First Sabbath Laws

[CherubRam]

First Sabbath Laws
Constantine named himself Bishop of the Catholic Church and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance in A.D. 321.

On March 7, 321, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating: All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun.

The Council of Laodicea of around 365 decreed 59 laws, #29:
Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Christian Sabbath keepers were found by sending people out on Saturday to search for them. They would look for people congregating, and then proceed to search for religious text upon the persons for states evidence.

As a reminder, it was the Catholics that canonized the scriptures.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The canonization of scripture was only a formality. The scriptures were widely known as inspired over the known world then. It was a done deal long before. The Catholics couldn’t change the tidal wave.

 

[Mungo]

First Sabbath Laws
Constantine named himself Bishop of the Catholic Church and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance in A.D. 321.

On March 7, 321, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating: All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun.

Constantine was never a bishop of the Catholic Church.
At the time Constantine issued this edict the Church had been universally worshipping on Sunday from the early years (as I will show later). Constantine merely made it easier by granting this day as a day of rest.

The Council of Laodicea of around 365 decreed 59 laws, #29:
Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

The Synod of Laodicia was a local synod attended by about 30 clerics from Asia Minor. It dealt with some local difficulties (in this case Judaising). It was not a general Church council. It did not, and could not, make new laws for the Church.

Christian Sabbath keepers were found by sending people out on Saturday to search for them. They would look for people congregating, and then proceed to search for religious text upon the persons for states evidence.

Evidence for such a claim?

As a reminder, it was the Catholics that canonized the scriptures.

One thing you got right.

 

[Mungo]

The canonization of scripture was only a formality. The scriptures were widely known as inspired over the known world then. It was a done deal long before. The Catholics couldn’t change the tidal wave.

There were disputes on the canon until the Decree of Damasus I at the Council of Rome in 382. Even after there appears to have been some local disputes because the canon was re-affirmed by the Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397 & 419).

 

[Mungo]

Christians worshipped on Sunday from early times as the following shows.

Didache
But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. (Didache – 1st century)

Ignatius of Antioch
If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death (Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to The Magnesians, AD 110)
Epistle of Barnabus
Further, He says to them, Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure. [Isaiah 1:13] You perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. (Epistle of Barnabus, para 15 AD 117-138)

Justin Martyr
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen (Justin Martyr, First Apology, chap 67 - approx 155AD)

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[Highway54]

First Sabbath Laws
Constantine named himself Bishop of the Catholic Church and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance in A.D. 321.

On March 7, 321, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating: All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun.

The Council of Laodicea of around 365 decreed 59 laws, #29:
Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Christian Sabbath keepers were found by sending people out on Saturday to search for them. They would look for people congregating, and then proceed to search for religious text upon the persons for states evidence.

As a reminder, it was the Catholics that canonized the scriptures.

The Sabbath law was agreed to and penned into Scripture in the 1500's BCE sir. Ex 16:23

 

[Dorothy Mae]

There were disputes on the canon until the Decree of Damasus I at the Council of Rome in 382. Even after there appears to have been some local disputes because the canon was re-affirmed by the Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397 & 419).

Well that’s all the formal stuff. Fact is, christians had copied and read and found Christ in those pages long before “professionals” had objections.

 

[CherubRam]

Constantine was never a bishop of the Catholic Church.
At the time Constantine issued this edict the Church had been universally worshipping on Sunday from the early years (as I will show later). Constantine merely made it easier by granting this day as a day of rest.



The Synod of Laodicia was a local synod attended by about 30 clerics from Asia Minor. It dealt with some local difficulties (in this case Judaising). It was not a general Church council. It did not, and could not, make new laws for the Church.


Evidence for such a claim?



One thing you got right.

Catholic tradition has it that Peter was bishop of Rome.
Who had the letters of the Disciple? The Pagan Catholics, or the commandment keeping Christians; also known as the Judaizers by the Catholics.

And how did the Catholics find the Judaizers?

The Judaizing Christians were the commandment keeping Christians.

 

[CherubRam]

The Sabbath law was agreed to and penned into Scripture in the 1500's BCE sir. Ex 16:23

I see now that I should have said "First Sunday Sabbath Laws."

 

[Mungo]

Well that’s all the formal stuff. Fact is, christians had copied and read and found Christ in those pages long before “professionals” had objections.

No, it's not just the formal stuff.
There were disputes about what was scripture and what was not right up to the end of the 4th century.
There is a very interesting summary of the development of the Canon by Dave Armstrong - taken from Protestant sources. Link

 

[Mungo]

Catholic tradition has it that Peter was bishop of Rome.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with Constantine or Sabbath keeping

Who had the letters of the Disciple? The Pagan Catholics, or the commandment keeping Christians; also known as the Judaizers by the Catholics.#

Catholics are not pagans. That insult has been reported.

