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Gandhi - An eastern disciple of the Lord.

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The life of Mahatma Gandhi was a life of sacrifice, helping the poor, and creating unity amonst Muslims, Hindus, and Christians through Christ - like actions.

Although not a professed believer in the doctrines of modern Christianity, Christ prophesises about men such as this in the following parable.


34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."



Also looking to this verse we see that those who do the WORKS of Christ on earth are considered "His Very Own".


31Then Jesus' mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. 32A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you."
33"Who are my mother and my brothers?" he asked.

34Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 35Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."



The Will of God can be summed up as this.....


36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."



Mahatma Gandhi did just this! In a Christlike manner!

There is mountains of scriptural proof that a great man such as this will be among the Risen Flock at the Last Trumpet!

Praise the Lord for His infinite Mercy!
 


BB and Gary, please read this,

thanks......


"The message of Jesus as I understand it," said Gandhi, "is contained in the Sermon on the Mount unadulterated and taken as a whole... If then I had to face only the Sermon on the Mount and my own interpretation of it, I should not hesitate to say, 'Oh, yes, I am a Christian.' But negatively I can tell you that in my humble opinion, what passes as Christianity is a negation of the Sermon on the Mount... I am speaking of the Christian belief, of Christianity as it is understood in the west."

Gandhi could speak beautifully about the message and personality of Jesus. Talking about the Gospel passage of the rich young man, he said, "St. Mark has vividly described the scene. Jesus is in his solemn mood. He is earnest. He talks about eternity. He knows the world about him. He is himself the greatest economist of his time. He succeeded in sermonising time and space - He transcends them. It is to him at the best that one comes running, kneels down and asks, "Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" And Jesus said unto him, "One thing thou lackest. Go thy way, sell what thou hast and give it to the poor, and thou shall have treasure in heaven - come, take up the cross and follow me." Here you have an eternal rule of life stated in the noblest words the English language is capable of producing." Gandhi went on to say that he could quote even stronger passages from the Hindu scriptures and the lesson he wanted to draw was that if we could clean our houses, palaces and temples of the attributes of wealth and show in them the attributes of morality we could fight all hostile forces without military strength. Let us seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, he said, and the irrevocable promise is that everything will be added upon us. "These are real economics. May you and I treasure them and enforce them in our daily life."

Poverty, suffering, the Crosss, non-violence, morality - all these were part of the Kingdom of God. But for Gandhi what struck him most in the Sermon on the Mount was Christ's teaching on non-retaliation, or non-resistance to evil. "Of all the things I have read what remained with me forever was that Jesus came almost to give a new law - not an eye for an eye but to receive two blows when only one was given, and to go two miles when they were asked to go one. I came to see that the Sermon on the Mount was the whole of Christianity for him who wanted to live a Christian life. It is that sermon that has endeared Jesus to me."

"Jesus occupies in my heart," said Gandhi, "the place of one of the greatest teachers who have had a considerable influence on my life. I shall say to the Hindus that your life will be incomplete unless you reverentially study the teachings of Jesus... Make this world the kingdom of God and his righteousness and everything will be added unto you. I tell you that if you will understand, appreciate, and act up to the spirit of this passage, you won't need to know what place Jesus or any other teacher occupies in your heart."

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I wonder why Soma so often copy-n-pastes (1) without references (2) only carefully selected parts....

What is he trying to hide?

Let's look a little deeper.

He copy-n-pasted from here:
http://www.geocities.com/orthopapism/gandhi.html

I was wondering why Soma only selected that part. Then I read the top of the page:

The following article by a notorious and shameless 'Ecumenist' is a condensation of Gandhi's perverted version of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Gandhi, the disciple of Tolstoy and Romain Rolland, needless to add, was a great dissembler and seducer, a mix of Voltaire and Rasputin, and a progressively higher evolution from them. The passage, 'Even the Devil knows to quote Scriptures' is made real here. The original title of this editorial was 'Gandhi on Christ.' I have changed it to reflect the true position.
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So rather go here and read the FULL story!
http://www.geocities.com/orthopapism/gandhi.html

:) :)
 
and why did you not quote these parts Soma?...

Responses:

Martin Raghunath said:
Sir, - With reference to your editorial (Gandhi on Christ) of 26th September 1992 and Gandhi's attitude to Jesus, here is what the great Christian writer, C.S. Lewis, wrote:
"I am here to prevent anyone from saying the really foolish thing that people say about Him: 'I am ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God.' This is the one thing we must not say.

"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.

"He would be either a lunatic - on the level of a man who says he is a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell.

"You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a mad man or something worse.

"You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God.

