fraud and medical malpratice.exposed

[johnny botwright]

For sure there are people suffering, who need love care understanding support, this is more about
psychiatrists exposing the fraud of psychiatry, claiming not only are they making diagnoses that in reality do not exsist, also alot of diagnoses they are making, that do exsist, they are diagnosing people, young to old, incorrectly, the treatments are wrong,

but hey they are do very nicely as is a trillion dollar, drug industry, the long term effects on people who have been victims of this, had you watched the second the video mentioned which did not load here , which can be seen at

http://www.davidicke.com/forums/ in the general forum, now will be on page 5/6

post called psychiatrists expose the fraud of psychiatry

it shows the scale of the fraud, but also people share about not how they have been helped, but how their lives have been destroyed, by what they have been subjected to.

here in the UK not so much now, people would go to their G.P and it jut seemed one prescription followed another,

people started being dependent on any number of pills , the end result for some the end result was worst than the intial circumstance.
like Doc mentions how vunrable children, young people, are to this system, who have no real say in their treatment, the decision is made for them.
some thing i experenced having been framed and detained, from that moment on, you have no rights, no say in what you are subjected to, with or with out your consent, by force you are drugged, heavly drugged.

this is not how you cure people, it was blantent mal pratice on a mass scale.

lets say you hit a bit of a low point, people go through cycles as such, come through, but just say, you were during this time diagnosed as b p but infact it was the wrong diagnose. and then under went treatment accordingly, were would your life be six months from now.

like wise if you went to a consultant who tolled you you had cancer, what is the psycological impact.

also occures when you are diagnosed , and are lead to believe diagnoses apply to your self, but the truth be tolled, they are in correct, johnny

 

[jasoncran]

All it proves is people are moody animals....and some are more moody than others. I don't doubt that there are more people who are more moody in these times than before because of environmental factors. I'm not gone fall for the Hegelian dialect, but if you wanna give your family mind altering dangerous drugs to make them conform to your idea of society then go for it. Were these bipolar people who got the brain scans on a course of medication or had they been in the past per chance?



You'd love to get your hands on me wouldnt ya? Sometime soon in the future what you say will come to pass when speakers of the truth will be labotomised for 'clinical diseases' like homophobia, Hate Speech vilolator and conspiracy disorder.



Hmmm. Explains a lot. But rather than trust you I'm gonna have to go with the Dr's that Johnny cited in his first post and my own God given common sense. I know that you are the world authority on every subject under the sun an'all but...ya know.



Of course coz corruption, evil and medical malpractice died out in the 50's! Didn't you hear guys?

Perrrrrrrlease.

so realy what is the cure for my wifes bi-polar? when she hears voices and has incessant bouts of insommonia and also paranoia., or cries.


yet her meds stops all that.

i have had a coworker that was in a car wreck yrs ago and has brain damage.

he went off his meds and stopped working one day and stood there staring in the sky.

he went to the hospital for a month,they got him fixed and and even fixed the stutter.

wanna know something he is a believer
and i know one believer who is cured of this illness and she advised me not to take my wife of her meds on that the lord must heal her and she will know when that happened.

lol, i being a former bisexual and accused of homophobia all the time. will aslo be under that knife.

afraid to die. i am not.

i have faced death and lived. if god chooses then i will die.

today is a good day to die.

and i dont even like shrinks. i have never went to a doc save twice for my ptsd bout. the lord healed it.

but he did tell me that i had it. the army made me go and the doc confirmed what i had.

if you have the cure sl for these psychosis then please submit them so that they can be tested after all mri's do confirm brain activity. and whether or not they are cured.

they have located where certian emotions are stored via activity.

so when you sell these "cures" can i sue if they dont work after all they should work.

 

[Nick]

Please people, have a bit more respect for those suffering in intense phsycological pain. There are posters here that are very close these very real mental disorders that do exist, and are not just 'mood swings'. I am not going to debate this.

Official warnings and the closure of this thread can easliy be done.

 

[johnny botwright]

you miss the real theme of the thread, the people whose lives have been destroyed by being wrongly diagnosed,

wrongly treated, by people more intrested in their account, than their patients well being,

if some one tomorrow tolled you for example you were HIV posative, massive impact on your life, you receive treatment accordingly, only to find out some years later , you are not HIV posative, how would you feel. johnny

 

[Lance_Iguana]

you miss the real theme of the thread, the people whose lives have been destroyed by being wrongly diagnosed,

Yes its sad and horrible. Though without this happening, we wouldn't learn anything. People want to be cured and seek help because they want to get better. Sometimes it dose the opposite effect, but after such cases precautions are put in place to keep incidents from happening again, and we learn from it.

wrongly treated, by people more intrested in their account, than their patients well being,

Or its possible that medical technology hadn't caught up yet and doctors where doing the best they could with the information they had.

if some one tomorrow tolled you for example you were HIV posative, massive impact on your life, you receive treatment accordingly, only to find out some years later , you are not HIV posative, how would you feel. johnny

Thankful I don't have HIV. Of course I would be mad, but I would also want to know why I was diagnosed wrong. Maybe we could learn from it and better help out medicine?

