[_ Old Earth _] Evolutionism and Evolution; some essential differences

[Barbarian]

It's good you've come to the point that you believe the Bible Barb

About 65 years ago, thereabouts. You?

Now who was Eve's mother-in-law according to your Bible ?

Doesn't say. For most Christians, additions to scripture are a bad thing.

 

[brujaq]

And what caused the fall ? The Serpent asked Eve ''did God REALLY say'' .. Then when Jesus was tempted in the desert he replied to the Devil each time ''it is written'' .. So what does God say and what is written and where ?

 

[brujaq]

About 65 years ago, thereabouts. You?



Doesn't say. For most Christians, additions to scripture are a bad thing.

But it does say where she come from and that means she had no mother-in law .. Right ?

 

[Roro1972]

Genesis 7:22 And all things wherein there is the breath of life on the earth, died.

Notice that eretz is translated as "earth", meaning "land." So everything that breathed in the area died.

But this still doesn't explain how Noah got all those whales on board, which is what happened if you take the story as a literal history.

simple after the waters went down God made new living forms in the waters to supply the ones he saved that were human and he did not fill obligated to tell the humans

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
Genesis 7:22 And all things wherein there is the breath of life on the earth, died.

Notice that eretz is translated as "earth", meaning "land." So everything that breathed in the area died.
But this still doesn't explain how Noah got all those whales on board, which is what happened if you take the story as a literal history.

simple after the waters went down God made new living forms in the waters to supply the ones he saved that were human and he did not fill obligated to tell the humans

First, that's an addition that is not in evidence. Second, a literal reading of Genesis says that God took the whales on board with him.

 

[Barbarian]

But it does say where she come from and that means she had no mother-in law .. Right ?

Marriage was not yet in place at the time. I think you're still having trouble because you're trying to redefine a figurative passage into a literal account.

 

[brujaq]

Man needs parliamentary procedure to keep things in order .. God doesn't ..

 

[Roro1972]

Barbarian observes:
Genesis 7:22 And all things wherein there is the breath of life on the earth, died.

Notice that eretz is translated as "earth", meaning "land." So everything that breathed in the area died.
But this still doesn't explain how Noah got all those whales on board, which is what happened if you take the story as a literal history.



First, that's an addition that is not in evidence. Second, a literal reading of Genesis says that God took the whales on board with him.

if one reads ch 7 of Genesis they should see Noah was only told to bring into the Ark Land animals Nothing was said about anything in the water. So one is adding to the book to say water animals was on the Ark

 

[Barbarian]

And what caused the fall ?

Man's disobedience. Notice how well "the devil made me do it" went when Adam and Eve tried that one with God.

The Serpent asked Eve ''did God REALLY say'' ..

The serpent is a Biblical literalist. He told half the truth. The death God was speaking about, wasn't a physical one, but the serpent pretended that it was. And he told a bit of truth; "you will become like God." To make it more persuasive.

Then when Jesus was tempted in the desert he replied to the Devil each time ''it is written'' ..

Yep.

None of it says anything about Genesis.

 

[Barbarian]

if one reads ch 7 of Genesis they should see Noah was only told to bring into the Ark Land animals

Nope. It says to bring in those animals that breathe. That would include whales.

 

[brujaq]

Man's disobedience. Notice how well "the devil made me do it" went when Adam and Eve tried that one with God.



The serpent is a Biblical literalist. He told half the truth. The death God was speaking about, wasn't a physical one, but the serpent pretended that it was. And he told a bit of truth; "you will become like God." To make it more persuasive.



Yep.

None of it says anything about Genesis.

You better believe the serpent is a Biblical literalist .. He just don't want you to be, just when it suits him ..

 

[Roro1972]

Nope. It says to bring in those animals that breathe. That would include whales.

you are reading between the lines and adding to.
If you cherry pick the first sentence of ch 6 verse 19 it does say all flesh. It also names and describes what animals and all named are land or air.
also can you tell me what ch verse you speak of?

ch 6
19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
ch 7
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,

9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

 

[Barbarian]

Genesis 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. 16And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

 

[Roro1972]

Genesis 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. 16And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

This says God decided what would go into the Ark and He sent them in after Noahs family went into the Ark.
God decided and named what would be on the Ark. Whales were not of the flesh He sent.
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

 

[Barbarian]

This says God decided what would go into the Ark and He sent them in after Noahs family went into the Ark.
God decided and named what would be on the Ark. Whales were not of the flesh He sent.
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

Whales aren't fish. So that would also indicate that whales were brought on board. Assuming you take it all literally.

 

[Cygnus]

Nope. The Bible says the same thing. Adam and Eve disobeyed God, and that is what the Fall is. At least in the Christian Bible.

If you don't agree with the Bible when it uses figurative language, you'll be constantly arguing against God's word. The good news for you, is that He doesn't care if you approve of the way He did it. Unless you make an idol of creationism, and claim that your new interpretation is required to be saved, you'll have no consequences at all.

Some Christians agree with you; many do not. It doesn't matter to salvation. Don't let it be an impediment to yours.

The religion of the Theo-Evo sect attacks the core of christian belief, the theology in which doctrine is built upon and derived.

Original sin would be one of them.

 

[Cygnus]

Whales aren't fish. So that would also indicate that whales were brought on board. Assuming you take it all literally.

Do whales have nostrils?

Everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died. Gen 7:22

 

[Cygnus]

But it does say where she come from and that means she had no mother-in law .. Right ?

Lets not forget...
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

 

[Cygnus]

The serpent is a Biblical literalist. He told half the truth. The death God was speaking about, wasn't a physical one, but the serpent pretended that it was. And he told a bit of truth; "you will become like God." To make it more persuasive.

Adam and Eve were spared that day....they did die spiritually...and physically they began to die....You see, what happened was that Adam and Eve tried to cover their own sin...nakedness ...with fig leaves. But God said, nope, this innocent animal will have to die in your place and it will cover your nakedness. Look at that, the Gospel is in Genesis.

 

[Cygnus]

You better believe the serpent is a Biblical literalist .. He just don't want you to be, just when it suits him ..

That's how Paul presented the serpent...literal and historical

2 Cor 11:3. But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.