[__ Science __ ] Evolution Is a Scientific Law?

[Consecrated Life]

Only that he was made from the Earth as God says other animals were.

The earth is natural, after all. God uses natural means for most everything in this world. Why not? That's what He created things for.

You specified "conception" as in Adam having male & female parents accounting for Adam's evolutionary style creation.
I would consider that to be called the "natural" method , rather than the "poof" style you characterized previously .
The "poof" style creation detailed in scripture which could more accurately as described as Supernatural .
Just to define the two differing beliefs one from the other.

 

[Consecrated Life]

The fact that there arises numerous key spiritual invalidations in God's Word from the Christain standpoint in making the claim of natural birth that need to be delt with from a Christian standpoint was the point of my question after all .
In example going forward in the first God breathed soul by " Evolutionary Birth " of Adam theology , that would mean that by definition the parents of Adam were Soulless creatures correct ?

All animals have souls.

I've never read a scripture for that .
Can you cite One ?

 

[Barbarian]

I've never read a scripture for that .
Can you cite One ?

Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

In Hebrew, the words "nephesh" and "hayyah" are used, just as they are for the life given to Adam.

This is also the wording in Genesis 1:24.

And I never thought of it before, but in Isaiah, wheren the prophet speaks of the coming Kingdom of God:

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb: and the leopard shall lie down with the kid: the calf and the lion, and the sheep shall abide together, and a little child shall lead them.

This clearly speaks that animals will exist in that spiritual realm. So yes.

 

[Barbarian]

You specified "conception" as in Adam having male & female parents accounting for Adam's evolutionary style creation.
I would consider that to be called the "natural" method , rather than the "poof" style you characterized previously .
The "poof" style creation detailed in scripture which could more accurately as described as Supernatural .
Just to define the two differing beliefs one from the other.

Remember that we are all produced naturally and supernaturally. Our physical bodies are produced naturally, but our souls are given directly by God.

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in my heart concerning the sons of men, that God would prove them, and shew them to be like beasts. 19 Therefore the death of man, and of beasts is one, and the condition of them both is equal: as man dieth, so they also die: all things breathe alike, and man hath nothing more than beast: all things are subject to vanity.

 

[Barbarian]

There is no mention Adam being "naturally born" in scripture either ?

Yes. Not everything that is true, is in scriptures.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

In Hebrew, the words "nephesh" and "hayyah" are used, just as they are for the life given to Adam.

This is also the wording in Genesis 1:24.

And I never thought of it before, but in Isaiah, wheren the prophet speaks of the coming Kingdom of God:

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb: and the leopard shall lie down with the kid: the calf and the lion, and the sheep shall abide together, and a little child shall lead them.

This clearly speaks that animals will exist in that spiritual realm. So yes.

I don't see the word "soul" here .

 

[Consecrated Life]

Yes. Not everything that is true, is in scriptures.

Yes so then it would be true that the mother of and father of Adam the first human to have a soul given to him by God had no chance for eternal life .

 

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[Barbarian]

Yes so then it would be true that the mother of and father of Adam the first human to have a soul given to him by God had no chance for eternal life .

We actually have no idea one way or the other.

 

[Barbarian]

I don't see the word "soul" here .

Same words God used for Adam.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Yes so then it would be true that the mother of and father of Adam the first human to have a soul given to him by God had no chance for eternal life .

We actually have no idea one way or the other.

Why no idea ?
There are only two biblical choices .
From just two possibilities it should not be difficult to have some "idea"
Thinking about the only two options the scripture gives for where eternity will be spent , including the criteria for admission to both eternal abodes, if you are going to lean hard to the idea that the soulless father and mother of Adam have eternal life even a nominal Christian has a 50 / 50 shot of having some idea of the more likely of the two where Adam's parents will be for eternity .
So without their having a soul to begin with where does your Christian understanding tell you the most likely place God would have them go forever , heaven or hell ?

 

[Barbarian]

Why no idea ?

Because God never told us.

Thinking about the only two options the scripture gives for where eternity will be spent , including the criteria for admission to both eternal abodes, if you are going to lean hard to the idea that the soulless father and mother of Adam have eternal life even a nominal Christian has a 50 / 50 shot of having some idea of the more likely of the two where Adam's parents will be for eternity .

He never told us that, either.

So without their having a soul to begin with where does your Christian understanding tell you the most likely place God would have them go forever , heaven or hell ?

Where do animals go after death, if they don't have the living soul God gave Adam and Eve and their descendants? He doesn't say.

 

[Barbarian]

What I hate about it is something every Bible-believing Christian should hate. I hate it when we have to publicly oppose, debate, and challenge sincere Christians

You don't have to do that, Ken. You can just accept that YECs and other Christians are brothers and sisters in Christ, and their differences are not salvation issues, unless one makes an idol of one's own interpretation, and insists that good Christians must believe that interpretation.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Why no idea ?
There are only two biblical choices .
From just two possibilities it should not be difficult to have some "idea"
Thinking about the only two options the scripture gives for where eternity will be spent , including the criteria for admission to both eternal abodes, if you are going to lean hard to the idea that the soulless father and mother of Adam have eternal life even a nominal Christian has a 50 / 50 shot of having some idea of the more likely of the two where Adam's parents will be for eternity .
So without their having a soul to begin with where does your Christian understanding tell you the most likely place God would have them go forever , heaven or hell ?

Because God never told us.


He never told us that, either.


Where do animals go after death, if they don't have the living soul God gave Adam and Eve and their descendants? He doesn't say.

God did tell us with a great deal of certainty the specific criteria for the two eternal estates ?

 

[Barbarian]

God did tell us with a great deal of certainty the specific criteria for the two eternal estates ?

Scripture says there will be animals in heaven, so there is that.

 

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[Consecrated Life]

Scripture says there will be animals in heaven, so there is that.

If you are referring to the passage in Isaiah it is not referring to heaven .
What it speaks to specifically is to the period of the Kingdom on earth when Christ defeats His enemies & rules the earth from the "Holy Mountain" of Jerusalem and the earth is returned to the state God originally made it .
Heaven not having an earth or a sea by the way.
Having prayed for this coming Kingdom on earth yourself I would think you should be aware of this .

Isa 11:1-9
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots.....

But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked......

And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.......

And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

 

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