Bible Study FAITH, And the Knowledge of God's Righteousness

[Jethro Bodine]

If a believer in Christ has unrepentant sin, does the wrath of God abide on them?

You've changed the question. Now it can be answered. You are now asking if a believer in Christ with unrepentant sin can have the wrath of God abiding on them.

While they are a believer in Christ, no, they can not. But if they have unrepentant sin because they are abandoning their faith in Christ, then, yes, eventually God will turn them over to their unbelief and they will lose the sacrifice that turns away God's wrath and they will be subject to the wrath of God reserved for the unbelieving enemies of God.

If a believer in Jesus Christ has unknown unrepentant sin, does the wrath of God abide on them. Yes or No?

No. When they become aware of it, that is when they become responsible for it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

If a person chooses to walk outside of God's Grace, then they have chosen to walk under the law.

In the sense that they are now under the condemnation of the law, yes, the person who walks away from God's grace no longer has God's grace in the forgiveness of sin to rescue them from the condemnation of their sins.

When a person falls away, they have fallen away from the Faith once delivered to them back to the elements of the Law.

As I said, every not born again person is under the condemnation of the law. By virtue of not being protected and transformed and forgiven by God's grace they 1) become subject to the condemnation of the law, 2) the power of the law to keep them bound to sinful flesh, and, 3) condemned to earn their own righteousness by the law if they have chosen to do that in their fallen state. My experience has been people simply choose to go back to their sinful lives when they fall away from grace, not fall away to trying to earn their own righteousness--at least not consciously.

 

[ezrider]

For this person to care about sin and seek God's forgiveness for their sin is by definition faith in Christ. But surely, anyone who's on an irrational hunt for hidden sin should chill out and just let the Spirit of God bring the truth out.

No, for this person I have no doubt he loves the Lord very much, but he worries more about any unconfessed sin that he might have so that he might confess it to the Lord. As if the Lord isn't already aware of it, but the worry is the Lord would be holding something back because of it. To me it is sad to see sin have such a hold over someone who confesses the Lord Jesus Christ. Are they truly set free from the bondage of sin if the first thing they do is to look for unconfessed sin?

Now this is a person who has been a pastor and spiritual councilor for as long as Moses and the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness, yet still hungers and thirsts for the words of the scriptures, devotionals and other writings daily to be filled. As if driven by an unquenchable thirst. Do you find this person to be irrational for seeking out hidden sins?

Do you still hunger and thirst for the words of the scriptures to fill you each day? What would you do with out the words of the Bible to lean upon and to feed you? Would your Faith grow in the absence of the written word? Or would your faith whither upon the vine?

 

[ezrider]

You've changed the question. Now it can be answered. You are now asking if a believer in Christ with unrepentant sin can have the wrath of God abiding on them.

I have NOT changed the question. The QUESTION has always been: DOES THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDE ON THEM?

Your assumption here is that I changed the question by rephrasing who the subject of who this wrath was to abide upon. You could not accept the question when I said a person walking under Faith by Grace, yet you were ok with a believer in Christ?

Some might say the very definition of a believer in Christ is one who walks according to Faith under Grace. So when your objective is to challenge and muddle the meaning of Grace, it is no surprise to me then that you would have thought that I changed the question. But again, I did not. The question was always about God's abiding wrath. If you weren't so hung up upon grace, you might have seen that. But for some reason, the Grace of the Lord seems to be a sore spot with you. Why is that? Are you the jealous older brother, upset with the grace and mercy the Father has bestowed upon the prodigal son who squandered his inheritance and knew his own shame before he came home? Is he not worthy of Grace? I might wonder why you would think to mock the Grace of God!
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[Jethro Bodine]

That which pertains to the flesh is of the flesh, and that which pertains to the spirit is of the Spirit. Repentance from sin belongs to the flesh. If I have been set free, then I am free indeed. Those who have not been set free are those to whom look forward to the expectation of the wrath of God.

Look at this passage. It is the person who is willfully sinning that has nothing to look forward to except the wrath of God:

"26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES." (Hebrews 10:26-27 NASB capitals in original)

But you are saying it is those who think they have to repent of their sin that are not set free and are those who have the expectation of the wrath of God to look forward to. That's not what the passage says.

The blood pertains to the flesh, which can not inherit the kingdom, but the Spirit hath set me free from the law and that I might walk after the things of the Spirit rather than the things that pertain to the flesh.

You are the one who pointed out that the sins in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NASB are things of the flesh. So, how would being an unrepentant homosexual be considered walking "after the things of the Spirit rather than the things that pertain to the flesh"?
I'm pretty sure, even by your definition of flesh and spirit, that NOT walking in the sin of homosexuality would be walking after the things of the Spirit. But you say seeking and walking in repentance is the fleshly thing that brings the wrath of God.

 

[ezrider]

Look at this passage.

Tell me, why should I look at this passage when you have ignored all the OTHER passages I have put forth?

Just Asking

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Tell me, why should I look at this passage when you have ignored all the OTHER passages I have put forth?

Just Asking

I have addressed your contention directly.
Now, explain how it is that living in sin thwarts the wrath of God, while repenting of sin puts you 'under the law' and leaves you in the expectation of the coming wrath of God:

"26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES." (Hebrews 10:26-27 NASB capitals in original)

This passage says it is the willful sinner that has the expectation of the wrath of God.

 

[ezrider]

I have addressed your contention directly.
Now, explain how it is that living in sin thwarts the wrath of God, while repenting of sin puts you 'under the law' and leaves you in the expectation of the coming wrath of God:

"26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES." (Hebrews 10:26-27 NASB capitals in original)

This passage says it is the willful sinner that has the expectation of the wrath of God.

Sorry Jethro Bodine, but there is nothing here for me to explain to you that you would actually hear. You are not here to have a friendly conversation with a stranger, you are here looking for the contention. How can you presume to know what I have said when you have not listened to what I have said. Why do you make yourself my adversary?

You have made your boast that you keep the law when you love your neighbor. Do you love your neighbor by treating them as an adversary? Am I not your brother in Christ? Am I not your neighbor?

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[AirDancer]

Enough is enough. This thread is closed.