Explain the atonement and it's relation to Salvation in up to 15 sentences.

[Corinth77777]

You're right.
Abraham is the father of all who have faith.
And God's promise, of course, is also true.

But have you studied the Covenants?
Maybe not.
The Abrahamic Covenant was made with the Hebrews and stated what you have written above.
There have been many Covenants since then.
We Christians belong to the New Covenant.

For instance, the sign of the Abrahamic Covenant is circumcision.
The sign of the New Covenant is Baptism but some theologians believe it's the Eucharist/Communion.

Hi, I can kind of see what you are saying but Galatians answers that.
The Law came through Moses
And just because the law came it did not annul the promises that God previously made with Abraham. We were able to see that no works of our own natural ability could Justify us before God through the law because of the weakness of our flesh, not because the law was not good and holy because the flesh is weak..So how do we get to enjoy the promises God made with Abraham?... Through the faithfullness of Jesus.
We uphold the law another way, not by our natural ability, but through the supernatural ability of Christ. Therefore while the law is not our source of Salvation it is still the course of salvation. So when I said enter into the Covenant of Abraham, recall that Abraham is the father of faith for those who would come to trust Jesus.
The law was put in place to show up sin, as you know not that anyone by their own natural abily would be saved by it.
So do you uphold the Law by faith? Then that is why I said enter into the covenant of Abraham.
Where by we receive the blessings of Abraham.
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So I was saying if Abraham was told to walk blameless before God and He'd make a Covenant with Him...Then how would we enter that Covenant? By walking blamesless seeing that we're given the power of the Holy Spirit. As God was behind Abraham, and was able to make him stand if needed. WE HAVE THE Spirit too. Emanuel God with us.

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"He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well"

 

[GodsGrace]

Hi, I can kind of see what you are saying but Galatians answers that.
The Law came through Moses
And just because the law came it did not annul the promises that God previously made with Abraham. We were able to see that no works of our own natural ability could Justify us before God through the law because of the weakness of our flesh, not because the law was not good and holy because the flesh is weak..

Agreed.

So how do we get to enjoy the promises God made with Abraham?... Through the faithfullness of Jesus.

I'm wondering what you mean by that.
We shall see!

We uphold the law another way, not by our natural ability, but through the supernatural ability of Christ. Therefore while the law is not our source of Salvation it is still the course of salvation. So when I said enter into the Covenant of Abraham, recall that Abraham is the father of faith for those who would come to trust Jesus.

Actually, we don't uphold the Law through the ability of Jesus.
We must uphold the Law through our own good works/deeds but we have the helper.
Jesus said He would send the Helper, the Holy Spirit to help us remember all that He (Jesus) had said.
All Jesus spoke about, basically, was about the Kingdom of God and how to be a part of it.

In Matthew 4:17 Jesus tells us to repent because the Kingdom of God is near.
Matthew 5 speaks of the beatitudes Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount.
Matthew 13 speaks about the Kingdom and how it must be found.

The law was put in place to show up sin, as you know not that anyone by their own natural abily would be saved by it.
So do you uphold the Law by faith? Then that is why I said enter into the covenant of Abraham.
Where by we receive the blessings of Abraham.
Adding

I don't know...
I don't want to take anything away from Abraham...a member of the Great Hall of Faith in Hebrews 11 and a man that lead his tribe in God's will to the point of sacrificing his son if need be, but I don't really understand why you place him as the arbiter of faith.

I'd say that God reveals Himself to us, we accept Him or deny Him, and then He helps us through the power of the holy Spirit to follow the teachings of Jesus.

Some persons believe Jesus has done it all and they're required to do nothing.

So I was saying if Abraham was told to walk blameless before God and He'd make a Covenant with Him...Then how would we enter that Covenant? By walking blamesless seeing that we're given the power of the Holy Spirit. As God was behind Abraham, and was able to make him stand if needed. WE HAVE THE Spirit too. Emanuel God with us.

Oh, right. Amen to that.
But we don't belong to the Covenant of Abraham.
We belong to the New Covenant of which Jesus is the King, Priest and Prophet.
And by which we are saved in these days.

Hebrews 1:2-3
1Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.
2And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.
3The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.

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"He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well"

You're quoting Romans 4:11
It just means that you don't have to be circumcised to be righteous with God.
It's FAITH that saved.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Hi, thank you 4 your response, maybe you can help me out a little further.

Allow me to pose a scripture to reference:

 
Gal 1
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

And 2 Cor 5:21

Now allow me to be more specific in my quest:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I see atoning for someone sins.
Is by doing something to appease, pacify the other party that's involved.
A life for a life for example is close to that Ideal. Like appeasement for someone whose son had been murdered or killed.

