[_ Old Earth _] Evolution

[cupid dave]

cupid dave?
People who didn't know you better might think you were name-calling at Jesus. You do know that it was the Pharisees that called him that, not his friends, right?

The issue here deserves a whole thread, indeed, though.
The church has detoured from scrioture by surmising that in his glory, Jesus was things he neither would want us to believe nor is there evidence for suggesting they are valid in scripture.

Christian universally will say, "Christ is love," which is wrong. He is The Truth, and he recommends that as the Way men need live their Life.
They will say Jesus was the son-of-God when he was the son-of-man until indwelled during his baptism.
They will say John the Baptist was Elijah, when he was merely a voice in throngs of preachers, but one who recognized Jesus when he was transfigured into the son-of-God during the baptism.

 

[cupid dave]

You want to call a human as ape to justify human sex with ape not as bestiality? Sorry, bestiality is not compatible with Christianity.

Interesting point.
Is it bestiality for man to have hybidized with Neanderthals as we now understand took place at least 40,000 years ago?

Their were already present before the "flood out-of-Africa,... those species of man which were destined to come to this day, when only they, (Modern man), existed and all other species of humanoids had gone extinct.



Gen.6:4 There were giants, (Homo Erectus of Methusaelian and Methuselahiankinds according to the bible), in the earth in those days; and also afterthat, when the sons of God, (that line of ascent which would not becomeextinct, Methuselahian links, through Seth, i.e.; Modern Homo Erectus), camein unto the daughters, (the sister species of Tubal-cain, Naamahians, alate stage Neanderthal type), of men, ("daughters" of theprevious adaptation of the Methusaelian line of Cain, i.e.; Homo antecessor,derived through the line of Cain), and they bare children to them, the samebecame mighty men, (Neanderthals), which were of old, (powerful)men of renown (physical strength).

 

[felix]

The rib seems to be allegorical. Or it could have been miraculous. Why would that offend you if it was one and not the other? I have no idea what you mean by 50,000 years.

Most of your post is absolute nonsense and has no value replying.

(Genesis 2:7) And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
(Genesis 2:9) And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life [was] also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
(Genesis 2:19) Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought [them] to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that [was] its name.

The above is plain and simple. Just because I mentioned "direct" and "literal" which you blamed me as "adding", so your interpretation of "indirect" and "non-literal" are not additions?

Anyway, as I mentioned in other post, bestiality which is a evolutionary requirement and is not compatible with Christianity. So do people who believe in evolution worship a god who uses bestiality for creation who is not the God of the Bible.

 

[cupid dave]

Barbarian observes:


The rib seems to be allegorical. Or it could have been miraculous. Why would that offend you if it was one and not the other? I have no idea what you mean by 50,000 years.

"I see the "rib" as a Simile.

The Feminine side of us, psychologically speaking, is called the Anima, a rib among the seven Freudian/Jungian archetypes that are part of our Soul, or mind forming entities.
It is separate an somewhat more outside of the other mambers of our Subconscious because it contains the memories and instincts of the female phylogentic evolutionary experience .

It is the source of our Intuition which men can only smell while it blooms in the females with the driving force that makes them so different.



Gen. 2:21 And the LORD God, (The First Cause), caused a deep sleep, (a progressive series of evolutions),to fall upon(this first of our species: [Gen 5:2] i.e.), Adam, (to psychologically change him), and he (evolved over many thousands of years as if he had) slept: and He,(the Universal Power, over time), took one of his (psychic) ribs, (Tsela; "a side ofa person," or, figuratively, “a door:” [Hebrew]), and closed up the flesh (of this psychic facility), instead, (of including Human Intiution) thereof (within the rest of the mind of man);

 

[felix]

Interesting point.
Is it bestiality for man to have hybidized with Neanderthals as we now understand took place at least 40,000 years ago?

Their were already present before the "flood out-of-Africa,... those species of man which were destined to come to this day, when only they, (Modern man), existed and all other species of humanoids had gone extinct.



Gen.6:4 There were giants, (Homo Erectus of Methusaelian and Methuselahiankinds according to the bible), in the earth in those days; and also afterthat, when the sons of God, (that line of ascent which would not becomeextinct, Methuselahian links, through Seth, i.e.; Modern Homo Erectus), camein unto the daughters, (the sister species of Tubal-cain, Naamahians, alate stage Neanderthal type), of men, ("daughters" of theprevious adaptation of the Methusaelian line of Cain, i.e.; Homo antecessor,derived through the line of Cain), and they bare children to them, the samebecame mighty men, (Neanderthals), which were of old, (powerful)men of renown (physical strength).