 

[johnny botwright]

its also about the long term effects of these drugs, espiecialy when used on younger people, or perents go down this road for their child, being led to believe is the best way forward for their child, others may see it as an easier option of control, ?

i was framed and detained, forced agaisnt my will, if some one wanted to inject you with a load of drugs what would your reaction, if you resist as i did, you have to use force.
so this they think justifys their action.

eventualy being over powered and injected, its along the same lines as being raped. if you think it through, you are being voilated. to a certain degree.

You are forced down, held down agaisnt your will, some thing is injected into you, that will cause you psychlogical distress. pain. dis comfort.

i was forced injected with threedifferent kind of drugs, the side effects were bad very bad,worse than any illness. you then had to take drugs to counter act the side effects.

they had no idea what levals of drugs to use, in my case it was admitted , they had completly over done it,
even the dinner ladies were i was detained were complaining at what i was being subjected to.

so they stopped, so when i was able before they started again, i was able to escape.
if you had been subjected to these drugs you would know where im coming from, i saw people just sitting dribbling, brain dead, some people having spasms.

many left unable to function johnny

 

[Strangelove]

Please people, have a bit more respect for those suffering in intense phsycological pain. There are posters here that are very close these very real mental disorders that do exist, and are not just 'mood swings'. I am not going to debate this.

Official warnings and the closure of this thread can easliy be done.

I respect the fact that some here may be vulnerable to hurt from a discussion like this Nick. That's understandable.

But does that mean that we're not allowed to talk about Psychiatric malpractice?

Maybe me and Johnny and a few others can make a private study group on this issue?

Would that be ok?

Doc.

 

[Strangelove]

You think Bipolar disorder equals moody?

Bipolar Disorder Definition:

A mood disorder sometimes called manic-depressive illness or manic-depression that characteristically involves cycles of depression and elation or mania. Sometimes the mood switches from high to low and back again are dramatic and rapid, but more often they are gradual and slow, and intervals of normal mood may occur between the high (manic) and low (depressive) phases of the condition. The symptoms of both the depressive and manic cycles may be severe and often lead to impaired functioning.

Moody = mood swings. With all due respect.....we all get this. We all have intense mood swings. It's human nature.

5 minutes ago I had a very disagreeable customer in my shop. He wanted to look and ask questions about everything I had. He ended up not buying anything. I was in a great mood before that, happily playing with my son. I came back upstairs and noticed my son playing with something he shouldn't, one of my special marker pens. I absolutely lost my rag with him. I shouted very loud and I saw the shock in his face. The mood swing clearly effected my functioning.

This kind of thing happens fairly frequently. Sometimes little things that shouldn't annoy me get the better of my nature and I will externalise it in ways that are illogical and unfair. Sometimes I'm really happy and sometimes I get depressed. Some weeks I'm consistent in my outlook and some weeks my moods change with the wind. Does this mean I am Bipolar and need to take corrective medication?

Can anyone here honestly say that stuff like that doesn't happen to them?

How can a christian claim to know god when he doesn't even want to know and empathize with the real plight of his own fellow man?

It's only the real plight of my fellow man I'm interested in friend.

I hope that Nick allows the discussion to continue coz I really feel this is an important subject in the world we live in today.

 

[jasoncran]

bi polar is far more then mood swings.

its also a obessive compulsive nature to it. and it also has the swings are soo extreme that one day you feel like you want to die, then the next day it can be the top of the world. and you dont notice it.

you also have loss of short term memory, unable to concentrate. inability to cope with stress.

insommonia.

thus the types one and two. some persons that are afflicted can work other cant.

my wife cant.

 

[jasoncran]

bi polar is far more then mood swings.

its also a obessive compulsive nature to it. and it also has the swings are soo extreme that one day you feel like you want to die, then the next day it can be the top of the world. and you dont notice it.

you also have loss of short term memory, unable to concentrate. inability to cope with stress.

insommonia.

thus the types one and two. some persons that are afflicted can work other cant.

my wife cant.

from nimh.gov.
People with bipolar disorder experience unusually intense emotional states that occur in distinct periods called "mood episodes." An overly joyful or overexcited state is called a manic episode, and an extremely sad or hopeless state is called a depressive episode. Sometimes, a mood episode includes symptoms of both mania and depression. This is called a mixed state. People with bipolar disorder also may be explosive and irritable during a mood episode.

