Found favor:

[jasonc]

God had sex with Mary ?

Seriously ?

Yet in no vision of John is Mary seen.not even before the throne Of God .funny in the Catholic tradition Mary is always seated near Jesus .Mary likely older then John and dead by the John's vision.nothing seen on her .the 24 elders each having thrones ,tossing their crowns before God and singing praises .no Mary at all

 

[jasonc]

Where Is Mary’s Assumption in the Bible?

The dogma of the Assumption teaches that at the end of her time on earth, Mary was taken up—body and soul—into heaven. There, she sits at her Son’s right hand, as Queen of Heaven and Earth. The foundation for the teaching is rooted in Scripture, specifically in John’s mysterious and apocalyp

stpaulcenter.com

 

[jasonc]

And the woman was led to wilderness ,s place prepared by God ..

The child went to Gods throne .not Mary .

 

[donadams]

What is the new song of salvation?

Psalm 33:3, 40:3, 96:1, 98:1, and 149:1

Psalm 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.

Psalm 40:3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord.

Psalm 96:1 O sing unto the Lord a new song: sing unto the Lord, all the earth.

Psalm 98:1 O sing unto the Lord a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.

Psalm 149:1 Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.

The new song of salvation:

Hail Mary, full of Grace!
Blessed art thou among all women! Lk 1:28 & Lk 1:45 & Lk 1:48

All generations shall call me blessed! Lk 1:48

A new song of thanksgiving for bringing our salvation!

And Mary found our salvation lost by Adam! Lk 1:30

And thanksgiving for the incarnation of Jesus Christ! The word was made flesh and dwelt among us thanks to Mary’s “yes” consenting to our salvation! Lk 1:38

Christ is our salvation: Lk 2:30

I hope you will obey Lk 1:48 and say Hail Mary; full of grace!
Heb 4:16 Mary’s throne of grace
Jesus Christ is the source of all grace merited by His life death and resurrection come thru Mary to us all! Thanks

 

[donadams]

He also said the whole need not a physician,

Mary:my Lord and my savior.

If Jesus wasn't her savior as she didn't need him for her soul.she wasn't lost or a sinner ,why would she say that ?

All the fathers and the church has always believed and taught Mary was immaculate pure and sinless, Jesus Christ is the only savior, but he saves in two ways: one is to forgive our past sins and to preserve us by his grace from future sins. Mary was preserved from original and all sins by the powerful grace of God cos she was to be the mother of God and mother of our salvation!
Hope this helps

 

[jasonc]

All the fathers and the church has always believed and taught Mary was immaculate pure and sinless, Jesus Christ is the only savior, but he saves in two ways: one is to forgive our past sins and to preserve us by his grace from future sins. Mary was preserved from original and all sins by the powerful grace of God cos she was to be the mother of God and mother of our salvation!
Hope this helps

So she didn't die?

If she was not adamic In nature the curse wouldn't affect her.
Therefore Jesus made his own Mother and she has no father or mother naturally .

That negates Jesus from having any lineage to David .

 

[donadams]

So she didn't die?

If she was not adamic In nature the curse wouldn't affect her.
Therefore Jesus made his own Mother and she has no father or mother naturally .

That negates Jesus from having any lineage to David .

No Mary was conceived in her parents naturally but preserved from the stain of original sin and filled with the grace of God.

Yes Mary died.

Can the Holy Ghost overshadow a sinner? Lk 1:35

Can the Holy Ghost conceive in a sinner? Matt 1:20

Can a sinner bear the Holy savior? The Holy Son of God? Lk 1:35

Ex 25 see how holy, pure, and consecrated to God’s holy purpose:


Immaculate conception (sinless)

gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!

Lk 1:28 full of grace

Lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus)

Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity, filled with the plentitude of divine grace!

 

[jasonc]

No Mary was conceived in her parents naturally but preserved from the stain of original sin and filled with the grace of God.

Yes Mary died.

Can the Holy Ghost overshadow a sinner? Lk 1:35

Can the Holy Ghost conceive in a sinner? Matt 1:20

Can a sinner bear the Holy savior? The Holy Son of God? Lk 1:35

Ex 25 see how holy, pure, and consecrated to God’s holy purpose:


Immaculate conception (sinless)

gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!

Lk 1:28 full of grace

Lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus)

Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity, filled with the plentitude of divine grace!

The the sin curse ,a righteous person doesn't die as the sin curse didn't affect .Jesus died because God ordained a sinless man to pay the price .

Mary on the other hand .

She was born in sin ,the curse affected her .otherwise death would have no affect on her.

She has no sin .death has no power of those dead to it .

Mary in own argument is dead to sin.

 

[donadams]

The the sin curse ,a righteous person doesn't die as the sin curse didn't affect .Jesus died because God ordained a sinless man to pay the price .

