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FRIEND OF GOD AND CHRIST

No one has, or has even needed to, reform doctrine. They repackage it with different words, but church-goers aren’t really concerned about anything but what works for them… if they don’t like one doctrine, they just move to another that they like better, or group of people, or programs, etc.
Everyone has their ‘angle’ on presenting scripture. It’s all a diversion… does anybody really think that the understanding of scripture can come from a bunch of pulpits that can’t even agree on biblical interpretation… and while we all take up arms to defend our personal doctrines, we neglect what God told us to do… if fact, the last church I entered had a preacher who complained about people asking for help… he decided they must be a member of the church or demonstrate that they’re saved or the church will deny their request.

None of it is from God, just the occasional mention of words from the Bible.
If none of God's true-born kids are not in possession of Truth, then we are all lost.
But thank God there are believers who possess truth and the truth.

If we put our trust in Christ, then we know He so preserves us that not a hair can fall from any one of our heads without the will of our heavenly Father; yes, that all things must be subservient to our salvation.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28.
 
If none of God's true-born kids are not in possession of Truth, then we are all lost.
But thank God there are believers who possess truth and the truth.
The greater the truth, the fewer there are who possess it. Everyone has some truth in their possession. But truth is often set aside so that the pulpit can dispense doctrine that sounds like truth.
There is no secret in God's kingdom.

His will is not your will.
There is no secret in God's kingdom.

His will is not your will.
Oh, ok. I guess I’m a fool for believing God would communicate with me. Thanks for the conversation. Bye.
 
No, this is what you said and it doesn't answer my questions:

QUOTE: Jesus chose to call them “friends” at that point. Not a one of them boasted to men that they are the “friend of God.” A person decides who their friend is. The man who decides he is our friend makes a dubious statement at best.

Now what is the measure of a friend of God and Jesus? God/Jesus explains things to you such that you HAVE UNDERSTANDING. The one who says “I don’t understand God” might be saved, but certainly is NOT a friend of God according to Jesus.

I know it’s a heady claim (being a friend of God) and there’s a song where the whole congregation, atheist visitors and all, are encouraged to proudly sing this, but singing a lie doesn’t impress God. My suspicion is those who proudly sing lies about their own greatness are not pleasing to Him. It certainly isn’t worship….well maybe it’s worship of the self. I’m hard pressed to think of a more prideful claim than, “say, did you know that I am a friend of….wait for it….God Almighty. Yup! I’m a friend of God!!!”

RESPONSE: So, let me ask a couple of questions:
From a Reformed point of view in which God elects, calls, and saves merely upon the good pleasure of His Will without any participation of the one being saved (monergism), if God loves someone or God calls “Friend” does He allow such person to perish “in hell” and eternally separated from God ultimately to be cast in the Lake of Fire?
God called Abraham “Friend;” Christ called Judas “Friend,” are there any “Friends” of God and Christ in “hell?”

Care to NOW answer these questions FROM A REFORMED POINT OF VIEW?
There is no reasonable answer from a reformed point of view because that view assumes a theology that is not true. It is like asking someone to explain how God could be good and just and choose some for Heaven and thereby some for hell and still be good and just. There is no answer to that that makes any sense.

If you want to know what a reformed person will say to the question of choosing some for Heaven, making them friends and sending them to hell, they will probably say he ensures that his friends do not go to hell (no matter how they behave) because his choosing them as friends had nothing to do with how they behave same as salvation. God just forces them to be saved, his friends and go to Heaven (although they will use nicer words than "forces.")

Is that what you want?
 
I'm not Reformed but I claim the best for myself every time I pray.
How does that work for you? Does the best become reality by you claiming it? I could ask you where in scripture that says you can go through the book and find the bits you like and claim it for yourself including complimentary adjectives ignoring any requirements.
I WANT EVERYTHING God Promised in His Word.
Even the trials and tribulations because it is through suffering my knowledge of Him increases as I seek Him out in His Word for all my answers.
Ok, do you equally desire to obey God in His word so that those promises can be seen in your life?
18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
Ec. 1:18.

