You said, "If we don't see or understand it. Then it isn't science. It's just assertions."
Nope, you are misrepresenting what I am saying. I said that if you can't demonstrate or back up your claim. It isn't science. Science is a tool used to understand the world around us. How science works is observations are tested and observed. An assertion that doesn't come from either observation or any means of which to test for, is not science.
The Oxford American College Dictionary says science is, "a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject"
Yes dictionaries are nice to help give a general idea of what something is in common language, but not great at giving detailed information. Many dictionaries define Christianity as just a system of belief centered around Jesus. However any Christian will tell you that its way more then that.
I say that just because man hasn't discoverd it yet DOESN'T mean that it doesn't exist. If what you say is true then gravity never existed before that day the apple fell on Neuton's head, plants and humans had no DNA, and etc.
I'm going to cut out a lot of the misrepresentation and break it down to the simplest argument. Just because something is possible, doesn't mean its probable. If a concept exists, but the evidence is lacking, then until the evidence is strong enough to support the claim, its just that, a claim. You can claim a god exists. That doesn't mean its science, because we'd have test and define what a God is. The god would have to have specific traits.
You are so full of just what I am pointing out.
Hardly. You have not asked me any questions to clarify why I accept the Theory of Evolution. Yet you are making projections of why I accept it. That makes you incredibly dishonest, and tells me you don't actually care about the discussion, but just establishing a predesignated sermon.
You embrace evolution with such an unscientific subjective perspective
You never asked, nor have I given my perspective. What you are doing is projection.
that when presented with contradictory data instead of showing consideration you immediately proceed to labeling it as propaganda
First, you didn't show any data against the theory of evolution. You linked me to sites from Christian ministries about Humanism. I did explain why its propaganda. I even asked you if you had anything else for the conversation. I even read the articles. Do you wish to discuss Evolution, or pretend to be a victim?
or ignorant or unbelievable and such.
I never said that, stop being dishonest.
A true scientist is interested in finding truth and open-minded and objective. You show clearly that you are not.
How would you know without actually asking me any direct questions?
He is my cousin. And he is/was VERY intellegent. And what he said is just what I told you.
So what? Unless you can demonstrate what you are saying, it doesn't matter what credentials you claim this person has. Its called put up or shut up. People who spend a lot of time saying they are important without demonstrating it, usually aren't that important.
We become MORE ignorant and aware of God the more we learn. For example, (my example, not his) we learn about centrifiacal force and momentum and friction and entropy and that unlike charges gavitate towards each other, but the last I knew, when all those forces affects upon a spinning elctron are contemplated noone was/is able to explain why the negatively charged electrons aren't pulled inward to an atomic collapse by the positively charged protron and why they don't spin in an ever-increasing orbit diameter around the nucleus by the centrifical force of their mass until the atom explodes/whatever and why the entropy and friction don't significantly slow the electron down to some significant impact on the atom or what in the heaven is creating a perfect balance of all of these forces upon the electron in order to sustain its orbit. Now we have/had many more complex questions created; more ignorace from less from learning..
Yet, none of that means there is a god. You are free to believe so. Yet this doesn't actually provide evidence of a God existing or not existing. I'm of the position of not being convinced.
The theory of Evolution is not a religion. Its a collection of observed facts used to make experiments, models, and predictions. Same as the theories of gravity, germs, relativity, etc. They are just tools used to help understand the world around us.
The theory of Evolution does not offer what religions offer, as in a way to live life. Its just observations of life. If you are actually interested in what I really think then ask. Stop boxing people into made up religions and concentrate on actually trying to reach them. You do come off as ignorant though, not because you believe in creation, but because you immediately went into classifying me based on very little information. You sound rehearsed and dishonest.
I'll say that this is one of the biggest mistakes of the modern church. It spends less time trying to understand those it wishes to convert, and more time trying to divide and create enemies.