"But let us not come up with any patronising nonsense about His being a human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."

Martin Raghunath, Juhu, Bombay. 400058.
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Rachel Rajaiah said:
Sir, - I was amazed at your editorial of September 26, 1992 as I was at the responses to it (October 10, 1992). The sad fact is that Gandhi approached Jesus and His Gospel 'cafetaria style' - take what you like, leave what you don't. He admired the Sermon on the Mount, but rejected Jesus' teaching on salvation by his atoning sacrifice and the whole of salvation theology as explained in the epistles of St. Paul. To Gandhi, Jesus was a great teacher and a good man, but not God's Son made flesh to die for the salvation of the world. And he never faced the real issue: how could a good man like Jesus claim to be the Son of God and the Saviour of the World, if He was not.

Rachel Rajaiah, Lokhandwala Complex, Bombay 5.
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:o

http://www.geocities.com/orthopapism/gandhi.html
 
Gary.....

I posted....

WHAT GANDHI SAID, HIS ACTUAL WORDS

The rest of that article is COMMENTARY on what CHRISTIAN APOLOGISTS think about what he said!

What do YOU think about what he said!

Judge for yourself![/b]
 
GARY THOSE REFERENCES ARE WHAT CS LEWIS SAID!

NOT GAHNDI!
 
As I said, it is very interesting to me that you seldom (if ever) reference where you copy-n-paste from. That is plagiarism. You should understand that concept, especially if you are a student.

What do I think of Gandhi's words? He picks and chooses what he needs from Jesus Christ's words.... for his own political gain. I do not believe he fully understood the Gospel. Those who have no real concept of sin or the correct understanding of evil never understand the Gospel. So to think that Jesus is only a good moral teacher misses the point.

Gandhi admitted he never understood the cross. How can he therefore claim to follow Jesus? How could he ever know what it is to "take up your cross"?
 
Gandhi admitted he never understood the cross. How can he therefore claim to follow Jesus? How could he ever know what it is to "take up your cross"?
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I think spending half his life in jail, getting beaten for Holy ideals, fasting to end a war betwenn Muslims and Hindus, and loving all men equally regardless of religious background is EXACTLY what the message of the Cross is!!!!

What do YOU think of this verse Gary!

"written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart" (2 Corinthians 3:2,3).

"O that there were such an heart in them (the people), that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children forever!" said Yahweh, as recorded in Deuteronomy 5:29.

Colossians 1:26-27, ...the mystery which has been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints to whom Yah would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Messiah in you, the hope of glory.

"The word is near you, even in your mouth and in your heart (that is, the word of faith which we preach)" (Romans 10:8).
 
And when did Ghandi ever die to save you, Soma? It appears that his self-sacrifice ended when it came to exchanging his life for yours. Ghandi did not believe that Jesus was the only way to God so he of course could not have been a disciple of Christ's. He believed that he knew better than Jesus which is the epitome of arrogance, expecially considering he never walked on water. "Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven." Ghandi's soul according to him, has probably turned into the soul of an ant. Poor guy.
 
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I've read plenty books on Philosophies, and religions and occult of all sorts, that doesn't make for debating whether they have the truth of God in them or not. IF you take them on, then what are you? You become like them, living their half truths instead of taking on Christ Jesus! Like I said, just because they speak part truth, doesn't mean diddly! So why the huge to do in all over your threads, Soma? Why are you defending the part truths of those who are of the Eastern Religions, Eastern thought, while it only strays one away from Jesus? It's a big detour! What is your point, really?

Promoting Universalism and denying to do so is trickery.

The Catholics are doing the very same thing! Embracing Eastern thought and saying it is nothing but recreation and a form of meditation, Nothing but harmless retreats of which are therapeutic in themselves!

They are straying away from "Judeo" Christianity! They are instead embracing everything that speaks any bit of truth and seeking other paths to the truth. But little do they know! They are looking to other gods! Who ever told you that these gods don't know of the truth of the ONE and ONLY GOD, JHVH GOD? They just take bits and pieces of truth and mix it up with their false gods. But they don't know Jesus! You are then in effect taking your eyes off of Jesus and placing them onto angels of darkness that come in the form of light! Trickery, detouring you away from the truths of and IN Jesus, "OUR" Christ , OUR guide and OUR savior! OUR, meaning those who seek after GOD. Not those who seek after "gods". gods that have only part truth! They lead you into alleys of deception by way of their use of the truth OF the ONE and ONLY GOD. They are thieves that come in the night! blinding you to the real truth of Jesus Christ.