Mary on the other hand .

She was born in sin ,the curse affected her .otherwise death would have no affect on her.

She has no sin .death has no power of those dead to it .

Mary in own argument is dead to sin.

Yes but she chose to be conformed to her divine sin in all things
Also
Because of Her immaculate Conception and being filled with the plenitude of divine grace Mary from her mother’s womb saw the beatific vision of God in heaven on His throne, and was consumed with love and desire for God and His will, she dedicated and consecrated her entire being to Him forever, and began interceding and imploring God’s grace and mercy! Matt 5:8
The pure of heart shall see God.
Thanks

 

[jasonc]

Yes but she chose to be conformed to her divine sin in all things
Also
Because of Her immaculate Conception and being filled with the plenitude of divine grace Mary from her mother’s womb saw the beatific vision of God in heaven on His throne, and was consumed with love and desire for God and His will, she dedicated and consecrated her entire being to Him forever, and began interceding and imploring God’s grace and mercy! Matt 5:8
The pure of heart shall see God.
Thanks

Yes yet John doesn't see her at all in heaven on her throne .

The last book is literally a vision of Jesus .

The word acopholypse mean to reveal.

No mention of mary next to Jesus .
The vision of the One in the throne is Jesus .
Strange

 

[donadams]

Yes yet John doesn't see her at all in heaven on her throne .

The last book is literally a vision of Jesus .

The word acopholypse mean to reveal.

No mention of mary next to Jesus .
The vision of the One in the throne is Jesus .
Strange

Scripture is primarily to establish Jesus Christ the king
Mary’s throne is found in heb 4:16
An excellent source is the mystical city of God by ven. Mary of agreda it’s online or youtube
Thanks

 

[jasonc]

Scripture is primarily to establish Jesus Christ the king
Mary’s throne is found in heb 4:16
An excellent source is the mystical city of God by ven. Mary of agreda it’s online or youtube
Thanks

The throne of grace isn't what the Catholics call it .

It's the throne of wisdom .

No.i don't buy extra biblical sources .oral sages have their points but even jewry that's not scripture but a way to see it .

Hebrews mention we have a throne whereby we can enter because if grace.

Noah is pointing to the cross not Mary .the interior of the ark wasnt God .but Gods vessel to protect man from the flood of judgment

 

[donadams]

The throne of grace isn't what the Catholics call it .

It's the throne of wisdom .

No.i don't buy extra biblical sources .oral sages have their points but even jewry that's not scripture but a way to see it .

Hebrews mention we have a throne whereby we can enter because if grace.

Noah is pointing to the cross not Mary .the interior of the ark wasnt God .but Gods vessel to protect man from the flood of judgment

The mystical city of God is a four volume work by ven. Mary of agreda the real flying nun who though was on a cloistered convent in Spain was see by native Americans in 17th century as a missionary preparing them to receive Christian baptism which over 500,000 came to faith in Christ, Her great works explain the mysteries in the life of Mary, Joseph, and Jesus. Thanks

 

[jasonc]

The mystical city of God is a four volume work by ven. Mary of agreda the real flying nun who though was on a cloistered convent in Spain was see by native Americans in 17th century as a missionary preparing them to receive Christian baptism which over 500,000 came to faith in Christ, Her great works explain the mysteries in the life of Mary, Joseph, and Jesus. Thanks

Sorry that's not in the bible .

Mormon John Smith saw Jesus and we'll they have an extra bible too and set of beliefs .

Those same indians who were enslaved by the Spaniards uh uh.

Look I live near two accounts of early Florida exploration .

The man William bartrams southern. Most point reached .the area where Jonathan Dickinson met with the ais who feared not revered the Spanish and the wreck site ,park name sake.

I have heard no mention of that by the local Seminole lore .

 

[donadams]

Sorry that's not in the bible .

Mormon John Smith saw Jesus and we'll they have an extra bible too and set of beliefs .

Those same indians who were enslaved by the Spaniards uh uh.

Look I live near two accounts of early Florida exploration .

The man William bartrams southern. Most point reached .the area where Jonathan Dickinson met with the ais who feared not revered the Spanish and the wreck site ,park name sake.

I have heard no mention of that by the local Seminole lore .

How can you possibly compare a charlatan like smith to a holy nun who lives under strict obedience and faithfulness, only God can work true miracles, the natives came the missionaries asking for baptism and asked how did they know about baptism they said the lady in blue taught us! Thanks
John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

 

[jasonc]

How can you possibly compare a charlatan like smith to a holy nun who lives under strict obedience and faithfulness, only God can work true miracles, the natives came the missionaries asking for baptism and asked how did they know about baptism they said the lady in blue taught us! Thanks
John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Because holy ?
So plenty of Mormons and jw live berter then those Catholics and protestants .

