Bible Study Free from all sin now?

[kickedoutofchurch]

Hi. I want to share something I have been hearing for a while as I study and think about what the written Word says. It is powerfully AWESOME and very few current pastors and teachers see it (yet!). But I am sharing with them and have been for some time. I pray the Lord speaks to us all personally on this.

Do you know that the Bible says Jesus REALLY did remove or "take away" ALL OUR SIN?

How?

It is through the amazing and powerful miracle of spiritual (TRUE) circumcision where God separated our inner and TRUE man from the flesh or the false, dead outer man who is under law and will fully die and dissolve. Our true being is the inner man is our "heart" and he will be fully released once our external body dies. This (inner) person IS fully sinless and can NOT sin. This is the true meaning of 1 John 3:6 and 1 John 3:9. He is Jesus himself who IS our life according to Paul in Colossians 3:3-4. This is why when he "appears" we will be "like him" as Paul told us.

I shared today at the below link. God bless you and may these words feed you life as you ponder them and dig into the scriptures.

edited reba

Duane (kickedoutofchurch)

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus was teaching Nicodemus that it was a Spiritual rebirth or renewal of our spirit that through Gods spoken word we can reconcile our past sins through repentance to be made sinless again before God. We are all born with a sin nature because of sin being introduced into the world through Satan’s deceit when he told Eve it was alright to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil even though God forbid them to eat of it. Our flesh will always sin because the flesh is never in obedience to God.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Sin separates us from God because God is a spirit and can only recognize his own children by what spirit is living in their hearts. We have to renew, rebirth - born again, Gods Spirit within us in order to be called a child of God and see the kingdom of heaven. We now put off the old man (flesh) and put on the new man (Spirit). We are renewed by the word of God and through the Holy Spirit teaching us of all things.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Colossians 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

 

[kickedoutofchurch]

Jesus was teaching Nicodemus that it was a Spiritual rebirth or renewal of our spirit that through Gods spoken word we can reconcile our past sins through repentance to be made sinless again before God. We are all born with a sin nature because of sin being introduced into the world through Satan’s deceit when he told Eve it was alright to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil even though God forbid them to eat of it. Our flesh will always sin because the flesh is never in obedience to God.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Sin separates us from God because God is a spirit and can only recognize his own children by what spirit is living in their hearts. We have to renew, rebirth - born again, Gods Spirit within us in order to be called a child of God and see the kingdom of heaven. We now put off the old man (flesh) and put on the new man (Spirit). We are renewed by the word of God and through the Holy Spirit teaching us of all things.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Colossians 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

To that I wholeheartedly say AMEN!

I love how you clarified it was through SATAN'S deceit. He became married to our inner man (part spirit and part soul) and this caused our inner man or "heart" to not see God properly (or at all) and always "miss the mark" or "sin". This was fixed when we "married" Christ and were born or "reborn" as a new spiritual creation inside. However, as you mentioned (thank you) our external man, "the flesh" or "sin nature" as some call it will always miss the mark as he/she is under law and that is what the law does. It's like putting a stick in the water and the image bends. We no longer see the stick as it really is. We need only shed our outer man of flesh who is under law and WILL die because of it. Then, we will SEE the freedom firsthand that we already have since new birth. For now, it's hidden by the dead external man or the "body of sin" as Paul calls it.

The most powerful thing is once "we" in our soul are reborn in Christ the law is removed and thus the image is no longer distorted and we no longer sin in our inner man as our spirit man and inner soul is now "married" to Jesus and not Satan! Then we (our souls) becomes slaves of righteousness (Christ) instead of slaves of sin (Satan). It's only a matter of changing masters or "husbands" but it's the very difference between life and death. Thus, sin (Satan himself) is no longer "master" (spirit) over us as we are "married to Christ". Romans 6:14. Again, our external man will technically ALWAYS sin as he is under law (and death) and that is why he has to die but this will set our true self free!

These verses sum this up of what happened when we were born again in Christ.

