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Are you saying you are a cat? Honestly, what I'm saying is genetically and anatomically we are part of the great apes and hominid line. Saying you're made in image of god may sound like a fun catch phrase, but it doesn't make the facts that humans share most of our DNA with chimps. We also share a lot of social and anatomical similarities with other great apes.Let's see...
I'm made in God's image....
Are you saying that God is a great ape?
You calling me a great ape does change things.Are you saying you are a cat? Honestly, what I'm saying is genetically and anatomically we are part of the great apes and hominid line. Saying you're made in image of god may sound like a fun catch phrase, but it doesn't make the facts that humans share most of our DNA with chimps. We also share a lot of social and anatomical similarities with other great apes.
This also doesn't even address why its good or bad of why there is a relation. It shouldn't even matter if we are related. Whether or not you are related to monkies and descended from old world monkeys doesn't change anything.
Let's see...
I'm made in God's image....
Are you saying that God is a great ape?
You are taking your opinion of the science of evolution and calling it fact.
And when those facts change, as they always do, you will ignore you were wrong and continue with your worldly beliefs.
This is a christian forum, and coming on here and calling christians great apes is out of order.
You should reconsider how you address people around here or I will have to take the appropriate action against you.
How exactly?You calling me a great ape does change things.
Its not my opinion. Its about 150+ years of observation and recording. Hardly opinion.You are taking your opinion of the science of evolution and calling it fact.
Consideirng you didn't mention any changed fact, I don't think you really understand the current understanding of modern evolutionary theory.And when those facts change, as they always do, you will ignore you were wrong and continue with your worldly beliefs.
Its not out of order, considering that is exactly how humans are classified by phylogeny. Its not derogatory.This is a christian forum, and coming on here and calling christians great apes is out of order.
Well, I could technically report you because its against the tos to threaten other posters publically. However, I'm adult that doesn't have to use underhanded tactics and threats to harass people on the internet.You should reconsider how you address people around here or I will have to take the appropriate action against you.
Are you saying that God has toenails, and nostrils, and ears? Scripture says that God is a spirit and that a spirit has no body. The "image" is not your physical body, but rather in your mind and soul. God is not a physical entity.
It is a fact. He's quite correct. Indeed, you would be unable to show anything physical in humans that is not present to some degree in other apes.
Science requires that one be willing to drop any theory in favor of one that better describes reality. But it's very unlikely, given the mass of evidence, that we'd be reclassified into some other group.
Our bodies are those of great apes. Our souls are given directly by God. Are you your body or your soul?
It won't do much good to rail against reality.
I think many Christians have the impression that evolution is used by non Christian scientist and atheist to prove that there is no God. So they automatically think that big bang=no God and with God=no evolution/big bang. I personally get this impression from scientist and atheist I read or hear about but I have no idea if this represents the majority. Personally I just believe in creation. I don't know enough about evolution to know if I believe it or not. I would like to hear a non evolutionist explain if there is any scripture that contradicts what evolution says about the way God created us.
You said it was a fact,
and then concede that it is possible for the theory to change (just unlikely).
Don't confuse your interpretation of the data as fact.
Maybe try to be more objective, and not so blatantly ignorant?
Scratch that, ignorance is bliss! Isn't it?!
Again, I am not surprised. Your posts seem to be consistent of your character.
Disappointed to say the least, especially since you are an "expert."
We all understand how you see the data, but the logical fallacies aren't fooling anyone.
Just keeping you honest my friend. ;)
Are you sure that's what you want? There is plenty of scripture that supports creation.
The debate isn't much about the scripture, but the words that compose them. People either argue that certain passages are metaphorical (like the 6 day creation account),
There are many passages someone could use, but here is two of them.
It takes a little bit of imagination and a moving of words to take the passages differently.
Directly observed. Can't get much more factual than that.
Yep. You've confused the observed phenomenon with the theory that explains it. Huge difference there.
See above. There is a difference between a phenomenon and the theory that explains it. This is a tough thing for some to understand, if they aren't familiar with science.
Funny how we never realize it applies to us, isn't it?
Less so, if you know you're ignorant.
Well, thank you.
I don't remember describing myself as an expert. I'm reluctant to conclude you faked it; but perhaps you can show that I did. If so, now would be a good time for you to do that.
For the same reason orange leprechauns don't fool anyone. Unless you can find one of those "logical fallacies" for us.
Funny you should say that. Show us those things, if you would.
Even creationists accept creation. They just don't approve of the way God did it.
There's that problem with mornings and evenings, with no sun to have them. Pretty much rules out any literal meaning for "yom" (sometimes meaning "days", sometimes meaning "eons", sometimes meaning "when I was younger" , and so on.
Romans 5:12 - "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—"
I don't see how that rules out God's creation. Evolution does not rule out common ancestry of humans. And as God makes clear in Genesis, the "death" is spiritual, not physical.
Mark 10:6 - "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."
Notice that from the beginning of the creation of the Earth, neither male nor female were present, according to God. But of course from the beginning of the creation of mankind, there were male and female.
Hence the creationist reworking of God's word in the examples above, to make them more acceptable.
-I think you don't quite understand the point I made.
I was pointing the distinction between fact, and the interpretation of the fact.
Citing that you found it possible that the interpretation can change.
That's all I needed to see.
-Even worse, a complete denial of ignorance.
Slander is a serious thing.
I am not sure what exactly is fake (looking back I never said you were one), but that is a serious statement to make(and not a very smart one to make).
You went from alluding to a 40 year 'expert' tone,
to an appeal to ignorance.
I don't know, maybe I could come up with a graph to illustrate that to you?
Look up Argumentum ad populum, you may stand to learn somethin'.
Would you like me to quote your ad hominem attacks on Dr.Hovind?
Or did I clear it up for everyone?
My God is powerful enough to preserve the word to be read and understood. Anyone without knowledge of creation/evolution would conclude that God created the world in 6 literal days by reading the bible.
You shouldn't have to jump hoops to get the meaning of it. Like I said, I respect the beliefs of people who think otherwise.
@Romans - Evolution makes a claim to death, and the productive changes within a species to create something new. A clear contradiction with this verse actually.
Mark - Strange, I actually notice that Adam came before Eve, but both of them still existed in the "beginning." What passage states that there was a primitive "man" before Adam?
But creationism is a great atheist-maker
Creationists believe by faith Gods word says it is impossible to please him without faith
so how do you figure its a great atheist maker
that's in direct contradiction of Gods word..
Do you know how many atheists are driven day by day to fuel their resolve to resist God? By quoting these ridiculous creationist organizations, and having their scientists destroy these men in debates. It only solidifies their unbelief, and when people like you try and make it a primary issue (rather than the secondary issue that it is), then it creates a huge barrier to the gospel.Barbarian said:
Creationists believe by faith Gods word says it is impossible to please him without faith so how do you figure its a great atheist maker that's in direct contradiction of Gods word..
tob
i guess it all depends on who you put your faith in doesn't it..