA/index.jsp?v ... rsAway.jsp

how much more proof do you need to know that evolution is a phony? there is more proof for creationism than tehre is for evolution.

infact, dinosaurs existed the same time man did. they stood side by side all the time. they have fossils to prove it. except, back then, tehy didn't call them "dinosaurs", they called them leviathans, sepants, dragons, things like that. these are the dinosaurs that you find in the dirt all teh time. i have one question for you. even if evolution is true, we should see LIVING creatures from the lower chain of evolution, not DEAD creatures. if they can survive long enough to reproduce, then so should the other ones. but instead, we find dead ones. and only one of them at that! even if you think that god started evolution, that's wrong, evolution is wrong, creationism is right. the earth is not 4.5 billion years old, it is roughly around 6,000-10,000 years of age. nothing less, nothing more. the creation of that took six days, max. six 24-hour-period-DAYS.you don't believe me, go to the web site http://www.drdino.com, look for the science tab, then articles, then creation Vs. evolution, then look for the topic "physics shows how six day creation is possible". after you finnish reading that, all you can say is, "well, i don't think that our galaxy is the center of the universe, so it must be wrong" and why would that be? you throw out factual evidence because you "think" it must be wrong? not very scientific. then, to back up another remark, you can go to that same site, go to the science tab, then articles, then physics, then the topic "star not billions of light years away". i agree with that, but i also have my very own idea to add to it. when the big bang exploded, it didn't take billions of light years to get to where it's at, it took some 6,000 years. that's it. how does any other "evidence" you know of show that evolution is right...with all the topics and ideas that i have given you, real evidences, can your evidence overthrow mine? if so, i want to see it. then i will decide if it overthrows anything or not.


there is all the evidence i have posted in teh last few days...(moderators, i'm sorry for double posting, but i felt that all this information needed to be in one spot for everyone to read without jum,ping from one place to another, please forgive me)

 

[ThinkerMan]

Yes. I STILL believe. While I appreciate your efforts, your arguments are some of the worst I've read. No offense.

cd....just a few points.

1. Please proofread your post before submitting. They are almost impossible to read. Use the "enter" key from time to time to delineate your thoughts into paragraphs. You have all but overtaken this forum lately with long, rambling thoughts that are difficult to read, let alone respond. Type it in "Word" first, spell check, then cut and paste if you have to.

2. Make only 2-3 points to a post, and make them clear. This allows people to better respond.

3. Please don't post to old threads that are over a week or two old. It only muddles up the forum.

We're glad to have you here, but your making it difficult for people to engage you in debate due to your posting tactics.

 

[cd27]

there are paragraphs, do you want MORE paragraphs? why do only one or two points at a time? it wouldn't matter if i made four or even five points, the idea of the forum is to post your ideas, if someone is too lazy to read something, then it's not my fault.

you can call this the best or the worst attempt to disprove evolution all you want, it's still a better chance than i've seen you do. and by the way, it is one man's opinion.

 

[cubedbee]

evolution relies on the fact that it took billions of years for everything on this planet to evolve.

Correct

it doesn't have that many years.

So you assert with absolutely no evidence. The vast majority of scientists disagree

without a god, nothing at all would exist.

Another assertain you can't back up

i ask a question, "how did matter get here if there was no god to put it here in the firt place?" evolutionists answer, "it was converted to matter from energy." my answer, "but that's only a manipulation of something that already existed, HOW did matter get here if there was no god to put it here in the first place?" another answer they gave me, "i don't know"......."what, i can't hear you."........."i don't know" great, perfect answer. they don't know. i do. simple answer. God put it there.

How did God get there? If God can somehow be eternal, then so can matter/energy.
[/quote]then, if you read my Inol theory, the section where it talks about the absolute theory, it shows that god also had to be present to START the big bang. [/quote]Your theory might be somewhat interesting, but it is not science, and doesn't show anything.

and then this leads up to earth being created, and this all happened in six days by the way, or maybe 5, i don't know for sure, but evolution never happened. if it did, it certainly didn't take millions of years to happen.

So far I'm done with one paragraph, and you've neither presented any factual evidence nor made a logical argument.

take a fish. this fish just flops on land, oops, now the fish can't breath on land, so what's it gonna do?

What kind of fish? The snakehead can breath air just fine and can drag itself from one body of water to another.

oh oww! it's gonna grow lungs and fly away, with it's new found wings...now where in th genetic code does it allow that kind of change at? first of all, that fish would ahve died within an hour, it woouldn't be able to survive on land long enough for any mutation to occur. the same goes for a fish who decides to grow lungs in the water. it will die within about an hour. these evolutionists just say some wacky stuff don't they?

