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[jeremiah1five]

How does that work for you? Does the best become reality by you claiming it? I could ask you where in scripture that says you can go through the book and find the bits you like and claim it for yourself including complimentary adjectives ignoring any requirements.

I don't do that.
Through the years I had been preached to about things I later would not find in Scripture. So, I reformed my thinking to accommodate the Scripture. That's why I run into Christians who oppose God and His Word. Such a contradiction.

Ok, do you equally desire to obey God in His word so that those promises can be seen in your life?

Well, I have heard that a LOT and it remains to be seen which army they are in. As I said before, Jesus said to judge a tree (man) by the fruit (results, actions, etc) in his life not by the sound the wind makes as it whistles through the leaves (words.) You, yourself, claimed you have good fruit, if I haven't mixed you up with another poster. That is self-praise.

Self-praise?
Hmmm... you mean like when Paul claims the office of apostle and even MAGNIFIES it to his readers?
Or, when Paul describes how he endured shipwrecks, floggings, beatings, and his list goes on. Or, do you mean when Paul claims being in third heaven and hearing things he could not utter?
These self-praising acts, you mean?

"Do not exalt yourself in the king’s presence, and do not claim a place among his great men;" NIV

You will not find that Jesus said much about how good he was. It is better to be like him.

I don't have to. My King knows me and what I can and cannot do. And sometimes in prayer we have a laugh together.

 

[hawkman]

Oh, you wouldn’t have believed me anyway.

I am curious to your answers also , give us a chance .

 

[jeremiah1five]

While Judas was called under Sinai, I take such election as purely to function (rabbi/disciples), irrespective of salvation (however defined). Similarly no child with a Christian parent has eternal life by consequence of that status. Certainly no apostle was saved—as a Christian—before the cross.

Scripture contradicts you:

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. Lk 22:19–20.

Looks like salvation to me.

I would disallow OT saints (set-asides unto Yahweh and at that time part of the assembly of Yahweh) from the Yeshuic church—per force they were not in the new covenant (ie messianic church). I grant that they will—having a predisposition towards God—enjoy everlasting life postmortem.

God has had Covenant with a certain people throughout human history. From the Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Davidic Covenants and others God has elected and saved His people in these Covenants in the Old Testament. The Congregation of these saints in the Old Testament looked forward to their Messiah/Christ. They were the first Christians. They were the first Church (ekklesia: "called out" ones).

At one level God ‘knows’ even Satan, but as I suspect you will, ‘know’ carries a range of meanings including chosen-intimacy. But to my mind, it profits me nothing if God loves me, if I don’t love him: marriage is not solo.

Well, that's to your mind. Your thoughts are not His thoughts. So, don't worry too much.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Sorry I wont be answering your question because I now have a personal troll who has made it his duty to insult me and present me as a polytheist on this site. And, a moderator chided me for responding to an off-topic comment. (seemed a bit legalistic, but, whatever.).
Doesn’t seem I’m very well liked here… I guess you can say I’ve been chased off.

Oh, you wouldn’t have believed me anyway. You would have jumped on the bandwagon with the rest and labeled me a heretic. I’ve not ever met a Christian who believes God is accessible to us.

Just PM me. Don’t take it personal. There’s one mod who snoops out any deviation (or not). And yes, despite being christians their MO is to cancel people just like the world. But all the sites do that. It’s all they know. The world silences free speech if you say what they don’t like. Of course they all hide behind “the rules.” YouTube, Twitter, etc. violate the rules and your voice is taken away.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Just PM me. Don’t take it personal. There’s one mod who snoops out any deviation (or not). And yes, despite being christians their MO is to cancel people just like the world. But all the sites do that. It’s all they know. The world silences free speech if you say what they don’t like. Of course they all hide behind “the rules.” YouTube, Twitter, etc. violate the rules and your voice is taken away.

 

[Vinny37]

Scripture contradicts you:

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. Lk 22:19–20.

Looks like salvation to me.

God has had Covenant with a certain people throughout human history. From the Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Davidic Covenants and others God has elected and saved His people in these Covenants in the Old Testament. The Congregation of these saints in the Old Testament looked forward to their Messiah/Christ. They were the first Christians. They were the first Church (ekklesia: "called out" ones).

Well, that's to your mind. Your thoughts are not His thoughts. So, don't worry too much.

I do not see a disagreement between the eucharist (proleptically instituted) and the general point of mine which you have linked. His body/blood was only given at the cross, although the elements represented that portending gift: he did not eat his own literal body. The new birth was future to, say, Jhn.1:12: faithful adherents would BECOME children of God, subsequent to welcome of messiah after the cross; since then, all who welcome him thus instantly become such. Nicodemus, already in God’s kingdom (Level 2) could only enter the messianic kingdom (Level 3) by new birth, once it began (ie post-atonement). So much could be said.