So, is it safe to say, Jesus as a willing vessel, through His death, by the shedding of his blood appeased God and therefore made reconciliation with men Possible.

Did He make it "possible"? Emphasis on possible.
Hypothetically, would it be possible only if man trusted/or believed in Christ.

And another question: Are reconciliation and justification the same?

Here is my take on it. Man turned from God. Man searched how to get back to God. God gave the law on how to get back. Man failed and deserved death. God sent His Son to show us how. The perfect man led the perfect sinless life( He made it). He did that which we could not. The Perfect Man then made the perfect sacrifice through perfect love. He was the only one who could do this for us. If we confess Him(who He is and what He did) and believe in Him(obey Him & walk with Him) only then are we justified to be saved.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Explain the atonement and it's relation to Salvation?

Jesus atoned for the sins of the world
He died to the first Covenant so that life would come to all that believed in Him.

So He opened up the gateway to God for all. (w/a)

And Jesus is that gateway for He fullfilled the law.

So no longer do merely the Isralies have access to God through the law.
But through His sacrifice all nations have access to the Father through faith in/of Jesus.

That is all I have for now
You are welcome to critique my understanding in love so I can learn. Tks

To me, atonement occurs when sinners ask forgiveness of their sins against God,

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD...Isa1:18
...he, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath. Psa.78:38

Seeing how our Savior Jesus being full of compassion didn't kill those who mocked and abused him. In this he showed the typre of reasoning together God wants.

 

[Corinth77777]

Agreed.


I'm wondering what you mean by that.
We shall see!

Actually, we don't uphold the Law through the ability of Jesus.

Read Gal 2:16 for that's what I was referring to

We must uphold the Law through our own good works/deeds but we have the helper.
Jesus said He would send the Helper, the Holy Spirit to help us remember all that He (Jesus) had said.
All Jesus spoke about, basically, was about the Kingdom of God and how to be a part of it.

In Matthew 4:17 Jesus tells us to repent because the Kingdom of God is near.
Matthew 5 speaks of the beatitudes Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount.
Matthew 13 speaks about the Kingdom and how it must be found.



I don't know...
I don't want to take anything away from Abraham...a member of the Great Hall of Faith in Hebrews 11 and a man that lead his tribe in God's will to the point of sacrificing his son if need be,

but I don't really understand why you place him as the arbiter of faith.

Quote where I did that plz

I'd say that God reveals Himself to us, we accept Him or deny Him, and then He helps us through the power of the holy Spirit to follow the teachings of Jesus.

Some persons believe Jesus has done it all and they're required to do nothing.


Oh, right. Amen to that.
But we don't belong to the Covenant of Abraham.

Don't you believe the Abrahamic Covenant has been affirmed by the new Covenant?

We belong to the New Covenant of which Jesus is the King, Priest and Prophet.
And by which we are saved in these days.

Hebrews 1:2-3
1Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.
2And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.
3The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.


You're quoting Romans 4:11
It just means that you don't have to be circumcised to be righteous with God.
It's FAITH that saved.

I was trying to show that Abraham was Justified by having believed God not the Law

 

[Corinth77777]

To me, atonement occurs when sinners ask forgiveness of their sins against God,

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD...Isa1:18
...he, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath. Psa.78:38

Seeing how our Savior Jesus being full of compassion didn't kill those who mocked and abused him. In this he showed the typre of reasoning together God wants.

 

[atpollard]

I believe you stated that AFTER salvation good works are necessary.
Right?

Yup.

I like the analogy that Good Works are FRUIT and not ROOTS. Our salvation does not grow from the roots of our good works … that was Legalism and kills. However, a tree that bears no FRUIT of good works is a dead tree and suitable for nothing but firewood.

So our GOOD WORKS are the fruit that proves (demonstrates, reveals) that we are alive (really saved).

 

[GodsGrace]

Read Gal 2:16 for that's what I was referring to

I agree Corinth.
We are justified by faith in Jesus.
I never would disagree with that.

Not sure what I stated that made you think that, but we have it cleared up now.

Quote where I did that plz

You speak a lot about Abraham and the Abrahamic Covenant.
More so than usual....
I was wondering why and you never really answered, but OK.

Don't you believe the Abrahamic Covenant has been affirmed by the new Covenant?

Absolutely.
Every Covenant either makes the previous one better or adds something to it or takes something unnecessary away.
The New Covenant covers ALL the Covenants and is the last and everlasting Covenant which was God's plan all along.
It would just be nice to know that You know that you belong to the New Covenant and not the Abrahamic Covenant.

I was trying to show that Abraham was Justified by having believed God not the Law

Amen. As it is even today.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yup.