Both teach the lists of sins.

So the ais ,the first attempts to convert in ameruca occured in my state .
It was abandoned with twenty years .

The ais killed a few monks .the teqesta as well and the the j named tribe that actually eat the first Thanksgiving with pince de Leon killed the monks as well.

The old monestary happens to still around in st Augustine that was built in the mid 1700s .but over all in my state no local Indians came to the Catholic way . I have not heard that .funny I downloaded a map showing a few Spanish royal land grants .

St.augustine and it's earlier settlement that was abandoned (Pensacola) fit that time frame .

The incans ones and Aztec and Mayans do fit that but Florida accounts are first . Given how the Catholic missionary lust left in Florida by the turn of the century I find that unlikely .

That said ,the source is a vision.i don't even buy charismatic visions that say things like that .

 

[donadams]

Because holy ?
So plenty of Mormons and jw live berter then those Catholics and protestants .

Both teach the lists of sins.

So the ais ,the first attempts to convert in ameruca occured in my state .
It was abandoned with twenty years .

The ais killed a few monks .the teqesta as well and the the j named tribe that actually eat the first Thanksgiving with pince de Leon killed the monks as well.

The old monestary happens to still around in st Augustine that was built in the mid 1700s .but over all in my state no local Indians came to the Catholic way . I have not heard that .funny I downloaded a map showing a few Spanish royal land grants .

St.augustine and it's earlier settlement that was abandoned (Pensacola) fit that time frame .

The incans ones and Aztec and Mayans do fit that but Florida accounts are first . Given how the Catholic missionary lust left in Florida by the turn of the century I find that unlikely .

That said ,the source is a vision.i don't even buy charismatic visions that say things like that .

What about ours lady of Guadalupe and the conversion of 9 million sun worshiping pagan Indians to faith in Christ in Mexico late 1400’s into the 1500’s thanks

 

[jasonc]

What about ours lady of Guadalupe and the conversion of 9 million sun worshiping pagan Indians to faith in Christ in Mexico late 1400’s into the 1500’s thanks

Nope.
The Mayan culture of if which I met remains and they don't speak Spanish .
They look Mexican but aren't all.

Your account is in Texas and most Mayans actually practice a mix of pagan and catholicism

Sorry basing bible theology on visions that add to the bible is no better then rnd Mormons .

You just assume it's not .

The early church calling itself catholic that put the bible together didn't bass theology on that .

Bilocation ? That whackiness probably exists in charismatic circles and the persons there claims to raise the dead . the closest verse to that is Stephen but he was actually carried by the spirit not remaining in one land and seen by another .

This claim of your reminds me of the charismatic equivalent.im skeptical of huns laying for hours instances and making claims .I'm skeptical of being slain in the spirit .there are some questionable things people say when they have visions .

 

[Aussie Mark]

A biblical principal is applied equally to all things
“He who is faithful in little matters is faithful in great matters” does not have to mean money

but God’s throne is the great white throne and is described in revelation very differently from the throne of grace, care to try again?
Thanks

You cannot compare the description of a throne in an allegorical/metaphorical vision in Revelation with the throne in a letter like Hebrews and just say that they are different thrones.

One is a "throne of grace" and the other a throne made of gold. That is not a comparison on which any posiiton could be taken to say they are two thrones.

I have no idea if you have read Hebrews from start to end, but that is the only way to understand the term "throne of grace" in context as it is being used as part of a case for Jesus' absolute supremacy & sufficiency as mediator of God's grace. There is zero mention or inference of Mary in any of this letter.

Ironically enough our church is starting a series on Hebrews in the upcoming weeks and I assume we wil be starting from the very beginning of the book and pulling it apart chapter by chapter. We live stream our morning service and it is then available on YouTube to view. More than happy to send you the link.

 

[donadams]

Nope.
The Mayan culture of if which I met remains and they don't speak Spanish .
They look Mexican but aren't all.

Your account is in Texas and most Mayans actually practice a mix of pagan and catholicism

Sorry basing bible theology on visions that add to the bible is no better then rnd Mormons .

You just assume it's not .

The early church calling itself catholic that put the bible together didn't bass theology on that .

Bilocation ? That whackiness probably exists in charismatic circles and the persons there claims to raise the dead . the closest verse to that is Stephen but he was actually carried by the spirit not remaining in one land and seen by another .

This claim of your reminds me of the charismatic equivalent.im skeptical of huns laying for hours instances and making claims .I'm skeptical of being slain in the spirit .there are some questionable things people say when they have visions .

I’m not going to defend the charismaniacs
Bilocation is common in the saints
Lk 1:37
They who believe shall do greater works than these
Thanks