What "letters of the Disciple" are you referring to?

And how did the Catholics find the Judaizers?

The Judaizing Christians were the commandment keeping Christians.

What evidence do you have that the Catholic Church sought out Judaisers?

 

[Mungo]

I see now that I should have said "First Sunday Sabbath Laws."

What do you mean by "First Sunday Sabbath Laws."

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No, it's not just the formal stuff.

Yes it was. Those books were spread around the known world beyond the reach of councils.

There were disputes about what was scripture and what was not right up to the end of the 4th century.

Only among councils. Believers knew about Christ from its pages and that wasn’t in dispute.

There is a very interesting summary of the development of the Canon by Dave Armstrong - taken from Protestant sources. Link

Well, of course theologians had disputes. But the common believers became such from its pages.

 

[Free]

Catholic tradition has it that Peter was bishop of Rome.
Who had the letters of the Disciple? The Pagan Catholics, or the commandment keeping Christians; also known as the Judaizers by the Catholics.

And how did the Catholics find the Judaizers?

Please do not call Catholics pagans, as that is in violation of the ToS:

1.4: Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith. (Exodus 20:16)

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The Judaizing Christians were the commandment keeping Christians.

Whom Paul refuted.

 

[Mungo]

Yes it was. Those books were spread around the known world beyond the reach of councils.

How do you know that?
The suggestion is nonsense.
The link I gave says that between 90-160 Acts was scarcely known.

Only among councils. Believers knew about Christ from its pages and that wasn’t in dispute.

How do you know that?
The suggestion is nonsense.

Well, of course theologians had disputes. But the common believers became such from its pages.

How do you know that?
The suggestion is nonsense.

You make a lot of claims but provide no evidence for them.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

How do you know that?

Because copies are found from far flung places. The writings were copie and carried all over. There wasn’t a central library under theologians control, you know.

The suggestion is nonsense.

What’s your idea? 150 AD theologians sat on all the known copies?

The link I gave says that between 90-160 Acts was scarcely known.

To whom? The theologians? What if the other books? How is this known, who knew or had what?

How do you know that?
The suggestion is nonsense.

What’s your version? All houses in a library at the Vatican?

How do you know that?
The suggestion is nonsense.

You really don’t know that the christian faith had spread from Africa to N Europe along with written material?

You make a lot of claims but provide no evidence for them.

what evidence do you provide that all Paul’s letters etc were kept from the church?

 

[Mungo]

Because copies are found from far flung places. The writings were copie and carried all over. There wasn’t a central library under theologians control, you know.

What’s your idea? 150 AD theologians sat on all the known copies?

To whom? The theologians? What if the other books? How is this known, who knew or had what?

What’s your version? All houses in a library at the Vatican?

You really don’t know that the christian faith had spread from Africa to N Europe along with written material?

You provide zero evidence for your claims.

Moreover you posit two groups of people:

1. The ordinary people around the Roman empire who have all the writings of apostolic times and can discern which are inspired and which are not.

2. Learned theologians and apologists around the Roman empire who do not have access to all the writings of apostolic times and cannot discern which are inspired and which are not.

Can't you see that is simply not tenable?

what evidence do you provide that all Paul’s letters etc were kept from the church?

I didn't suggest such a thing.

 

[CherubRam]

Please do not call Catholics pagans, as that is in violation of the ToS:

1.4: Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith. (Exodus 20:16)

https://christianforums.net/pages/TOS/


Whom Paul refuted.

Pope Gregory and Paganism.

The attitude of the Catholic Church toward paganism is best summed up by Pope Gregory the Great, in his words to a missionary: “You must not interfere with any traditional belief or religious observance that can be harmonized with Christianity.”

Pope Gregory 540 – 12 March 604.



Not only were the Congregations divided by Gnosticism, but enticed by philosophy and paganism also, and there were geographic divisions as well.



What were the Pagan beliefs harmonized with Christianity? The answer can be found by comparing Orthodox Judaism to Paganism.

 

[CherubRam]

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Whom Paul refuted.

Judaize Galatians 2:14


YLT
Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they are not walking uprightly to the truth of the good news, I said to Peter before all, `If thou, being a Jew, in the manner of the nations dost live, and not in the manner of the Jews, how the nations dost thou compel to Judaize?

My translation
Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they were not walking uprightly according to the truth of the good news, I said to Peter before everyone, If you, being a Jew live in the manner of the nations, and not in the manner of the Jews, then how will you compel the nations to Judaize?

Before people were called Christian they were called converts to Judaism.

 

[CherubRam]

What do you mean by "First Sunday Sabbath Laws."

As far as I know, there were no Sunday Sabbath laws until then.