"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage..."?

[Consecrated Life]

Mar 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

This statement from Jesus has always been very interesting to me in that it is one of the few times that Jesus gives detailed info on the change in our very nature that will occur heaven.
I understand that Jesus was responding primarily to a question in the form a trap being laid for Him by those who sought to kill Him, but if you read between the lines He is clearly also taking the opportunity provide general information on this subject for those who love Him, and have concerns about this subject as well .
For me as a married person, Jesus is making clear that the marriage bond was designed exclusively for our life on earth and has no practical application in heaven.
But in what way ?
Since the marriage bond is a spiritual bond I do not understand how that would become nullified in the spiritual realm ?
I understand that concept that people will not fall in love and want to be married in heaven as on earth, but how does this apply to the spiritual relationship in heaven between those who are now married ?
Is Jesus saying I will not remember who my wife is?
I do not understand how anything would change as far me recognizing the person I pledged my life too?
Why / How would I not recognize who my wife is in 1000 years from now any less than I would 1000 minutes from now ?
Thoughts?

 

[Who Me]

Is it nullified in Heaven. Jesus is saying that people in Heaven don't get married, he is not saying that those who are married suddenly become unmarried.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

This is powerful, the interesting question is will we have reproduction organs in the afterlife. We will still have the ability and temptation to disobey God and live a sinful life. I believe that because we will be surrounded by perfect and sinless beings, and the opportunities to sin will not be there, but mental temptations would be there. I believe it will be the opposite of this life, in this life its possible to become sinless and never sin, but only Jesus Christ was able to do this, mainly because He came from heaven. Where there is no sin and likeness to sin and no devil to tempt Him. Single life is enjoyable in this life apart from temptation to have sex, as we will not desire sex in the afterlife naturally and mainly because we will be fully with God Who never sins, it will be awesome.

 

[for_his_glory]

In Matthew 22:23-33 The Sadducees were asking Jesus about the resurrection of whose wife would a certain woman be married to in heaven. His response in vs. 30 Jesus said: For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Being like the angels of God in heaven which never marry or procreate and are celestial we will be like them or like Jesus in His Spiritual body as none of us knows what that will look like. We for now have been given a body of flesh and bone (terrestrial) and called to multiply on the earth. There will be no more need to be married or to procreate in the New Jerusalem as there is no more death and need for increase of population. No one will be each others husband or wife in the New Jerusalem. I'm not even sure if we will even recognize each other.


If you study 1 Corinthians 15:35-49 it teaches about the resurrected body, but again, no one knows what we will look like.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Is it nullified in Heaven. Jesus is saying that people in Heaven don't get married, he is not saying that those who are married suddenly become unmarried.

So you think that married couples will still retain a close togetherness exclusive to those who were married, while
others who never married will not be able establish in heaven, even with say someone they were engaged to be married too ?
The sense of romantic attraction still being felt even for the once engaged
For me what really puts the whole thing in a completely different realm is the fact that Jesus says we will be " like the angels" in regard to this.
I know of no other place in scripture where we are described as sharing attributes of angels.
taking into account what " angels" are really like, what did Jesus mean by that ?
First of all the scripture describes angels as being exclusively male.
All being the same.
Is it this characteristic of all being the same that

In Matthew 22:23-33 The Sadducees were asking Jesus about the resurrection of whose wife would a certain woman be married to in heaven. His response in vs. 30 Jesus said: For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Being like the angels of God in heaven which never marry or procreate and are celestial we will be like them or like Jesus in His Spiritual body as none of us knows what that will look like. We for now have been given a body of flesh and bone (terrestrial) and called to multiply on the earth. There will be no more need to be married or to procreate in the New Jerusalem as there is no more death and need for increase of population. No one will be each others husband or wife in the New Jerusalem. I'm not even sure if we will even recognize each other.


If you study 1 Corinthians 15:35-49 it teaches about the resurrected body, but again, no one knows what we will look like.

FHG,
Thats very interesting and more of what I question in what Jesus is saying .
If angels do not have a circle of close angel friends or a best angel friend , they certainly would not have an angel wife ?
If the Sadducees had not been such snakes out to get Him they certainly could have asked Jesus some honest follow up questions .
Something as basic as, " Jesus are there both male and female angels?
Or, Why are all angels in the scriptures spoken of as being masculine ?
And if there are no female angels, is there any discernable difference in heaven between what was once a man and what was once a woman in angel form ?

