Exegesis or Eisegesis which does your church prefer?

[BobRyan]

There are no purely objective methods in exegesis; once more, exegesis presumes objectivity, it does not guarantee it.

Bob said
That is like saying "the scientific method does not guarantee that every experiment will be successful and flawless therefore it is not an objective method".

Surely you see that.

L.K
Your point is flawed. The scientific method is based on the concept of falsifiability; please show me how exegesis of biblical text can be falsified.
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Please show me how you can assess and measure the intent of the writer(s) of biblical text

errr... umm "Exegesis".

It is like the two party system and 3 branches of government in the U.S where the ASSUMPTION is that a monopoly a dictatorship eventually highlights the self-ambition of those in charge so a "balancing system" is needed.

Exegesis ASSUMES that each person will be as devoted to eisegeting their OWN pet ideas into the text as YOU are so it sets up boundary rules to prevent it.

We are not talking about "proving the Bible right" when we speak to the subject of exegesis -- rather we are talking about "KNOWING what it SAYS first before you declare it to be corrupt as some do with the text of Genesis or before you claim it supports your views -- as you do with texts like Exodus 20:8-11".

what METHODS would have to be USED to go the direction of OBJECTIVITY instead of your patently all-eisegesis-all-the-time direction?

1. Set your "needs" for Darwinism aside. Let the Bible "interpret itself"
2. SEE who the author is and who the first order primary intended audience IS.
3. Given that context how is the framing of the words in the text DESIGNED to appeal to THOSE readers? What is the writer leading someone with THEIR context to think? The same word in the same paragraph to the same readers can not simply be "spun around and around" as your eisegetical needs may dictate. When you see yourself doing that -- you are headed down the a blind alley.
4. What is the context for the chapter and the book?
5. How does the SAME author use the SAME concept in his other writings?
6. How do OTHER Bible authors use those SAMe concepts in their writings?

Often people get stuck failing at steps 1, 2 and 3.

Some will even be so transparent about it that they also ATTACK exegesis.

L.K
Please show me how exegesis guarantees objectivity rather than just presuming it.

This gets back to the "A, B, C's" of Exegesis and the fact that these are methods use to avoid the subjective act of eisegeting in whatever you desire each time it pleases you.

L.K.
Please demonstrate that exegesis of OT text by different religions and different denominations within individual religions shows full agreement on the meaning of that text.

That is like saying "Prove that the 3 branches of government are BETTER than a dictatorship by SHOWING that all parties always agree all the time".

Surely the transparent nature of your flawed argument is available even to the one making it.

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Question for the group - what is your view of Exegesis -- "Good or bad"??

Do you consider that it's methods are "to be avoided at all costs because they are pointless"?

Do you think eisegesis is "better"?

What are your thoughts?

What are the views of your church leadership on Exegesis?

Bob