If you are claiming to be a Christian that follows after Jesus Christ, You will not be looking to other religions or prophets with only half truths for your guidance! Jesus followed after the lineage of King David who's God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph! And you dare take claim to being a Judeo Christian by embracing the thoughts of those who speak only half truths but don't know Jesus, nor have any inkling what salvation through Christ Jesus really means? You dare look to others with only half truths in their religion, looking to Eastern religion for what? For someone to agree with? :o Agree with Jesus! and the Judeo Christian teachings!

Why do you place such significance on those who only know in part the truth? Is it because you take on the Universalism that the Catholics have now embraced? You are like the walking blind, if you embrace these Eastern religions and ignore the teachings of Christ Jesus! Thou shalt have no other Gods before me! Clearly, the first commandment is being ignored by those who adhere to the Eastern thought as being their meditation. Do you think Jesus said it is now null and void now that he is crucified and died on the cross, buried and resurrected? Do you think we are to just look to others for what little truth they know? If you look to other religions and prophets, and ideologies, you are taking part in universalism! That is mixing and mashing all religions as being "one" truth. That will never work! Never! Because they lead you astray, away from the truth of Jesus, the One and Only Lord and Savior!


Like is said in another message in the other thread:
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 296#193296


Also, you totally ignore the truths that Gary and BB and a few others are pointing out to you. They provide scripture to you that clearly state the truth IN the Holy Word and you just argue and ignore what scriptures of truth they provided to you from out of the book that teaches "Judeo" Christian truths. You are clearly denying any correction from the Holy word in the bible and only come back with unrelated scripture that suites your contrary reasonings.

You are looking to trickery of other philosophies and religions, of other prophets, and are totally disregarding what the Scriptures in the "Judeo" Christian bible teaches about such things!


Such a shame. :-?


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Good points Relic,

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Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The words of Jesus Christ...

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
 
Gary said:
and why did you not quote these parts Soma?...

Responses:
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Martin Raghunath said:
Sir, - With reference to your editorial (Gandhi on Christ) of 26th September 1992 and Gandhi's attitude to Jesus, here is what the great Christian writer, C.S. Lewis, wrote:
"I am here to prevent anyone from saying the really foolish thing that people say about Him: 'I am ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God.' This is the one thing we must not say.

"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.

"He would be either a lunatic - on the level of a man who says he is a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell.

"You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a mad man or something worse.

"You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God.

"But let us not come up with any patronising nonsense about His being a human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."

Martin Raghunath, Juhu, Bombay. 400058.
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Using the argument of C.S. Lewis I see... do you not think he is a bit of a heretic?
 
Have you read any of C.S. Lewis? Which books of his have you read?

:) :-? :)
 
Yeah, I would like to know as well. I think an attack on C.S. Lewis would not go far. He was a great man of God. A sinner sure, but someone who truly loved and understood the Lord.
 
The topic here is about Gandhi. C.S. Lewis is irrelevant.

please stay on topic.

Thanks,

robert
 
bibleberean said:
The topic here is about Gandhi. C.S. Lewis is irrelevant.

please stay on topic.

Thanks,

robert
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edited: the C.S. Lewis argument is relevant to Gandhi.
 
DivineNames said:
bibleberean said:
The topic here is about Gandhi. C.S. Lewis is irrelevant.

please stay on topic.

Thanks,

robert
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edited: the C.S. Lewis argument is relevant to Gandhi.
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Then be sure that the thread continues to mention Gahndi and if he is an eastern disciple of the Lord or not.

This thread has switched from Gahndi to the teachings and beliefs of Lewis.

What I am asking is not unreasonable.

Thanks,

robert
 
But what about you?... Who do YOU say I am?...
(Matthew 16:15-16)

Jesus asked: “But what about you?†he asked. “Who do you say I am?â€Â

Simon Peter replied: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.â€Â

Gandhi replied: “To me, He was one of the greatest teachers humanity has ever had.â€Â

BUZZ. Sorry, wrong answer Gandhi. Go back and READ Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. READ Acts. Did Jesus' disciples, followers and the apostles believe that the risen Lord Jesus Christ was only a teacher? See what happens, Gandhi, when you don't complete your homework. READ the whole Bible.... not only the parts you need for your political gain. Jesus taught those two disciples on the road to Emmaus:

Luke said:
He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?†And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
(Luke 24:25-27)
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:)
 
Gary said:
BUZZ. Sorry, wrong answer Gandhi. Go back and READ Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. READ Acts. Did Jesus' disciples, followers and the apostles believe that the risen Lord Jesus Christ was only a teacher? See what happens, Gandhi, when you don't complete your homework. READ the whole Bible....
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Perhaps Gandhi thought that parts of the Bible were nonsense? or mythologized?
 
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