 

[Consecrated Life]

This is powerful, the interesting question is will we have reproduction organs in the afterlife. We will still have the ability and temptation to disobey God and live a sinful life. I believe that because we will be surrounded by perfect and sinless beings, and the opportunities to sin will not be there, but mental temptations would be there. I believe it will be the opposite of this life, in this life its possible to become sinless and never sin, but only Jesus Christ was able to do this, mainly because He came from heaven. Where there is no sin and likeness to sin and no devil to tempt Him. Single life is enjoyable in this life apart from temptation to have sex, as we will not desire sex in the afterlife naturally and mainly because we will be fully with God Who never sins, it will be awesome.

I was not speaking in terms of the physical .
I was speaking of the spiritual Love connection exclusive to marriage.
That alone is fills the plate for this thread .
What you are talking about is enough to start another thread .

 

[for_his_glory]

So you think that married couples will still retain a close togetherness exclusive to those who were married, while
others who never married will not be able establish in heaven, even with say someone they were engaged to be married too ?
The sense of romantic attraction still being felt even for the once engaged
For me what really puts the whole thing in a completely different realm is the fact that Jesus says we will be " like the angels" in regard to this.
I know of no other place in scripture where we are described as sharing attributes of angels.
taking into account what " angels" are really like, what did Jesus mean by that ?
First of all the scripture describes angels as being exclusively male.
All being the same.
Is it this characteristic of all being the same that

FHG,
Thats very interesting and more of what I question in what Jesus is saying .
If angels do not have a circle of close angel friends or a best angel friend , they certainly would not have an angel wife ?
If the Sadducees had not been such snakes out to get Him they certainly could have asked Jesus some honest follow up questions .
Something as basic as, " Jesus are there both male and female angels?
Or, Why are all angels in the scriptures spoken of as being masculine ?
And if there are no female angels, is there any discernable difference in heaven between what was once a man and what was once a woman in angel form ?

We have to look within the Spiritual realm of God in which we will be in the New Jerusalem. Angels are spirit and have no gender, even though we read about them in a masculine form when they are sent to earth for God's purpose of His ministry to others. If we are going to be like Jesus then I would see no need for romantic attractions or sexual desires like here on earth.

There are no clicks between the angels as in different groups of being best friends while others are not. When Jesus says there are no marriages or those given in marriage in the New Jerusalem then I have to believe Him.

Speculations are only the imagination of the earthly mind.

 

[Consecrated Life]

We have to look within the Spiritual realm of God in which we will be in the New Jerusalem. Angels are spirit and have no gender, even though we read about them in a masculine form when they are sent to earth for God's purpose of His ministry to others.

So you think that there will be no difference between male and female in heaven,
But we will still be able to recognize our wife/husband in angel form?
That sounds like what Jesus was speaking of.
No wonder Paul said he saw things that are incomprehensible to talk about .

 

[for_his_glory]

So you think that there will be no difference between male and female in heaven,
But we will still be able to recognize our wife/husband in angel form?
That sounds like what Jesus was speaking of.
No wonder Paul said he saw things that are incomprehensible to talk about .

What I am saying is that none of us knows for sure as we can only speculate until we are there and will then know for a surety.

I can only assume when Jesus said: For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven that He is saying there is no marriage in heaven like there is here on earth.

All angels were created to be holy, enjoying the presence of God (Matthew 18:10) and the beauty of heaven (Mark 13:32). If we are as the angels in heaven this leads me to believe that we will do the same for as there will no longer be a need of a helpmate or to procreate in order to populate the New Jerusalem.

 

[Consecrated Life]

What I am saying is that none of us knows for sure as we can only speculate until we are there and will then know for a surety.

I can only assume when Jesus said: For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven that He is saying there is no marriage in heaven like there is here on earth.

Right, I understand that no marriages will occur once in heaven, what I wonder is what does that mean for those already married?
Will the marriage bond that existed on earth have any impact at all in heaven, or will it have no impact in heaven .
It is sort of confusing in that Jesus seems to be speaking about the possibility of new Marriages in heaven, yet the question the Sadducees posed to Jesus was really about how the marriage bond on earth carries over into heaven.
Kind Regards, Consecrated Life

 

[for_his_glory]

Right, I understand that no marriages will occur once in heaven, what I wonder is what does that mean for those already married?
Will the marriage bond that existed on earth have any impact at all in heaven, or will it have no impact in heaven .
It is sort of confusing in that Jesus seems to be speaking about the possibility of new Marriages in heaven, yet the question the Sadducees posed to Jesus was really about how the marriage bond on earth carries over into heaven.
Kind Regards, Consecrated Life

It's just one of those things we question that we will just have to wait and see when we get there.

