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Free Will, Predeterminism and Predestination

n2thelight said:
Take a look at the verse below , and ask yourself ,who's gonna do this

MARK CHAPTER 13 KJV
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Do you understand the verse , it's when true tongues will be spoken again, and it's the elect whom will do this .
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Thank you, but I was hoping that you would continue to outline my problem. I am deeply entertained by judgmental people.:)
 
2nd Timothy Group said:
Thank you, but I was hoping that you would continue to outline my problem. I am deeply entertained by judgmental people.:)
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When have I EVER judged not only you but anyone EVER on this forum or no others . You yourself told me your problem, so don't blame me , and if we can't keep it scripture , there's no need of me responding to you , like I said , do you . You claim to know scripture ,yet you can't engage me with scripture , if's that's judging than so be it ...
 
n2thelight said:
When have I EVER judged not only you but anyone EVER on this forum or no others . You yourself told me your problem, so don't blame me , and if we can't keep it scripture , there's no need of me responding to you , like I said , do you . You claim to know scripture ,yet you can't engage me with scripture , if's that's judging than so be it ...
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That was really good. Go ahead and take this opportunity to let out all of your frustrations upon me. I can handle it. :)
 
2nd Timothy Group said:
That is outstanding! Do the moderators and admins enjoy and support your putting people down?

What other unkind feelings do you have?
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unkind ?? you have yet to even explain your position ,, i have asked you i have gave you answers ..no more games
 
n2thelight said:
He told Jeremiah ,He was justified before he was placed in his mothers womb ,therefore he was saved
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Oh.
I'm not willing to debate this.
It could be.
I just don't know.
If God said it, it must be true.
Maybe the prophets were specially picked.
 
n2thelight said:
copy scripture and paste , not computer savy .Looks funny to me sometimes as well, I try to review before I post , but I'm at work most times when I'm here
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It's all those multiplying "pages" that are causing the problem.

Try using biblehub. That's what I use.

Bible Hub: Search, Read, Study the Bible in Many Languages

Online Bible Study Suite. Topical, Greek and Hebrew study tools, plus concordances, commentaries, sermons and devotionals.
biblehub.com

Look around.
You'll see that you could choose a bible version (upper right).
Then you write in the book and chapter and it'll come up (across the top).
If you don't know the verse, this is what I do:
I think of the verse I want and then write as much of it as I could remember:
Google:
verse Jesus said it is good that the comforter comes.

And the verse will come up.
Use biblehub for the verse.
You'll like it.
 
n2thelight said:
They were , before the flesh age
Gonna drop the below link of the 3 heaven and earth ages , if you can see what I'm saying (not me )will be great , if not ,still all good.

Three World Ages, First World Age We were With The Lord (biblestudyforlife.com)
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Hi n2,
I read the link.
I didn't read the last part about the world, or age to come because I'm not into Revelation.
If it's saying that the new world is at the end of the age and we'll be here on a new earth (Jerusalem), then I agree.
Anything else it says will be foreign to me.

What this pastor says may all be true - I don't see how he could know.
Even the fall of satan and the angels that followed him, is inferred from scripture, nowhere in the OT does it state explicitly the fall of satan and the angels - but it is alluded to. (in the OT).

I'm really confused about what the writer means about the elect.

Also, he seems to believe that God specifically created satan so that we can choose between the evil one and God.
I also don't know how this could be true if God is all good and John actually says that HE IS love. Not that He loves, but that His very being is love.

How do you reconcile that with God creating evil so that we can be tested?

I do believe there are two forces operating in the world, and it's wise to be on the "side" of the good force - or, God.
 
wondering said:
Also, he seems to believe that God specifically created satan so that we can choose between the evil one and God.
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Don't think God knew that Lucifer would sin , as He made him almost perfect , I mean he was like third in power , he became full of pride , so what was meant is the choice is for this age , or He (God) could had destroyed satan and all that followed him at that time , right then and there
 
2nd Timothy Group said:
Good grief. This is an incredibly unfriendly "christian" forum.
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Somebody has reported the abusive members and I will be removing them from this topic. I am sorry this occurred. Please use the report feature to draw our attention in the future as I do hope the sour apples have not left such a sour taste in your mouth you decide to leave.
 
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