Either you are purposely misrepresenting evolution, or you are entirely ignorant of how it works.

some peopel have told me, well, frogs have gills to begin with, then they have lungs......then i add to them, all this happened very quickly, not in millions of years. and plus, it's writting in EVERY frog's genetic code, this means it happens to every frog, from day one, to day X. so, if we came from apes, we should be apes when we're born first, then we should convert to humans...somehow i am amzed that i'm not born as an ape. wow, isn't that interesting?

it can NOT take millions of years for something to evolve, the changes are not that slow. Evolution is an ongoing process. There is no endpoint. Things are continually evolving, and from our human observations, we know that speciation is certainly a relatively slow and rare process.
they would have to move much much faster to work at all. then, it would have to be part of the genetic code in order to work. last time i checked, i'm not born a monkey first then convert to a human a few days afterwards. here, let me describe this to you with a frog. frogs, they are water amphibions at first, tehn they go on the land and have lungs. how is that? oh that's proof for evolution!....no. not quite. first off, the change happens within days, not years, second, it is written in the frog's genetic code to change from gills to lungs. this means, they are born with one, thn convert to the other, rather quickly.

This is such garbage, I can't even address it.

Out of time for now.

 

[cd27]

there is evidence there, i gave links to other web sites that give you all the evidence you need. i think you need to read more.

 

[ThinkerMan]

why do only one or two points at a time? it wouldn't matter if i made four or even five points, the idea of the forum is to post your ideas, if someone is too lazy to read something, then it's not my fault.

All I was trying to do was give some friendly advice on how to make your posts more cogent to solicit greater input. If you don't present your arguments in a readable fashion, it IS your fault.

how does any other "evidence" you know of show that evolution is right...with all the topics and ideas that i have given you, real evidences, can your evidence overthrow mine? if so, i want to see it. then i will decide if it overthrows anything or not.

It's quite remarkable that all the "evidence" for a young earth can fit neatly on any web page. All the YEC pages have the same 10-15 pieces of "evidence" pointing towards a young earth. None of these are new, and evolutionists like myself have seen them all before.

This creationist site neatly discusses the more crack-pot pieces of evidence.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/ar ... nt_use.asp

On the other hand, it would be quite impossible for me to post all the evidence supporting evolution. To make such a webpage or to post the evidence would be a herculean task. Quite simply, the OVERWHELMING evidence points to evolution and an old earth. This is a fact even creationists admit to.

 

[destiny]

On the other hand, it would be quite impossible for me to post all the evidence supporting evolution

Yes it would considering all you would still have left is a "theory" isn't it?

 

[cd27]

Thank you for saying my point destiny. :d I never once said that this was ALL the evidence I have, I simply said it's all the evidence I wished to post for now. But if you want more, I can give you much much more, probably to the same degree as you may give me evidence on evolution. So where does that leave us? Two theories, based on faith and bits and pieces of evidence.

I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe, no matter how much "evidence" I show you, or you show me, we can agree on one thing, none of it makes any difference does it? Because neither of us will change our minds. I will say one thing. To prove creationism is to prove HOW God does the things he does.

Last time I checked, we couldn't figure out how to create mater, and then made a simply stupid "law" stating that it can never be done, simply because no one, at least human, can do it..yet. To prove creation, to prove God, is to think like God himself. Not BE God, but THINK like GOD. It says in the bible that God SPOKE things into existence. Why speak? Why did he not just sit down and build it by hand?

Because speaking is a much quicker way of doing things. You think my theory shows nothing...you are very wrong my friend, you are not thinking like God when you read it...IF you read it at all. Did you even read my theory? Did you even read the theory of jellotivity? Did you read my post on the other forum, "space and time travel with the mind"? I’ll bet you never even glanced at it. Until you take the time to read other's material, DON'T open your mouth and claim that what they speak is nothing.

My theory has proof to it. So does jellotivity. My theory is an add-on to jellotivity, and so then it contains all of the proofs within jellotivity as well. These two theories combined are very great and powerful theories, but you do not take the time to read them, instead you sit back and mock the men who took their own great time to device them, how senseless.

Read those theories, they show EXACTLY "how" matter is created. And then my theory, which contains the “law†of illusionistic creation, shows why the "law" stating that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed is so stupid. Only God can make matter and energy, because only God has the knowledge to do so. Just because you are lost in the dark because of your own stupidity doesn't mean that it is not possible.

EVERYTHING is possible. Maybe inevitable, but never impossible. Did you ever read on exactly HOW I think? Try thinking like that for one single day. Just one day, the complete day, I want to see if you can even do that. If you can't take up these challenges, then who can trust that your "evidences" that are just so long, bull, are even valid?