But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness Romans 6:17-18

Well said. Thank you. I can't think about these things enough. The truth is that we are reborn from WITHIN and not from the outside. As Paul says, we become "obedient from the heart" in Romans 6:17 above. Our TRUE heart is our inner most man that is hidden deep behind a veil from our outer, external natural mind or what we call our "will".

 

[Edward]

Jesus was teaching Nicodemus that it was a Spiritual rebirth or renewal of our spirit that through Gods spoken word we can reconcile our past sins through repentance to be made sinless again before God. We are all born with a sin nature because of sin being introduced into the world through Satan’s deceit when he told Eve it was alright to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil even though God forbid them to eat of it. Our flesh will always sin because the flesh is never in obedience to God.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Sin separates us from God because God is a spirit and can only recognize his own children by what spirit is living in their hearts. We have to renew, rebirth - born again, Gods Spirit within us in order to be called a child of God and see the kingdom of heaven. We now put off the old man (flesh) and put on the new man (Spirit). We are renewed by the word of God and through the Holy Spirit teaching us of all things.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Colossians 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Well said sister. I needed to hear that right now

 

[ezrider]

It is through the amazing and powerful miracle of spiritual (TRUE) circumcision where God separated our inner and TRUE man from the flesh or the false, dead outer man who is under law and will fully die and dissolve. Our true being is the inner man is our "heart" and he will be fully released once our external body dies. This (inner) person IS fully sinless and can NOT sin. This is the true meaning of 1 John 3:6 and 1 John 3:9. He is Jesus himself who IS our life according to Paul in Colossians 3:3-4. This is why when he "appears" we will be "like him" as Paul told us.

Duane (kickedoutofchurch)

What you have written here reminds me of: Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Based upon what you have written, I was wondering how you view the scriptures in 1 Corinthians 15:33-49.

1 Cor 15:42-44 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Many people look at these scriptures and assume this change takes place at the physical return of the Lord. I do not necessary see it that way. I believe that we are simultaneously sown in corruption (our flesh) and is raised in incorruption (our spirit). We live constantly struggling between theses two states until we submit to the faith that comes from Christ. Only then can we perceive the spirit.

What are your thoughts?

 

[kickedoutofchurch]

What you have written here reminds me of: Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Based upon what you have written, I was wondering how you view the scriptures in 1 Corinthians 15:33-49.

1 Cor 15:42-44 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Many people look at these scriptures and assume this change takes place at the physical return of the Lord. I do not necessary see it that way. I believe that we are simultaneously sown in corruption (our flesh) and is raised in incorruption (our spirit). We live constantly struggling between theses two states until we submit to the faith that comes from Christ. Only then can we perceive the spirit.

What are your thoughts?

ezrider,

Your message is feeding me life from within. Thank you so much for sharing. The topic you mention is one that is very sincere to my heart being a very scientific person in my eternal man. I also believe that "God is one" as the bible tells us and he is truly revealing how that can be in these last days. The Lord is so kind to answer all the questions I have asked of him so far. However, the answers are very big and thus scary (at first) to my natural (outer) mind or "man"'. I love how God and man meet. This is the very mystery called "Christ" that Paul talks so much about and how "in him he made the two into ONE new man". See Ephesians 2:14-16 or the whole chapter of Ephesians 2. It is so amazing to see the end plan of God for the world.

However, for now, the first thing that comes to mind is that God has TWO of everything in the Word. Ever notice that? Ever ponder why?

I believe Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 15:46. Ponder that verse a bit. First comes the natural and is "sown". How is the natural "sown"? Look at the words of Jesus and see what he is saying.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit John 12:24

So, a "grain of wheat" must be "planted into the Earth" and die. Then, once it dies in the Earth, it bears much fruit. Now, look at the words of Paul again in 1 Cor 15 and put them together. Do you see the plan that God has for all mankind?

Is it possible that God's (hidden) plan is "backwards" from what man thinks? Could "death" come first and then "life"? The ways of God are NOT the ways of man. What if God's plan is that we must "die" first with the Lord Jesus and then we live and bear HIS (spiritual) fruit? What if the 'natural" that comes first is really what is "death" and once "death dies" then comes the spiritual or the TRUE life? I know that is deep, but the Lord will reveal the truth to us if we allow him to. then, we will be fed amazing LIFE from within.