There's a reason why I know what I know and WHY you've not heard the things I say and post for thirty years. That's because I only been online posting since 2006 and HERE at CF for only several years.
But be aware: there are MORE like me out there whom God is raising up in His army.
Well, I have heard that a LOT and it remains to be seen which army they are in. As I said before, Jesus said to judge a tree (man) by the fruit (results, actions, etc) in his life not by the sound the wind makes as it whistles through the leaves (words.) You, yourself, claimed you have good fruit, if I haven't mixed you up with another poster. That is self-praise.

"Do not exalt yourself in the king’s presence, and do not claim a place among his great men;" NIV

You will not find that Jesus said much about how good he was. It is better to be like him.
 
The mere calling oneself a "Christian" is 'taking an honor upon oneself.'
No, it is in some cultures saying you are a hypocrite. I know of no where on earth where it is an honor to say that.
To declare that "I know the Creator of the universe" is seen as 'taking an honor upon oneself.'
Those who know Him do not say it often because that knowledge itself has a deep work on human pride. Jesus knew him and actually was him and still did not say it. He did not boast of himself. It is best to go and do likewise.
A great and high honor.

If I said such a thing will you hold it against me?

I hope so.
You would need to show the fruit of that relationship which is what Jesus requires of us. It might be true, but if it is, there is a different kind of person from the run of the mill Christian that results and certainly one who speaks far less of their knowledge than one generally meets. One is able to EXPLAIN God in gentleness and truth that others hearing this see that there is evidence of greater understanding than is usually met. Jesus did not tell men that he knew a lot, that he knew secrets. He simply told the secrets and shared the knowledge and they asked one another, where did this man get his understanding.
 
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The greater the truth, the fewer there are who possess it. Everyone has some truth in their possession. But truth is often set aside so that the pulpit can dispense doctrine that sounds like truth.


Oh, ok. I guess I’m a fool for believing God would communicate with me. Thanks for the conversation. Bye.
Bye.
 
I fear that’s just the way some people say, “I’ve saved.” Same with, “it’s not a religion, it’s a relationship,” and they proceed to teach you religion.
I stop ‘em with a question- “What do you two talk about as friends?” or “Relationships are hard to maintain- what do you guys do together to have such a close relationship? Do you take turns choosing an activity or conversation?”
I am curious. How would you answer those questions yourself?
 
I am curious. How would you answer those questions yourself?
Sorry I wont be answering your question because I now have a personal troll who has made it his duty to insult me and present me as a polytheist on this site. And, a moderator chided me for responding to an off-topic comment. (seemed a bit legalistic, but, whatever.).
Doesn’t seem I’m very well liked here… I guess you can say I’ve been chased off.

Oh, you wouldn’t have believed me anyway. You would have jumped on the bandwagon with the rest and labeled me a heretic. I’ve not ever met a Christian who believes God is accessible to us.
 
The greater the truth, the fewer there are who possess it. Everyone has some truth in their possession. But truth is often set aside so that the pulpit can dispense doctrine that sounds like truth.


Oh, ok. I guess I’m a fool for believing God would communicate with me. Thanks for the conversation. Bye.
So, I stand vindicated (whatever 'greater truth' means).
Thanks.
 
Whether Judas ever had an essential welcome of Jesus as messiah, and of God as God, I do not know.
That's the purpose of my post "ON THE QUESTION OF JUDAS ISCARIOT' in Apologetics.
To show evidence of his election under the Law, his election to apostleship and salvation.
What's more important to us is not that we know Him, but that He knows us: His sheep. His Church (which includes Old Testament saints.)
 
That is sort of the point. There are those who claim this singing that God actually calls them "friend."
The Scripture 'claims' and actually did record that Christ called Judas friend.
It's there in black and white.
It also comes in purple, the color of Jesus' Royalty.
 