In my opinion, Neanderthals are nothing but Nephilims. It is the English which translates as giants but the actual meaning is long lost. and yes it is a kind of bestiality because they are a union of sons of God and daughters of men which is forbidden.

 

[felix]

I have no idea what you mean by 50,000 years.

According to evolutionary theory, Eve was created first 50000 years before Adam came into existence. This essentially means, Eve was having sex with an ape which is bestiality.

Hence, Christians who believe in evolutionary theory blaspheme God by saying that he used bestiality as a means for creation, because bestiality is a requirement for evolution.

 

[lordkalvan]

How do we lessen the "subjective"? We understand that it can't be entirelyremoved, but how can we lesson this 'he said, she said" subjective-ness?

I think we just need to recognise its impact on our views and opinions and attempt to limit that impact as much as possible.

 

[lordkalvan]

This is exactly what is called bestiality which is a evolutionary requirement and is not compatible with Christianity.

That would be no, no and no respectively.

 

[cupid dave]

In my opinion, Neanderthals are nothing but Nephilims. It is the English which translates as giants but the actual meaning is long lost. and yes it is a kind of bestiality because they are a union of sons of God and daughters of men which is forbidden.

But every person today carries Neanderthal genes in them, so apparently you are wrong calling hybridization "bestiality," or else that is another reason we all fall short and need salvation.

 

[cupid dave]

According to evolutionary theory, Eve was created first 50000 years before Adam came into existence. This essentially means, Eve was having sex with an ape which is bestiality.

Hence, Christians who believe in evolutionary theory blaspheme God by saying that he used bestiality as a means for creation, because bestiality is a requirement for evolution.

The paleontologists confuse the appearance of what they misnomered as "Eve," the mother of us all when they discovered a genetic evidence that all men today are related to just one woman who lived @150,000 years ago.

This woman would corrrspond to Genesis 5:31, which indentifies her as the wife of Noah, who had the three "sons" which fathered the three racial so=tocks that founded modern man.
She lived and gave birth to these three 100,000 year before the 40,000 year flood out-of-Africa had begun.
This corrsponds one to one with our science and Genesis.




Gen 5:31 annouced that Noah was 500 years old when the three sons were born.
Gen 7:6 tell us Noah was 600 years old when the flood began.

Using my axiom, based on a day is like a 1000 years, that these really represent 500,000 years and 600,000 years the analogy fit perfectly with science.


Add to this that recent genetic tests say allen living today are related to just one man who lived 40,000 years ago, who the scientist called "adam," but I call Noah.

 

[lordkalvan]

According to evolutionary theory, Eve was created first 50000 years before Adam came into existence. This essentially means, Eve was having sex with an ape which is bestiality.

This is only not even not right, it's not even wrong (Wolfgang Pauli). MtDNA Eve wasn't created, she was born to a human mother. The father of her children was a human male also born to a human mother.

Hence, Christians who believe in evolutionary theory blaspheme God by saying that he used bestiality as a means for creation, because bestiality is a requirement for evolution.

So is bestiality worse than incest, then?

 

[felix]

That would be no, no and no respectively.

Saying "no" doesn't mean what you say is not bestiality. It is much evident that bestiality is what evolution teaches.

 

[felix]

But every person today carries Neanderthal genes in them, so apparently you are wrong calling hybridization "bestiality," or else that is another reason we all fall short and need salvation.

What am I wrong when it was the very reason for God to chain the angels to darkness and destroy the predeluvian world?

It was only Noah who found favour. What percentage of Noah's wife or his son's wife had the mix? What about the wife's parents and forefathers? Which is why, there is 4% left over. Bible did not hide the fact there were neplilims after the flood, which were because of the dominant genes of neanderthals.

 

[cupid dave]

This is only not even not right, it's not even wrong (Wolfgang Pauli). MtDNA Eve wasn't created, she was born to a human mother. The father of her children was a human male also born to a human mother.

So is bestiality worse than incest, then?

This woman would corrrspond to Genesis 5:31, which indentifies her as the wife of Noah, who had the three "sons" which fathered the three racial so=tocks that founded modern man.
She lived and gave birth to these three 100,000 year before the 40,000 year flood out-of-Africa had begun.
This corrsponds one to one with our science and Genesis.




Gen 5:31 annouced that Noah was 500 years old when the three sons were born.
Gen 7:6 tell us Noah was 600 years old when the flood began.

 

[lordkalvan]

Saying "no" doesn't mean what you say is not bestiality. It is much evident that bestiality is what evolution teaches.

Well, as you don't seem to understand any explanation provided, there's little alternative left to simply saying 'No' every time you perpetrate this gross misunderstanding.

 

[felix]

This is only not even not right, it's not even wrong (Wolfgang Pauli). MtDNA Eve wasn't created, she was born to a human mother. The father of her children was a human male also born to a human mother.