 

[Edward]

Oh my gosh, as the angels in heaven means that we will not have a carnal nature.As you said, this is a spiritual thing. And why wouldn't you be able to recognize your earthly wife in Heaven? Of course you will..

The Love bond, the spiritual bond and intimacy should be retained I would think, minus the physical intimacy. I mean face it, we are going to move into a higher state of existance as spirit beings. Spirit beings with a spiritual body but we will not have the fleshly carnal desires to join with our Wife.

I doubt you will get to live with your earthly Wife in Heaven. Do you think she is yours or something?! She is on loan to you Brother as are your kids! But the Love bond, the spiritual bond that you shared on earth should continue in Heaven because it pure and based out of Love.

Marriage on earth is a dry run for Marriage to God. To teach us about covenant and working together as a family and creation of life. In Heaven, God is the ccreator and He didn't need any women to create Adam, Lol. So we best just get over the sex drive and concentrate on spiritual bonding and spiritual evolution.

So just because God loaned one His favorite girls to you doesn't mean she is yours to keep, and you better be nice to her because she is one of God's favorites!

 

[Consecrated Life]

Oh my gosh, as the angels in heaven means that we will not have a carnal nature.As you said, this is a spiritual thing. And why wouldn't you be able to recognize your earthly wife in Heaven? Of course you will..

The Love bond, the spiritual bond and intimacy should be retained I would think, minus the physical intimacy. I mean face it, we are going to move into a higher state of existance as spirit beings. Spirit beings with a spiritual body but we will not have the fleshly carnal desires to join with our Wife.

I'm with you there on the spiritual intimacy with your spouse being retained in some way, but the portion of Jesus's statement that has me wondering is that we will as the angels .
Obviously angels do not fall in Love with each other and have physical intimacy , moreover there is nothing I have ever read to indicate that the angels form singular spiritual intimacy bonds with other angels ?
So in what way will we be " like them" in relation to our spouse.
One thing I do know for certain is that whatever Jesus is suggesting it will be a good thing beyond our wildest dreams because of His love for us.
Just my nature to try and figure out the "GOOD" things before they are presented to me .
Kind Regards . Consecrated Life

 

[Edward]

So in what way will we be " like them" in relation to our spouse.
One thing I do know for certain is that whatever Jesus is suggesting it will be a good thing beyond our wildest dreams because of His love for us.
Just my nature to try and figure out the "GOOD"

We will be like them inasmuch as they do not get married or procreate. The earthly marriage coveant would be nonexistant having been fulfilled and served it's purpose. But physical sexual intimacy will not even be a concern to us in Heaven because we will be living on a higher plane of existance and dwelling in the very presence of God, and God is love so to be in the presence of His glory and love will seem to us to be so far above the best sexual bliss you have ever felt.

If a woman would say to you (in Heaven), take me, (they wont) You'll be like, what? You're very nice and I love you so but, sorry baby. As in no possible reason to pursue such a union in Heaven.

I don't believe that Angels are without gender. It's just that, they have better things to do. And they go in and out of Heaven regularly and so dwell in the presence of God themselves. To be in the presence of God overshadows sexual bliss by quite a steep magin! Lol

When we have crossed over and are in Heaven, I do think you/us will retain the closet most intimate bonding of our spirits with that sweet little girl who was our Wife, and even the fellings that go along with it...without the work!

 

[Who Me]

So you think that married couples will still retain a close togetherness exclusive to those who were married

How do you understan 1 Cor 6:16 ?

 

[Edward]

So you think that married couples will still retain a close togetherness exclusive to those who were married, while
others who never married will not be able establish in heaven, even with say someone they were engaged to be married too ?

This is actually a good question and a good roundabout way of wondering if there will be sex between a man and she, who used to be your Wife on earth and bore your children, when we are in Heaven...??

I believe the scripture is clear. No. Because God has never felt that sex outside of the marriage covenant bed is a good thing. He no likey. But on earth, God made concessions for man in the biblical days and sort of let man run wild, but it was not always so. And it will be forbidden again, in Heaven. Besides, the spiritual satisfaction of (merely?) standing in the presence of God and His glory will compare to sexual bliss like ew, oh that's something lower life forms do. Besides, the Lord desires those who would worship Him...so go worship God instead of she who used to be your Wife. Yes of couse she was very very nice and sweet, and all that. Mine was too.