No, it is in some cultures saying you are a hypocrite. I know of no where on earth where it is an honor to say that.
I'm American with a Judeo-Christian ethic and culture.
Those who know Him do not say it often because that knowledge itself has a deep work on human pride. Jesus knew him and actually was him and still did not say it. He did not boast of himself. It is best to go and do likewise.
Jesus did 'boast' of Himself:

17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:1-5
You would need to show the fruit of that relationship which is what Jesus requires of us. It might be true, but if it is, there is a different kind of person from the run of the mill Christian that results and certainly one who speaks far less of their knowledge than one generally meets.
Knowledge of God and His Word is first and foremost the instruction God gives to His people. He commands His people get knowledge, and with all their getting, get understanding. And when knowledge is gotten under the anointing it doesn't produce "pride" or "arrogance." it produces the peaceable fruit that comes down from the Father of lights. You have it backward. I'm surprised you don't know this. I'm even more surprised you think a believer should "speak far less of their knowledge" when God commands the opposite:

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. Dt 6:6–9.

In short, God wants His people talking about their knowledge about Him all the time and everywhere.

2 To know wisdom and instruction;
To perceive the words of understanding;
3 To receive the instruction of wisdom,
Justice, and judgment, and equity;
4 To give subtilty to the simple,
To the young man knowledge and discretion.
5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning;
And a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation;
The words of the wise, and their dark sayings.
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge:
But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Prov. 1:2–7.

One is able to EXPLAIN God in gentleness and truth that others hearing this see that there is evidence of greater understanding than is usually met. Jesus did not tell men that he knew a lot, that he knew secrets. He simply told the secrets and shared the knowledge and they asked one another, where did this man get his understanding.
Gentleness, huh? So, you're dictating how God's Word possessed by one of His kids who have a place in the Body, possess spiritual gifts in the Body, have specific instruction and command of the Lord through prophecy and laying on of hands to a specific ministry and calling, have unique and specific personalities and mannerisms, and even have particular methodology towards the performance and completion of their work for Christ are supposed to function? So, when did the Lord abdicate His throne and give you authority to dictate how a servant, friend, and soldier are supposed to operate? Here's someone you would think was not a Christian in general, and a demon specifically. How would you like to have this man's calling and ministry and instruction and command:

10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant. Jer. 1:10.

My namesake.
 
There is no reasonable answer from a reformed point of view because that view assumes a theology that is not true. It is like asking someone to explain how God could be good and just and choose some for Heaven and thereby some for hell and still be good and just. There is no answer to that that makes any sense.

If you want to know what a reformed person will say to the question of choosing some for Heaven, making them friends and sending them to hell, they will probably say he ensures that his friends do not go to hell (no matter how they behave) because his choosing them as friends had nothing to do with how they behave same as salvation. God just forces them to be saved, his friends and go to Heaven (although they will use nicer words than "forces.")

Is that what you want?
There is a book of life of the Lamb slain.
In this book God wrote the names of all those who will be saved. Specifically, those WHOM He will save.
That's not Reformed. That's Biblical.
But Reformers receive and accept that.
Where you at?
Do you receive and accept this truth from Scripture?
Or reject it?
 
That's the purpose of my post "ON THE QUESTION OF JUDAS ISCARIOT' in Apologetics.
To show evidence of his election under the Law, his election to apostleship and salvation.
What's more important to us is not that we know Him, but that He knows us: His sheep. His Church (which includes Old Testament saints.)
While Judas was called under Sinai, I take such election as purely to function (rabbi/disciples), irrespective of salvation (however defined). Similarly no child with a Christian parent has eternal life by consequence of that status. Certainly no apostle was saved—as a Christian—before the cross.

I would disallow OT saints (set-asides unto Yahweh and at that time part of the assembly of Yahweh) from the Yeshuic church—per force they were not in the new covenant (ie messianic church). I grant that they will—having a predisposition towards God—enjoy everlasting life postmortem.

At one level God ‘knows’ even Satan, but as I suspect you will, ‘know’ carries a range of meanings including chosen-intimacy. But to my mind, it profits me nothing if God loves me, if I don’t love him: marriage is not solo.
 
There is no secret in God's kingdom.

His will is not your will.

Deuteronomy 29:29

English Standard Version

29 “The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

The Dream Revealed to Daniel
…21He changes the times and seasons; He removes kings and establishes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning. 22He reveals the deep and hidden things; He knows what lies in darkness, and light dwells with Him.

Are you taking the hint grace2 ?

What does it mean that the secret things belong to the Lord (Deuteronomy 29:29)?
 
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