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humble soul

humble soul

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I stumbled upon these forums yesterday. Interesting how they go through "deconverting".
Personally I dont have a problem with doubt . i think it is healthy to question and unhealthy to be too sure and certain.
But anyway got to reading some of their testimonies. I could never see myself deconverting. Becoming atheist. Losers like me cant survive without God. Maybe atheism is for evidence based winners?
 
-sigh- i don't know. i wonder...as a Calvinist...if it isn't just that a lot of church goers are never among the sheep to begin with? especially with so much of modern Christianity mixing self-help, conservative politics, psychology, and...a group to belong to, something to add meaning and structure to what might otherwise be a chaotic existence...

? perhaps if they find a more appealing form of group therapy (LOL), they're outta there. or maybe the rules get too rigid, they get some more $$$, they find other ways to deal with "problems in living" (thank you, Dr.Szasz), a kid or friend comes out as LGBTQI, etc....

then its (family-friendly) party over?
 
I can at least see from a logical standpoint why people might cease to believe in God and leave the faith. I would have gone down that path had I never gotten to experience an encounter with Him. Without a personal God who loves us in a personal way, and that impacts us, what evidence is there that He exists? That's not to say there's none whatsoever, but I at least found the evidence pretty lacking during my time of questioning.

I've seen people leave the faith after going through hard times. If you don't have a personal connection to God during those times, I can see why people would find it difficult to remain in the faith.
 
humble soul said:
I stumbled upon these forums yesterday. Interesting how they go through "deconverting".
Personally I dont have a problem with doubt . i think it is healthy to question and unhealthy to be too sure and certain.
But anyway got to reading some of their testimonies. I could never see myself deconverting. Becoming atheist. Losers like me cant survive without God. Maybe atheism is for evidence based winners?
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I have read through some of them myself.


Very sad.


Many have been mistreated by Pastors and staff.

Feeling discontent and abandoned, they become bitter and hardened.



JLB
 
Christ_empowered said:
sigh- i don't know. i wonder...as a Calvinist...if it isn't just that a lot of church goers are never among the sheep to begin with?
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Of course this is the case with some.


However, we read that the Holy Spirit says...


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1





JLB
 
JLB said:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1
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if they were debating you now, they would be very offended by that. they think that Christians cant stand up to the scrutiny of honest intellectual debate. Their debating doesn't impress me.
 
JLB said:
Of course this is the case with some.


However, we read that the Holy Spirit says...


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1





JLB
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It made me feel very sad to read that, even though I know it to be true.[/QUOTE]
 
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humble soul said:
if they were debating you now, they would be very offended by that. they think that Christians cant stand up to the scrutiny of honest intellectual debate. Their debating doesn't impress me.
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Their heart has become hardened.


And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. Matthew 24:12




JLB
 
humble soul said:
I stumbled upon these forums yesterday. Interesting how they go through "deconverting".
Personally I dont have a problem with doubt . i think it is healthy to question and unhealthy to be too sure and certain.
But anyway got to reading some of their testimonies. I could never see myself deconverting. Becoming atheist. Losers like me cant survive without God. Maybe atheism is for evidence based winners?
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religion disappoints - God does not
 
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Truthfrees said:
from the testimonies it appears that many of those who left christianity didn't really leave Christ - they never met Christ - they had a religious conversion

religion disappoints - Christ does not

i have talked with several who left christianity and their answers to my questions proved to them and me that they accepted "christianity" - and never really had a true encounter with Christ

when someone meets Jesus in a profound way they will find it hard to leave - because compared to Christ there is NOTHING else -

John 6:66-69 New King James Version (NKJV)
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
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What is that you understand a person must do to be saved?



JLB
 
Truthfrees said:
from the testimonies it appears that many of those who left christianity didn't really leave Christ - they never met Christ - they had a religious conversion

religion disappoints - Christ does not

i have talked with several who left christianity and their answers to my questions proved to them and me that they accepted "christianity" - and never really had a true encounter with Christ

when someone meets Jesus in a profound way they will find it hard to leave - because compared to Christ there is NOTHING else -

John 6:66-69 New King James Version (NKJV)
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
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it makes me wonder how many superficial "born again" events occur. How deeply are people committing to Christ. Maybe some are just getting caught up in the hype. They need friends. They need a caring Christian
community to support them so will do whatever it takes to get it.
 
Now if someone was to try to convince me that my son doesn't exist... they're gonna have a really hard time with that.

So...
Maybe these people never really knew Christ. They knew of him... could repeat things others said enough to give the illusion that they knew Him...

Kind of like the analogy of standing in a garage and making car noises...but doing so doesn't mean that people are automobiles.

Then there are the accusations. Now I know that many people aren't well behaved. Even Christians. But some of these are outrageous.

*Sigh*

Dunno what causes so much hate.
 
Sufferings and hard times are what really separate the true disciples of Jesus from mere followers. Mere followers fall away and turn to other things in times of crisis, a true disciple of Jesus, however, only grow stronger as the time passes.
 
hishandmaiden said:
Sufferings and hard times are what really separate the true disciples of Jesus from mere followers. Mere followers fall away and turn to other things in times of crisis, a true disciple of Jesus, however, only grow stronger as the time passes.
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Are you a true disciple?
 
humble soul said:
I stumbled upon these forums yesterday. Interesting how they go through "deconverting".
Personally I dont have a problem with doubt . i think it is healthy to question and unhealthy to be too sure and certain.
But anyway got to reading some of their testimonies. I could never see myself deconverting. Becoming atheist. Losers like me cant survive without God. Maybe atheism is for evidence based winners?
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Where are theses forums located so I can go read them?
 
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