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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join Hidden in Him and For His Glory for discussions on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/become-a-vessel-of-honor-part-2.112306/
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Faith and/or good works ?
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Fish Catcher Jim
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Exactly but it was being used to portray the nature of God today ! That is what this was about. It isnot even close.
Jethro Bodine
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Not even close? Read this message written to New Covenant saints:
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY." And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."
(Hebrews 10:26-30 NASB)
Not only is Deuteronomy 32:18-20** close to portraying the nature of God today, but, as the writer points out, a person deserves severer punishment for rejecting the Son of God.
**18 "You neglected the Rock who begot you, And forgot the God who gave you birth.
19 "The LORD saw this, and spurned them Because of the provocation of His sons and daughters.
20 "Then He said, 'I will hide My face from them, I will see what their end shall be; For they are a perverse generation, Sons in whom is no faithfulness.
(Deuteronomy 32:18-20 NASB)
We don't have a new God who's nature is to now not punish wrong doers. We have the same vengeful God (yeah, I said it), but who's mercy has now been fully disclosed in the person of Jesus Christ. THAT'S what changed. Vengeance for wrong doing didn't change (I take that back...it got worse). What happened is that vengeance has been offset by the greater revelation of God's mercy.
Mercy does not mean a dumbing down of God's wrath. It means there's something greater than God's wrath--his mercy. So let's stop dumbing down the truth about God's wrath, which, as we see from the scriptures, has actually increased with the revelation of Jesus Christ, not become lessened.
bluegirl
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I like that on this forum people disagree, ask questions, and expose each other to the Lord. It's hard to be kind sometimes but everyone here truly is. I appreciate it and i NEED it and it makes a huge difference for me in my life right now. Hugs to all of you.
bluegirl
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God's wrath has ABSOLUTELY increased. And soon, it will be FINAL. For those of us who have accepted Jesus, we are thankful that in our wretchedness the Lord has mercy on us and we have mercy for each other. For those who are hard of heart and do not obey the Lord, there is nothing we can humanly do. it cannot be sugar coated. For those who cannot explain it and want to say that the Lord is being violent, I can only remark that we in our finite forms of knowing cannot understand God or his ways and logically explain his actions so to cast the Lord's judgments into the forms of human logic and reason is a mistake. It is such a grave sin to disobey the Lord because to do so is to turn to IDOLS. If we are not obeying the Lord, then, who or what are we obeying? The Lord does not want us to settle for lesser goods and lesser beauties. He truly loves his children and wants us safe and well. If we wander away and do whatever suits the human imagination then we subject ourselves to spiritual danger and have no one to blame but ourselves for refusing the Lord. God is patient and he is loving and kind but for those who simply refuse, those with reprobate minds, there is nothing for the Lord to do. His judgment is then upon them.
bluegirl
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Matthew 7 (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Jethro Bodine
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I thinks of it likes this: If I saw you sticking a fork in a toaster trying to dislodge the heel of bread that curled up in there and got stuck, I wouldn't take your freedom to do that lightly, not because I'm mean, but because I care about you. I may even smack the fork right out of your hand in an attempt to rescue you from certain electrocution. But today the reasoning is that the toaster is not as harmful as it used to be, and that we are improperly judging when we suggest that you should not stick a fork into the toaster.
bluegirl
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It's a very hard passage. My reaction to it is to fear the Lord and be
afraid of teaching false and also afraid of straying from God's will. What I do love about it, and
I hope I understand this rightly, is that a tree is good in itself, and CANNOT bear bad fruit.
I assume, I hope I understand this, that in accepting Jesus as the sacrifice for sin, a human being
becomes a good tree able to bear good fruit. But in a way has always been a good tree since the Lord
always knew they would accept his Word. This is where it is difficult, and exceeds human comprehension.
The important thing is not to take for granted this beautiful gift of Jesus but to express it with joy and love
to those one wishes to bring closer. At the same time to tremble with humility and obedience to the Lord
insofar as what he has given he can take away. The gate is indeed strait and the way narrow.
afraid of teaching false and also afraid of straying from God's will. What I do love about it, and
I hope I understand this rightly, is that a tree is good in itself, and CANNOT bear bad fruit.
I assume, I hope I understand this, that in accepting Jesus as the sacrifice for sin, a human being
becomes a good tree able to bear good fruit. But in a way has always been a good tree since the Lord
always knew they would accept his Word. This is where it is difficult, and exceeds human comprehension.
The important thing is not to take for granted this beautiful gift of Jesus but to express it with joy and love
to those one wishes to bring closer. At the same time to tremble with humility and obedience to the Lord
insofar as what he has given he can take away. The gate is indeed strait and the way narrow.
bluegirl
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The problem comes in when the person you are saving from electrocution cannot see the toaster, does not believe in toasters, has no idea that the toaster is there. Or they feel i invincible to toasters because they have the latest toaster detector.
I think Love is the best way for love soothes the beast, love softens the heart and love is the most rare commodity. Whereas talking, preaching, exhorting etc., are everywhere and flooding the world daily with opinions and truths. Turning the other cheek and loving our neighbor is the hardest thing to do and requires pride go out of the window. I have been on a knowledge 'track' for decades, in the university system, and never did that path teach me anything about the Lord. I learned about the Lord and turned to the Lord because of his love and mercy. It's a story in itself that I will not repeat here. Finally, I realized: that all the knowledge in the world was in vain when compared to being held in the safety of his arms, being as little children with Jesus. The way to teach each other is first to love each other, to help each other and even when we are right to let down our guard of pride and to love our neighbor as ourselves. This sacrifice will in turn gives plenty of time later for discussions and arguments of scriptures among brothers. But first we need to be brothers, neighbors, invite our new friends to the feast, and that first step is the hardest one.
Fish Catcher Jim
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JB that is all good but it's not my point.
You are talking about the great judgment day...Of course He will be like that then. That is sunday school stuff for we all know that.
I was replying to one point.....That God is not walking around this day with the same nature as He had before Christ and the new covenant...Think.....are there still evil people living in this earth day to day denying Christ. YES...Is God smoteing them down.........NO.............WE are under GRACE.......He is giving every one time to repent and turn from their wicked ways........It will remain this way until God says.......stop.....We are done......
Have you not read where God said He would no longer destroy man under this new covenant ??
Don't ask me for scripture reference...you look it up bro.........
Jethro Bodine
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No, never hoid of that one. But I do knows about this'n:
"For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.
But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world."
(1 Corinthians 11:29-32 NASB)
Kind of sounds like the opposite of what you are suggesting.