I like the analogy that Good Works are FRUIT and not ROOTS. Our salvation does not grow from the roots of our good works … that was Legalism and kills. However, a tree that bears no FRUIT of good works is a dead tree and suitable for nothing but firewood.

So our GOOD WORKS are the fruit that proves (demonstrates, reveals) that we are alive (really saved).

I think you know that I like to say that
Works without faith are dead.
Faith without works is dead.

 

[Corinth77777]

I agree Corinth.
We are justified by faith in Jesus.
I never would disagree with that.

King Jame Version
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

I'LL FINISH LATER

Not sure what I stated that made you think that, but we have it cleared up now.


You speak a lot about Abraham and the Abrahamic Covenant.
More so than usual....
I was wondering why and you never really answered, but OK.



Absolutely.
Every Covenant either makes the previous one better or adds something to it or takes something unnecessary away.
The New Covenant covers ALL the Covenants and is the last and everlasting Covenant which was God's plan all along.
It would just be nice to know that You know that you belong to the New Covenant and not the Abrahamic Covenant.


Amen. As it is even today.

 

[Corinth77777]

You speak a lot about Abraham and the Abrahamic Covenant.
More so than usual....
I was wondering why and you never really answered, but OK.

Actually what I may have said was God told Abraham to walk before Him blameless and that He would make a Covenant with Him..

Sense this is true then how would we enter into His Covenant blessings today? the same way, by walking by faith.

Absolutely.
Every Covenant either makes the previous one better or adds something to it or takes something unnecessary away.
The New Covenant covers ALL the Covenants and is the last and everlasting Covenant which was God's plan all along.
It would just be nice to know that You know that you belong to the New Covenant and not the Abrahamic Covenant.


Amen. As it is even today.

 

[Corinth77777]

I agree Corinth.
We are justified by faith in Jesus.
I never would disagree with that.

Not sure what I stated that made you think that, but we have it cleared up now.


You speak a lot about Abraham and the Abrahamic Covenant.
More so than usual....
I was wondering why and you never really answered, but OK.



Absolutely.
Every Covenant either makes the previous one better or adds something to it or takes something unnecessary away.
The New Covenant covers ALL the Covenants and is the last and everlasting Covenant which was God's plan all along.
It would just be nice to know that You know that you belong to the New Covenant and not the Abrahamic Covenant.

Corinth77777 "I was trying to show that Abraham was Justified by having believed God not the Law"

Wondering- As it is even today.

By your response I thought you believed that because I mentioned entering the Covenant God made with Abraham that you thought this some how meant I was going "back" under the Law. Yet Abraham was not under the Law of Moses. He was Justified by faith.

The question I have for you is what was the seal Abraham received while He was yet uncircumcised?

 

[for_his_glory]

None of us can atone for our sin as Jesus was the only one who atoned for our sin by His blood sacrifice that whosoever would repent of their sin will receive eternal life with the Father. Repenting of our sin is the first step of Gods salvation by His grace through faith in Christ Jesus who restored relationship between God and mankind as He is our mediator before the Father. But yet we are not saved until the coming of Christ as we must endure many trials and tribulations here on earth and it is only those who endure unto the end of their life, or that alive unto the coming of the Lord.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[daninthelionsden]

None of us can atone for our sin as Jesus was the only one who atoned for our sin by His blood sacrifice that whosoever would repent of their sin will receive eternal life with the Father. Repenting of our sin is the first step of Gods salvation by His grace through faith in Christ Jesus who restored relationship between God and mankind as He is our mediator before the Father. But yet we are not saved until the coming of Christ as we must endure many trials and tribulations here on earth and it is only those who endure unto the end of their life, or that alive unto the coming of the Lord.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

I totally agree we ourselves can never properly atone for our sins against God. After looking over the Old Testament laws though, I found that the Law required one to atone for one's sins against another to the damaged party's satisfaction. I believe we should still try to do this wherever possible. Yet we still must know that where this is not possible, we must rely on Christ's sufficiency in atoning for ALL sin.
I only say this as a reminder we are not to rely solely on the Lord concerning our own laziness/cowardness or lack of understanding. I believe we grow so much spiritually as we at least attempt to make it easier for others to forgive.

 

[for_his_glory]

I totally agree we ourselves can never properly atone for our sins against God. After looking over the Old Testament laws though, I found that the Law required one to atone for one's sins against another to the damaged party's satisfaction. I believe we should still try to do this wherever possible. Yet we still must know that where this is not possible, we must rely on Christ's sufficiency in atoning for ALL sin.
I only say this as a reminder we are not to rely solely on the Lord concerning our own laziness/cowardness or lack of understanding. I believe we grow so much spiritually as we at least attempt to make it easier for others to forgive.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

If we do not forgive others who trespass against us then how should we expect God to forgive us our trespasses against Him.