I have much more I could say and share, but I have said enough I am sure. I believe the bible reveals that natural life is really "death" or man as a "seed" being "sown" in the Earth to be reborn at all 3 levels (Spirit, soul and body) according to God's divine plan in Jesus Christ. This happens in the "hidden" or spiritual inner man first and then works outward to the body.

These are my own conclusions based on hundreds of hours of quiet scripture research and mediation while journaling what I hear from within about the scriptures I feel "led" to. Please see what he says to you on this in a quiet place. Personally, he seems to have have withdrawn me from the world nearly completely: I have no tv, radio or other distractions (except my family and paying bills) for the past 2.5 years. It is only myself, my NASB Bible and the Lord. My inner man tells me the time is very near for him to "reappear". Could he be "reappearing" already from within us? God bless and may you hear from the Lord inside.

 

[Deborah13]

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Joh 9:29 we have known that God hath spoken to Moses, but this one--we have not known whence he is.'
Joh 9:30 The man answered and said to them, `Why, in this is a wonderful thing, that ye have not known whence he is, and he opened my eyes!
Joh 9:31 and we have known that God doth not hear sinners, but, if any one may be a worshipper of God, and may do His will, him He doth hear;
Joh 9:32 from the age it was not heard, that any one did open eyes of one who hath been born blind;
Joh 9:33 if this one were not from God, he were not able to do anything.'

Who said that God doesn't answer the prayers of sinners?
The Man said that the Jews knew that God didn't answer the prayers of sinners. God did not say that.
The man was saying that Jesus must not be a sinner because God answered His prayers.
Did Jesus answer the prayers of sinners? Yes He did. That was one of the reasons that the Jews did not believe He was their Messiah. They didn't believe He was God come in the flesh. Surely God would not heal a gentile or their family because they asked Him too if He was really their Messiah or really God.
The gentile woman who asked to have her daughter healed was a sinner. She believed that Jesus could heal her daughter, she had faith. But she was still a sinner and Jesus answered her request.

 

[for_his_glory]

Joh 9:29 we have known that God hath spoken to Moses, but this one--we have not known whence he is.'
Joh 9:30 The man answered and said to them, `Why, in this is a wonderful thing, that ye have not known whence he is, and he opened my eyes!
Joh 9:31 and we have known that God doth not hear sinners, but, if any one may be a worshipper of God, and may do His will, him He doth hear;
Joh 9:32 from the age it was not heard, that any one did open eyes of one who hath been born blind;
Joh 9:33 if this one were not from God, he were not able to do anything.'

Who said that God doesn't answer the prayers of sinners?
The Man said that the Jews knew that God didn't answer the prayers of sinners. God did not say that.
The man was saying that Jesus must not be a sinner because God answered His prayers.
Did Jesus answer the prayers of sinners? Yes He did. That was one of the reasons that the Jews did not believe He was their Messiah. They didn't believe He was God come in the flesh. Surely God would not heal a gentile or their family because they asked Him too if He was really their Messiah or really God.
The gentile woman who asked to have her daughter healed was a sinner. She believed that Jesus could heal her daughter, she had faith. But she was still a sinner and Jesus answered her request.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
John 9:36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
John 9:37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
John 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
John 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

The blind man had no sin found in him and when his sight was regained he recognized that it was the Messiah standing before him John 9:35-37. The sinner is blind to that of who Jesus is as they do not recognize the need of Gods grace. Only God knows the heart of a sinner and will only hear that one of a sincere heart of repentance. It's the heart and not the flesh that God sees for the flesh will always sin as it will never be in obedience to the Spirit.

 

[Edward]

ezrider,

Your message is feeding me life from within. Thank you so much for sharing. The topic you mention is one that is very sincere to my heart being a very scientific person in my eternal man. I also believe that "God is one" as the bible tells us and he is truly revealing how that can be in these last days. The Lord is so kind to answer all the questions I have asked of him so far. However, the answers are very big and thus scary (at first) to my natural (outer) mind or "man"'. I love how God and man meet. This is the very mystery called "Christ" that Paul talks so much about and how "in him he made the two into ONE new man". See Ephesians 2:14-16 or the whole chapter of Ephesians 2. It is so amazing to see the end plan of God for the world.