So is bestiality worse than incest, then?

Neither mtDNA Eve nor Y-Chromosomal Adam is required to prove that evolution requires bestiality. The first human to evolve did not have his mate already evolved as human. So does bestiality begins with apes as a requirement of evolution.

For bestiality, the punishment is death.
(Exodus 22:19) "Whoever lies with an animal shall surely be put to death.

incest on the other hand, the severity varies with who you had.
1. adultery, with mother, with daughter-in-law, same-sex - punishment is death
(Leviticus 20:10) 'The man who commits adultery with [another] man's wife, [he] who commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.

2. sister, step-sister - cut off from assembly
(Leviticus 20:17) 'If a man takes his sister, his father's daughter or his mother's daughter, and sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it [is] a wicked thing. And they shall be cut off in the sight of their people. He has uncovered his sister's nakedness. He shall bear his guilt.

3. uncle's wife, brother's wife - childless
(Leviticus 20:20) If a man lies with his uncle's wife, he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness. They shall bear their sin; they shall die childless.
(Leviticus 20:21) If a man takes his brother's wife, it [is] an unclean thing. He has uncovered his brother's nakedness. They shall be childless.

4. with both woman and her mother - burnt with fire
(Leviticus 20:14) If a man marries a woman and her mother, it [is] wickedness. They shall be burned with fire, both he and they, that there may be no wickedness among you.

So, it depends on what you are referring as incest.

 

[felix]

Well, as you don't seem to understand any explanation provided, there's little alternative left to simply saying 'No' every time you perpetrate this gross misunderstanding.

Anyone can understand this simple fact:

The first human to evolve did not have his mate already evolved as human. So does bestiality begins with apes as a requirement of evolution.

 

[felix]

This woman would corrrspond to Genesis 5:31, which indentifies her as the wife of Noah, who had the three "sons" which fathered the three racial so=tocks that founded modern man.
She lived and gave birth to these three 100,000 year before the 40,000 year flood out-of-Africa had begun.
This corrsponds one to one with our science and Genesis.




Gen 5:31 annouced that Noah was 500 years old when the three sons were born.
Gen 7:6 tell us Noah was 600 years old when the flood began.

When did Turkey became a part of Africa?

 

[lordkalvan]

This woman would corrrspond to Genesis 5:31, which indentifies her as the wife of Noah, who had the three "sons" which fathered the three racial so=tocks that founded modern man.
She lived and gave birth to these three 100,000 year before the 40,000 year flood out-of-Africa had begun.
This corrsponds one to one with our science and Genesis.




Gen 5:31 annouced that Noah was 500 years old when the three sons were born.
Gen 7:6 tell us Noah was 600 years old when the flood began.

Interesting speculation, but, as I've said before, I see no substantive evidence supporting it.

 

[lordkalvan]

Neither mtDNA Eve nor Y-Chromosomal Adam is required to prove that evolution requires bestiality. The first human to evolve did not have his mate already evolved as human. So does bestiality begins with apes as a requirement of evolution.

Quite ridiculous, as ridiculous as proposing that there was a first reason to speak French, everyone else around them speaking some other language. Understand the simple idea that the most recent female common ancestor and the most recent male common ancestor did not have to co-exist for either to mate with another human being. Your 'bestiality' nonsense is a red-herring of sperm whale proportions.

For bestiality, the punishment is death.
(Exodus 22:19) "Whoever lies with an animal shall surely be put to death.

incest on the other hand, the severity varies with who you had.
1. adultery, with mother, with daughter-in-law, same-sex - punishment is death
(Leviticus 20:10) 'The man who commits adultery with [another] man's wife, [he] who commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.

2. sister, step-sister - cut off from assembly
(Leviticus 20:17) 'If a man takes his sister, his father's daughter or his mother's daughter, and sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it [is] a wicked thing. And they shall be cut off in the sight of their people. He has uncovered his sister's nakedness. He shall bear his guilt.

3. uncle's wife, brother's wife - childless
(Leviticus 20:20) If a man lies with his uncle's wife, he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness. They shall bear their sin; they shall die childless.
(Leviticus 20:21) If a man takes his brother's wife, it [is] an unclean thing. He has uncovered his brother's nakedness. They shall be childless.

4. with both woman and her mother - burnt with fire
(Leviticus 20:14) If a man marries a woman and her mother, it [is] wickedness. They shall be burned with fire, both he and they, that there may be no wickedness among you.

So, it depends on what you are referring as incest.

Well, Adam and Eve's children, for example. A curious culture that sees adultery amongst unrelated neighbours as significantly more heinous than incest between brother and sister.