But I think that it has not entered into the mind of man, nay could he even comprehend the extent of what all will happen to us when we are promoted to a higher form of life and get transformed in the twinkling of an eye? We wont want sex in the least. And perhaps the love that we had with our Wives on earth would be purified and a special bond between the two will remain. Just no sex. She will say no man, better get used to it! Lol

Maybe during the Lord's Millenial reign?! Scripture says He returns and Raptures His Bride and we go off to the Marriage supper of the Lamb while the earth is in the great tribulation...we know this because it says when He returns, all the Saints come with Him. That's everyone I think. The Bride, and all of our saved ancestors. And we live on earth while satan is bound and more souls will be saved on earth. The main harvest I think. and we live here for 1000 years and 100 years old will no longer be called old and near the end of the 1000 years satan is loosed for a little while. (Come on Lord, please! You don't really have to do that do you?!)
and then the end of this earth.
But if a man & Wife were married pre rapture, when they return with Jesus for that 1000 years, will we be married then? (I would think why not?) but we'll see I guess.
Or how about A man & Wife on earth gets married, Raises kids,gets divorced, no remarriages for either one until Jesus comes and they both get raptured...is the marriage back on again?!

 

[Degas]

Jesus is saying that people in Heaven don't get married, he is not saying that those who are married suddenly become unmarried.

That's exactly what Jesus is saying since a woman cannot have seven husbands. Obviously all seven marriages get "nullified". Read the full passage: Mark 12:19-25.

We will still have the ability and temptation to disobey God and live a sinful life

This is a very common misconception Sin is not a temptation, it is an inability, just like limping is not a temptation, it is an inability to walk 'properly'

The sense of romantic attraction still being felt even for the once engaged

Will the marriage bond that existed on earth have any impact at all in heaven, or will it have no impact in heaven .

There is no such thing as romantic love in Heaven.

No wonder Paul said he saw things that are incomprehensible to talk about .

The only reason why Paul wrote this is because he lied about going to Heaven. He never did! Plain and simple. I went to Heaven and Jesus requested me to witness. He wouldn't have if there was nothing to say. As incomprehensible as God may be, I can talk about Them and I can say precisely what They are: an unbounded ocean of infinite Peace, Love, Bliss and Knowingness. There is a very good reason why Paul never wrote such a simple definition of God: he had no clue. And just so you know, there is no such thing as a 'Third Heaven' and 2 Corinthians 12:2 is a joke: anyone who has been to Heaven knows perfectly well the difference between being in or out of their body plus, just like Jesus points out in Mark 12:25, referring to us 'as angels in Heaven', no one goes to Heaven with a physical body since, obviously, angels have no physical body

 

[Consecrated Life]

The only reason why Paul wrote this is because he lied about going to Heaven. He never did! Plain and simple. I went to Heaven and Jesus requested me to witness. He wouldn't have if there was nothing to say. As incomprehensible as God may be, I can talk about Them and I can say precisely what They are: an unbounded ocean of infinite Peace, Love, Bliss and Knowingness. There is a very good reason why Paul never wrote such a simple definition of God: he had no clue. And just so you know, there is no such thing as a 'Third Heaven' and 2 Corinthians 12:2 is a joke: anyone who has been to Heaven knows perfectly well the difference between being in or out of their body plus, just like Jesus points out in Mark 12:25, referring to us 'as angels in Heaven', no one goes to Heaven with a physical body since, obviously, angels have no physical body

Why would Paul lie about it ?
Anyone who would fabricate such a fantastic lie, would certainly be in the habit of concocting fantastic tales on a regular basis.
Yes ? No ?
What other things do you think Paul lied about in keeping with this habit think he had ?

 

[Degas]

Why would Paul lie about it ?
Anyone who would fabricate such a fantastic lie, would certainly be in the habit of concocting fantastic tales on a regular basis.
Yes ? No ?
What other things do you think Paul lied about in keeping with this habit think he had ?

I never said Paul made it a habit to lie. But I did explain why his alleged visit to the third heaven is a lie. You either hear it or you don't. Now, if you want another example of Paul's lie, read my webpage and check out the proofs that Paul also lied about Jesus appearing to him on the road to Damascus and making him an apostle.

 

[Consecrated Life]

I never said Paul made it a habit to lie. But I did explain why his alleged visit to the third heaven is a lie. You either hear it or you don't. Now, if you want another example of Paul's lie, read my webpage and check out the proofs that Paul also lied about Jesus appearing to him on the road to Damascus and making him an apostle.

If none of it happened what was it then that you think turned Paul from a persecutor/tormentor of Christ into a promoter of Christ ?