Extreme changes in energy, activity, sleep, and behavior go along with these changes in mood. It is possible for someone with bipolar disorder to experience a long-lasting period of unstable moods rather than discrete episodes of depression or mania.

A person may be having an episode of bipolar disorder if he or she has a number of manic or depressive symptoms for most of the day, nearly every day, for at least one or two weeks. Sometimes symptoms are so severe that the person cannot function normally at work, school, or home.

Symptoms of bipolar disorder are described below.

Symptoms of mania or a manic episode include: Symptoms of depression or a depressive episode include:
Mood Changes

A long period of feeling "high," or an overly happy or outgoing mood
Extremely irritable mood, agitation, feeling "jumpy" or "wired."
Behavioral Changes

Talking very fast, jumping from one idea to another, having racing thoughts
Being easily distracted
Increasing goal-directed activities, such as taking on new projects
Being restless
Sleeping little
Having an unrealistic belief in one's abilities
Behaving impulsively and taking part in a lot of pleasurable,
high-risk behaviors, such as spending sprees, impulsive sex, and impulsive business investments.
Mood Changes

A long period of feeling worried or empty
Loss of interest in activities once enjoyed, including sex.
Behavioral Changes

Feeling tired or "slowed down"
Having problems concentrating, remembering, and making decisions
Being restless or irritable
Changing eating, sleeping, or other habits
Thinking of death or suicide, or attempting suicide.


In addition to mania and depression, bipolar disorder can cause a range of moods, as shown on the scale.




One side of the scale includes severe depression, moderate depression, and mild low mood. Moderate depression may cause less extreme symptoms, and mild low mood is called dysthymia when it is chronic or long-term. In the middle of the scale is normal or balanced mood.

At the other end of the scale are hypomania and severe mania. Some people with bipolar disorder experience hypomania. During hypomanic episodes, a person may have increased energy and activity levels that are not as severe as typical mania, or he or she may have episodes that last less than a week and do not require emergency care. A person having a hypomanic episode may feel very good, be highly productive, and function well. This person may not feel that anything is wrong even as family and friends recognize the mood swings as possible bipolar disorder. Without proper treatment, however, people with hypomania may develop severe mania or depression.

During a mixed state, symptoms often include agitation, trouble sleeping, major changes in appetite, and suicidal thinking. People in a mixed state may feel very sad or hopeless while feeling extremely energized.

Sometimes, a person with severe episodes of mania or depression has psychotic symptoms too, such as hallucinations or delusions. The psychotic symptoms tend to reflect the person's extreme mood. For example, psychotic symptoms for a person having a manic episode may include believing he or she is famous, has a lot of money, or has special powers. In the same way, a person having a depressive episode may believe he or she is ruined and penniless, or has committed a crime. As a result, people with bipolar disorder who have psychotic symptoms are sometimes wrongly diagnosed as having schizophrenia, another severe mental illness that is linked with hallucinations and delusions.

People with bipolar disorder may also have behavioral problems. They may abuse alcohol or substances, have relationship problems, or perform poorly in school or at work. At first, it's not easy to recognize these problems as signs of a major mental illness.

 

[Nick]

I respect the fact that some here may be vulnerable to hurt from a discussion like this Nick. That's understandable.

Thankyou.

But does that mean that we're not allowed to talk about Psychiatric malpractice?

No it doesn't. But being aware that others may be very sensetive to this kind of topic is a good idea. It's not good for this site at all for members to be giving advice to other members to stop their medication. That can open up a whole can of legal worms. I didn't say you did that, just saying it.

Maybe me and Johnny and a few others can make a private study group on this issue?

Would that be ok?

Doc.

At this point in time the Private Bible Study is for Bible Studies only. Perhaps in the future the scope may be widened, but not at this stage.

 

[Strangelove]

bi polar is far more then mood swings.

its also a obessive compulsive nature to it. and it also has the swings are soo extreme that one day you feel like you want to die, then the next day it can be the top of the world. and you dont notice it.

you also have loss of short term memory, unable to concentrate. inability to cope with stress.

insommonia.

thus the types one and two. some persons that are afflicted can work other cant.

my wife cant.

Everyone experiences states like this. It's all in how you word it. You could say you feel you want to die. I would say I feel a period of utter hopelessness. But we've gone from having changing terms for emotions, to the application of dangerous drugs to treat these states. How did that happen?

Whats the difference between taking legal drugs to relieve stress and smoking some pot which does the same. Man's laws? Or should we look to God's laws?

You know how I cope with my insomnia? I dont go to bed till 4am when I'm dog tired!