 

[Barbarian]

Eric, you do understand that fish had lungs long before there were any land animals, don't you? A few still have them, although in most fish they are now adapted as bouyancy organs.

 

[Arnold Philips]

Thank you for saying my point destiny. :d I never once said that this was ALL the evidence I have, I simply said it's all the evidence I wished to post for now. But if you want more, I can give you much much more, probably to the same degree as you may give me evidence on evolution. So where does that leave us? Two theories, based on faith and bits and pieces of evidence.

I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe, no matter how much "evidence" I show you, or you show me, we can agree on one thing, none of it makes any difference does it? Because neither of us will change our minds.

Exactly, you can gather up all your little crackpot evidences to show us and we can show you all our studies and hard work, but where does this leave us? We both have evidence, so who is right? What is important is if one of our theories is disproven. Sorry to say, but creationism was disproven a long time ago.

I will say one thing. To prove creationism is to prove HOW God does the things he does.

Evolution does the same thing, except better. Theologically, the God of evolution is active and living and directs His creation daily through natural selection, whereas the God of creationism did a little magic trick a long time ago and left it alone. The God of evolution is much more impressive to me.

Last time I checked, we couldn't figure out how to create mater, and then made a simply stupid "law" stating that it can never be done, simply because no one, at least human, can do it..yet. To prove creation, to prove God, is to think like God himself. Not BE God, but THINK like GOD. It says in the bible that God SPOKE things into existence. Why speak? Why did he not just sit down and build it by hand?

Because speaking is a much quicker way of doing things. You think my theory shows nothing...you are very wrong my friend, you are not thinking like God when you read it...IF you read it at all. Did you even read my theory? Did you even read the theory of jellotivity? Did you read my post on the other forum, "space and time travel with the mind"? I’ll bet you never even glanced at it. Until you take the time to read other's material, DON'T open your mouth and claim that what they speak is nothing.

My theory has proof to it. So does jellotivity. My theory is an add-on to jellotivity, and so then it contains all of the proofs within jellotivity as well. These two theories combined are very great and powerful theories, but you do not take the time to read them, instead you sit back and mock the men who took their own great time to device them, how senseless.

Read those theories, they show EXACTLY "how" matter is created. And then my theory, which contains the “law†of illusionistic creation, shows why the "law" stating that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed is so stupid. Only God can make matter and energy, because only God has the knowledge to do so. Just because you are lost in the dark because of your own stupidity doesn't mean that it is not possible.

EVERYTHING is possible. Maybe inevitable, but never impossible. Did you ever read on exactly HOW I think? Try thinking like that for one single day. Just one day, the complete day, I want to see if you can even do that. If you can't take up these challenges, then who can trust that your "evidences" that are just so long, bull, are even valid?

Sorry, I think I've seen enough of your posts and reasoning to discard your theories before seeing them. And "jellotivity" doesn't really sound scientific to me, but that's just my bias.

 

[victorhadin]

You seem to have some strange idea that evolution happens as some form of metamorphosis within the lifespan of a single creature.

Please stop watching Pokemon.

 

[cd27]

jellotivity is a name, never judge a book by it's cover, that shows exactly how "unscientific" you are.

 

[cd27]

ok guys, i think i've met my match, i'm gonna go back and do some more studying. but tell me the truth, for "not knowing what evolution is" i still put up a good fight, didn't i? lol

 

[Barbarian]

Not knowing what you're talking about is a definite handicap.

 

[Arnold Philips]

ok guys, i think i've met my match, i'm gonna go back and do some more studying. but tell me the truth, for "not knowing what evolution is" i still put up a good fight, didn't i? lol

How can it even be qualified as fighting evolution when you didn't even address it?

 

[Quath]

"HOW did matter get here if there was no god to put it here in the first place?"

I think you have to be careful with this logic. You can easily use this same logic to say "How did God get here if there was no god to put Him here in the first place?"

As for where the matter and energy came from, it appears to me that gravity/space is similar to negative matter/energy. So if you "sum" everything up in the universe, you get nothing. So before the universe there was "nothing" there is still "nothing" but it just looks different.