Σωτηρια has a very wide range of meaning. It can be saving from human enemies, human sickness, saving into some level of fellowship with Yahweh, etc. Hermeneutically it’s a case of analysing the type of salvation within its original setting. So yes, defo they were ‘saved’, but not in a Christian sense, even as, say, the water-baptised believers under John were not water-baptised in a Christian sense (Ac.19:3). Even Jesus was neither water-baptised nor spirit-filled in a Christian sense.

As I indicated, as regard Level 4 salvation, such OT saints (and gentile ones) are saved by God by reason of their heart towards him. Sinai never reached out evangelistically to the gentile world, since God did not will gentiles at large to enter Sinai salvation: a Ruth or Naaman were always welcome. Indeed not all ethnically Israel, enjoyed such salvation (think Ahab), though some were people after God’s own heart (think David).

I think it moot as to whether Adam (the person) will enjoy everlasting salvation: covenant can be for function, without including ultimate salvation. One wonders whether Cyrus, having been Yahweh’s anointed/messiah, will enjoy such. God knows our hearts.

As said, the qahal/εκκλησια ‘in the wilderness’ was a called-out people, though many were slain by Yahweh along the way for idolatry, etc. For my part, even some so slain might enjoy everlasting life—Miriam and Aaron weren’t ideal followers!

BTW, it is a little tiring when getting feedback along the [you’re not biblical but you won’t care] line. Let’s confine ourselves to discussion on a discussion forum, heh, and stick to terms like [I agree/disagree with you]?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

There is no secret in God's kingdom.

His will is not your will.

God hides things from the wise and intelligent and reveals them to babes. Matt 11:25

 

[GodsGrace]

Sorry I wont be answering your question because I now have a personal troll who has made it his duty to insult me and present me as a polytheist on this site. And, a moderator chided me for responding to an off-topic comment. (seemed a bit legalistic, but, whatever.).
Doesn’t seem I’m very well liked here… I guess you can say I’ve been chased off.

Oh, you wouldn’t have believed me anyway. You would have jumped on the bandwagon with the rest and labeled me a heretic. I’ve not ever met a Christian who believes God is accessible to us.

If you feel someone is trolling you, you should report it.

If a moderator warned you it was to avoid further problems. Not because you're not welcome here.

 

[grace2]

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Are you taking the hint grace2 ?

What does it mean that the secret things belong to the Lord (Deuteronomy 29:29)?

So you think we can pronounce that we know the secret of the Lord?

that is not a humble attitude.

This is rhetorical.

I am done with you.

I know how it goes with you.

good day, friend.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I do not see a disagreement between the eucharist (proleptically instituted) and the general point of mine which you have linked. His body/blood was only given at the cross, although the elements represented that portending gift: he did not eat his own literal body. The new birth was future to, say, Jhn.1:12: faithful adherents would BECOME children of God, subsequent to welcome of messiah after the cross; since then, all who welcome him thus instantly become such. Nicodemus, already in God’s kingdom (Level 2) could only enter the messianic kingdom (Level 3) by new birth, once it began (ie post-atonement). So much could be said.

Σωτηρια has a very wide range of meaning. It can be saving from human enemies, human sickness, saving into some level of fellowship with Yahweh, etc. Hermeneutically it’s a case of analysing the type of salvation within its original setting. So yes, defo they were ‘saved’, but not in a Christian sense, even as, say, the water-baptised believers under John were not water-baptised in a Christian sense (Ac.19:3). Even Jesus was neither water-baptised nor spirit-filled in a Christian sense.

As I indicated, as regard Level 4 salvation, such OT saints (and gentile ones) are saved by God by reason of their heart towards him. Sinai never reached out evangelistically to the gentile world, since God did not will gentiles at large to enter Sinai salvation: a Ruth or Naaman were always welcome. Indeed not all ethnically Israel, enjoyed such salvation (think Ahab), though some were people after God’s own heart (think David).

I think it moot as to whether Adam (the person) will enjoy everlasting salvation: covenant can be for function, without including ultimate salvation. One wonders whether Cyrus, having been Yahweh’s anointed/messiah, will enjoy such. God knows our hearts.

As said, the qahal/εκκλησια ‘in the wilderness’ was a called-out people, though many were slain by Yahweh along the way for idolatry, etc. For my part, even some so slain might enjoy everlasting life—Miriam and Aaron weren’t ideal followers!

BTW, it is a little tiring when getting feedback along the [you’re not biblical but you won’t care] line. Let’s confine ourselves to discussion on a discussion forum, heh, and stick to terms like [I agree/disagree with you]?

Where are all these levels from?
There's nothing in Scripture about levels in the kingdom of God.

 

[Vinny37]

Where are all these levels from?
There's nothing in Scripture about levels in the kingdom of God.

Sure, and there's nothing in Scripture about a trinity. Discerning both is, IMO, a case of some study, and I've come to accept the reality of both. If you PM me, I'm happy to send you a link to a free PDF covering the idea of Levels.