Faith and/or good works ?

[twinc]

it seems my previous post re 'hellish good works' according to demons and humans and not according to the works of God has been and is being ignored and not accepted that the road to hell is paved with good works according to demons and humans - twinc

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Paul says the faith that justifies is the faith that works:

"6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything (toward justification), but faith working through love." (Galatians 5:6 NASB)

But it seems so many in the church believe this is not true.

 

[YosefHayim]

The latter comes from the former, but he latter does not save. Phil 1:11 Rom 8:13

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

it seems my previous post re 'hellish good works' according to demons and humans and not according to the works of God has been and is being ignored and not accepted that the road to hell is paved with good works according to demons and humans - twinc

Can you give true life examples?

 

[twinc]

Can you give true life examples?

it was intimated that good works [especially according to humans and demons do not count ] do not seem to count even in hell for the flames,the fire and the heat will not it seems be turned down - twinc

 

[Jethro Bodine]

it was intimated that good works [especially according to humans and demons do not count ] do not seem to count even in hell for the flames,the fire and the heat will not it seems be turned down - twinc

Count for what?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

it was intimated that good works [especially according to humans and demons do not count ] do not seem to count even in hell for the flames,the fire and the heat will not it seems be turned down - twinc

Who are these humans and what are the good works that are sending them to hell?

 

[twinc]

Who are these humans and what are the good works that are sending them to hell?

it seems to me and imho that heaven as a free gift cannot be secured by good works nor hell avoided by good works - twinc

 

[quinntar]

it seems to me and imho that heaven as a free gift cannot be secured by good works nor hell avoided by good works - twinc

Doesnt seem fair does it.

 

[quinntar]

Count for what?

Salvation.

 

[quinntar]

Who are these humans and what are the good works that are sending them to hell?

As many christians say any works period will not save you.

 

[bluegirl]

when one submits to the Lord, accepts Jesus, finally, and is saved from this world and the penalties of the original sin, then one is new. Only that submission saves, to follow the tree of life - Jesus - and abandon the tree of knowledge. And when this truly happens, it is evident in one's acts. Maybe not everyone notices, for some are blind. But I have understood works to follow on, not bring about, salvation. It is true that the unsaved also do good works. But we need not worry. It is for the Lord to know who is in his number, not for man.

 

[bluegirl]

And I pray that when I accept Jesus, Jesus accepts me. For it would not make sense that one who truly accepted Jesus' sacrifice, with humility and repentance, would not be accepted by the Lord. But don't know the passages for this. It seems that if the Holy Spirit was not working in me, and if Grace was not prompting me, then I would not repent and accept Jesus as my savior to begin with. The LORD wants us to come to him and he is no respecter of persons.

 

[bluegirl]

Can you give true life examples?

I love your signature quote "but whosoever trusts in the Lord will be kept safe". Proverbs 29:25.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

it seems to me and imho that heaven as a free gift cannot be secured by good works nor hell avoided by good works - twinc

Not to be troublesome, but I disagree with you.
What you are saying is that there are human beings that are doing good works, expecting a reward from heaven for it, but are going to hell instead.
I don't know of any such people.
Do you?
Unless you can give examples, then I believe it is not true.

 

[KevinK]

Not to be troublesome, but I disagree with you.
What you are saying is that there are human beings that are doing good works, expecting a reward from heaven for it, but are going to hell instead.
I don't know of any such people.
Do you?
Unless you can give examples, then I believe you are wrong.

I actually do know an example, but I what I don't know is if you would accept it as valid testimony. Supposedly, the Buddha is in Hell. He is burning in the lake of fire. Despite instigating one of the most widespread (if not the most widespread) humanitarian movements in mankind's history. Why would such a man be in Hell? Gautama Siddhartha was an athiest. By definition he failed to accept God's offer of salvation (and it doesn't matter that he lived before Jesus. Dad's been around for quite a long time).

 

[4afaithfulone]

Faith without works is dead! But... this does not mean works of the flesh such as going about seeking out the poor to lavish goods on them. It means first of all to take God at His Word and step out on it in faith to believe for it, for without faith to act on God's Word, it is impossible to please God! Secondly and very important our works are internal by asking for God's Spirit and Word to do a work within us to renew our ways. You see many running around giving out money and possessions to get pats on the back by man, then go straight home shouting at other cars on the way, yelling at their spouses and children, cheating on the taxes, lying to the bill collectors etc... when they think no one is looking.... But! God sees it all, they only fool themselves.
How is it that we can read the paper that says there is a sale on Sunday for something we want and we just go and stand in line on Sunday to get one, doubting NOTHING.... Yet our God gives us a book of promises for us and we can't even believe it is truth?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You see many running around giving out money and possessions to get pats on the back by man, then go straight home shouting at other cars on the way, yelling at their spouses and children, cheating on the taxes, lying to the bill collectors etc... when they think no one is looking....

...kicking the dog.......you left out kicking the dog.

How is it that we can read the paper that says there is a sale on Sunday for something we want and we just go and stand in line on Sunday to get one, doubting NOTHING.... Yet our God gives us a book of promises for us and we can't even believe it is truth?

Maybe if He put a coupon in Sunday's paper more people would respond.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I actually do know an example, but I what I don't know is if you would accept it as valid testimony. Supposedly, the Buddha is in Hell. He is burning in the lake of fire. Despite instigating one of the most widespread (if not the most widespread) humanitarian movements in mankind's history. Why would such a man be in Hell? Gautama Siddhartha was an athiest. By definition he failed to accept God's offer of salvation (and it doesn't matter that he lived before Jesus. Dad's been around for quite a long time).

Buddha is good.
I like Buddha.
So I guess it's safe to say that all the Buddhists in the world from the beginning to the end are destined for eternal separation from God.

 

[4afaithfulone]

...kicking the dog.......you left out kicking the dog.

Oh, we are going to be humorus, ok,
I thought you would get the idea without me adding that too~

Maybe if He put a coupon in Sunday's paper more people would respond.

I am sure of it! We always believe what is written in there as long as we don't add it is written by or inspired by God~