Quath

 

[reznwerks]

evolution relies on the fact that it took billions of years for everything on this planet to evolve. it doesn't have that many years.
Why not? The earth is estimated to be several billion years old. The universe is much older than that and that is only our universe as their are others. Out of an estimated 5 billion years man in his present form has only been here about a million years and I use present form very loosely. Man is not decended from apes, man is a species unto himself.


without a god, nothing at all would exist. i ask a question, "how did matter get here if there was no god to put it here in the firt place?" evolutionists answer, "it was converted to matter from energy." my answer, "but that's only a manipulation of something that already existed, HOW did matter get here if there was no god to put it here in the first place?" another answer they gave me, "i don't know"......."what, i can't hear you."........."i don't know" great, perfect answer. they don't know. i do. simple answer. God put it there. \

Just because man does not have all the answers does not default that a God is responsible. It is possible that man may never have an answer to all of lifes questions. Again that does not mean a God is in back of it.
take a fish. this fish just flops on land, oops, now the fish can't breath on land, so what's it gonna do? oh oww! it's gonna grow lungs and fly away, with it's new found wings...now where in th genetic code does it allow that kind of change at? first of all, that fish would ahve died within an hour, it woouldn't be able to survive on land long enough for any mutation to occur. the same goes for a fish who decides to grow lungs in the water. it will die within about an hour. these evolutionists just say some wacky stuff don't they?
I will use your own theological beliefs to answer you. In the bible it says that the mind cannot conceive what wonders await the true believer. In this same sense your mind cannot concieve of things just being because they are. It just is and it just happened. We may not ever know why.

some peopel have told me, well, frogs have gills to begin with, then they have lungs......then i add to them, all this happened very quickly, not in millions of years. and plus, it's writting in EVERY frog's genetic code, this means it happens to every frog, from day one, to day X. so, if we came from apes, we should be apes when we're born first, then we should convert to humans...somehow i am amzed that i'm not born as an ape. wow, isn't that interesting?
You don't understand what evolution is. Secondly we have enough fossils to make the claim that evolution exists. In fact just about every scientist familiar with evolution accepts evolution as fact. They may not all agree as to the process but the results are overwhelmingly accepted. I have yet to see any "creationist" scientist present any evidence to support their beliefs scientifically in any respected scientific journal.

it can NOT take millions of years for something to evolve, the changes are not that slow. they would have to move much much faster to work at all. then, it would have to be part of the genetic code in order to work. last time i checked, i'm not born a monkey first then convert to a human a few days afterwards. here, let me describe this to you with a frog. frogs, they are water amphibions at first, tehn they go on the land and have lungs. how is that? oh that's proof for evolution!....no. not quite. first off, the change happens within days, not years, second, it is written in the frog's genetic code to change from gills to lungs. this means, they are born with one, thn convert to the other, rather quickly. this is all the proof you need to realize that evolution is a phony. so how can you believe in both if evolution is a lie? you can't. creationism is the onl true way. as for god's time not being the same as ours, i agree on that, to an extent. god is not ruled by time AT ALL, a day to him fluctuates compared to a day to us. one "day" it could be 24 hours, then the next it could be thousands of years, whichever he chooses. the time it took god to create this entire galaxy, was six days, six of our days. here, read this article.

You have a degree in what field? Really if you don't believe in evolution do you at least read the newspapers? If so do you recall the stories of influenza (flu) viruses and how they mutate each year requiring the drug companies to change drugs to fight the new strains as they change every year? Well this is evolution right before your eyes. Do you deny it now?


also, stars are not "billions of light years away". even if they were, there would be no way for us to tell it, as we don't have time travel technology do we? here, read this article as well, it will tell you why.
Right, and the entire scientific community is wrong and this guy is right? Scientists have been making all kinds of discoveries and proving and disproving all kinds of hypothesis but this guy says they are all wrong. If he was right why isn't his work published in any scientific journal? Do you realize if this was true he would set the scientific community on its ear? Do you really think that scientists don't know how to measure the distance of stars and the light they emit? As for the rest ofyour articles this guy is not using any scientific evidence he is using the bible .


how much more proof do you need to know that evolution is a phony? there is more proof for creationism than tehre is for evolution.
Sorry but this is a plain out and out fallacy and all you need to do is pick up a science book.

infact, dinosaurs existed the same time man did. they stood side by side all the time. they have fossils to prove it. except, back then, tehy didn't call them "dinosaurs", they called them leviathans, sepants, dragons, things like that.
LOL That hoax has been put to rest years ago. That was propogated by the ICR which is know for false claims. Instead of me reposting all the info you need to know here is a link that should keep you busy for some time if you really want to know the truth.

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/answ ... enesis.htm

 

[Guest]

:D Evolution not only doesn't have time on it's side,it has nothing
on it's side,amen. It doesn't have science,and it doesn't have proof,all
it could even claim to have if anything are those with an agenda.
http://evolution-facts.org/Brain%20Police.htm

 

[Guest]

here is a good place to read up on the facts.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re ... sp?ID=2670