However, for now, the first thing that comes to mind is that God has TWO of everything in the Word. Ever notice that? Ever ponder why?

I believe Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 15:46. Ponder that verse a bit. First comes the natural and is "sown". How is the natural "sown"? Look at the words of Jesus and see what he is saying.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit John 12:24

So, a "grain of wheat" must be "planted into the Earth" and die. Then, once it dies in the Earth, it bears much fruit. Now, look at the words of Paul again in 1 Cor 15 and put them together. Do you see the plan that God has for all mankind?

Is it possible that God's (hidden) plan is "backwards" from what man thinks? Could "death" come first and then "life"? The ways of God are NOT the ways of man. What if God's plan is that we must "die" first with the Lord Jesus and then we live and bear HIS (spiritual) fruit? What if the 'natural" that comes first is really what is "death" and once "death dies" then comes the spiritual or the TRUE life? I know that is deep, but the Lord will reveal the truth to us if we allow him to. then, we will be fed amazing LIFE from within.

I have much more I could say and share, but I have said enough I am sure. I believe the bible reveals that natural life is really "death" or man as a "seed" being "sown" in the Earth to be reborn at all 3 levels (Spirit, soul and body) according to God's divine plan in Jesus Christ. This happens in the "hidden" or spiritual inner man first and then works outward to the body.

These are my own conclusions based on hundreds of hours of quiet scripture research and mediation while journaling what I hear from within about the scriptures I feel "led" to. Please see what he says to you on this in a quiet place. Personally, he seems to have have withdrawn me from the world nearly completely: I have no tv, radio or other distractions (except my family and paying bills) for the past 2.5 years. It is only myself, my NASB Bible and the Lord. My inner man tells me the time is very near for him to "reappear". Could he be "reappearing" already from within us? God bless and may you hear from the Lord inside.

That's pretty interesting brother. It's a little deep for sure, but I think I get it. I think you're right too.
The old man must die.
We must die to the flesh and live for the Spirit.
Ye must be born again.
except a man be born of water and of the Spirit... he can not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Born of the Spirit is the 2nd birth, born again.

I'm going to meditate in this a bit while I go do my last job of the day.
Good post brother.

 

[ezrider]

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[kickedoutofchurch]

Joh 9:29 we have known that God hath spoken to Moses, but this one--we have not known whence he is.'
Joh 9:30 The man answered and said to them, `Why, in this is a wonderful thing, that ye have not known whence he is, and he opened my eyes!
Joh 9:31 and we have known that God doth not hear sinners, but, if any one may be a worshipper of God, and may do His will, him He doth hear;
Joh 9:32 from the age it was not heard, that any one did open eyes of one who hath been born blind;
Joh 9:33 if this one were not from God, he were not able to do anything.'

Who said that God doesn't answer the prayers of sinners?
The Man said that the Jews knew that God didn't answer the prayers of sinners. God did not say that.
The man was saying that Jesus must not be a sinner because God answered His prayers.
Did Jesus answer the prayers of sinners? Yes He did. That was one of the reasons that the Jews did not believe He was their Messiah. They didn't believe He was God come in the flesh. Surely God would not heal a gentile or their family because they asked Him too if He was really their Messiah or really God.
The gentile woman who asked to have her daughter healed was a sinner. She believed that Jesus could heal her daughter, she had faith. But she was still a sinner and Jesus answered her request.

Amen to all of you who are sharing the truth from WITHIN your heart and not from the external man. You are allowing him to feed us life through you. I have goose bumps reading this as I believe this is the LORD appearing from WITHIN US even now.

Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.” Luke 17:20-21 NASB

Also, another verse mentioned by someone else above was on my OWN heart this week where Jesus says the powerful words "If you were blind you would have NO sin, but since you think you see, your sin remains". I am in awe he brought those up here. I see these kinds of "signs" often.