We are told in the Bible that drugs will decieve the nations and that we should repent from that.

I'm sorry but there is no good reason to take mind altering drugs. We all have mood swings. Sometimes intense ones. All of us humans.

Doc.

 

[Nick]

I'm sorry but there is no good reason to take mind altering drugs. We all have mood swings. Sometimes intense ones. All of us humans..

What if the drugs work?

 

[Strangelove]

No it doesn't. But being aware that others may be very sensetive to this kind of topic is a good idea. It's not good for this site at all for members to be giving advice to other members to stop their medication. That can open up a whole can of legal worms. I didn't say you did that, just saying it.

Holy moly...are you serious Nick?

I want this to be absoulutely clear so theres no confusion....are you saying that if some Brethren on these forums advices someone to turn away from medication to treat (specifically) a psychiatric condition, then there could be legal consequences to the owners of the site?

 

[Strangelove]

What if the drugs work?

Oh don't get me wrong...I KNOW the drugs work. I am fully aware of the phamcalogical effects that chemicals have on the body.

They work alright buddy. No question. But that's not the issue is it.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I'm biased here b/c I benefit from psychiatric drugs--specifically, one of the newer "atypical" drugs that hit the market recently--but I think its important to realize that there are cases where the benefits clearly outweigh the risks. I'm one of those cases. Yes, I have to pay $$$ every month for a drug that isn't even fun to take, and then I have to take loads of vitamins+supplements on top of it (OK, don't have to, but would prefer to), but at the end of the day, I'm actually functioning.

I don't believe in forced treatment. I honestly think a lot of psychiatric diagnoses are worthless...at the end of the day, what matters is what drug(s) work to get you functioning, and what risks those drugs have versus leaving your issues untreated. Do I think psychiatry is treating way too many people with way too many powerful drugs? Oh yeah, you bet I do. I've seen it happens with acquaintances of mine--they have relatively minor "problems in living" so they go to a shrink. Or to a therapist who sends them to a shrink. Then before you know it, they're on 2-4 powerful drugs every single day, with questionable results. That's not just dangerous, its a waste of time, money, and resources that should be spent on people who are dealing with SERIOUS problems, like hearing voices, paranoia, suicidal/violent tendencies, so on and so forth.

But, the drugs, particularly the antipsychotics, lithium, and "mood stabilizers" (usually anti-convulsant drugs) can make a tremendous improvement in people's quality of life, when they are prescribed rationally, in reasonable doses, and to the right patients. My wild guess is that if psychiatrists were to restrict themselves to treating people who needed and could benefit from drug treatment, psychiatry as a specialty would become a lot less lucrative. I mean, if only 1-3% of the population is disabled enough to need treatment, and then all you really have to do is get them stable and see them every 6-12 weeks to make sure they're doing OK, where will all the $$$ come from? I like my shrink now, but when I move, I plan on either just getting my meds off the net from India (cheap generics!) or going to family doc.

 

[johnny botwright]

thanks for every ones input, normaly a tabbo subject, stigma ect, getting things in the right perspective, balance, is good for every ones under standing.

the other thing i wittnessed, i was trying to escape at every opportunity, two failed attempts, succesful on my third time.

people were queing up to get in there, bed, warmth, food, tv music, hot bath, and the Smarty trolley, espiecialy drug users, billions are laundered through drug cartells, how much is made through drug companies, drugs are big bucks.
pcychiatrists become the dealers.?

and yes some do work, and yes some are needed.
johnny

 

[johnny botwright]

The trick questions, if you were asked , do you believe in a higher intellegence, out side of your self,

most of us would answer yes, as i did,

on the report, he believes he is controlled by aliens, never said that, just answered yes to the question, let your yes be yes and our no be no.

delusional psychosis the conclusion. like i said some of these people could not diagnose a dead stuffed parrot.

i supose i could always say E.T made me do it.

If you have an invisable friend, you get psychotic for that one. johnny

 

[Nick]

Holy moly...are you serious Nick?

I want this to be absoulutely clear so theres no confusion....are you saying that if some Brethren on these forums advices someone to turn away from medication to treat (specifically) a psychiatric condition, then there could be legal consequences to the owners of the site?

If this site is seen to be advising people to abandon their medication and then those people die or become seriously ill, I can't say for sure what would happen, but they could get the authorities involved. It is possible, and I think we need to be very careful when discussing this.

Oh don't get me wrong...I KNOW the drugs work. I am fully aware of the phamcalogical effects that chemicals have on the body.

They work alright buddy. No question. But that's not the issue is it.

So if they work, then what is the issue? Why can't we benefit from the advances in medicine?

 

[theLords]

I thought this thread was going to be about criminals who steal from Medicare and other insurance companies, well then... I will :nod