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[_ Old Earth _] Gap Theory

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andy153

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Hi everyone,

I was wondering how many if indeed any believed in the "Gap Theory"

I ask the question as someone who believes there is a gap between verses 1-2 of Genesis 1

with love and respect, andy153
 
Thanks Free and mhess,

I was wondering why you both associate the gap theory with a young earth creation.

I believe that there is a gap in scripture between Gen 1:1-2 yet I do not associate that belief with a YEC.

with love and respect, andy153
 
I see YEC as the only biblical approach to creation, and I see the gap theory and all other theories as an attempt to harmonize scripture with "science"
 
andy,

I never meant to associate gap theory with YEC, I just reject them both.
 
andy153 said:
I was wondering how many if indeed any believed in the "Gap Theory"
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I believe in the GAP theory, because I believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. Each day in Genesis is 1000 years in length. So the events we read about in Genesis Ch 1 have all taken place in the last 12975 years. There are also a shadow or a type of what has teken place over a much longer period of time. So for me BOTH the YEC and the OEC are true. Gen ch 1 is talking about BOTH of them at the same time.

An example of where this takes place is when Jesus answers two questions at once. He is talking about when He will return at the end of the age AND He is talking about when Jerusalem will be destroyed and the temple will be tore down in 70 ad. What happened in Jerusalem in 70 ad on a smaller scale will happen to the whole world on a large scale at the end of this age.

So this is a example of how the Bible can talk about two things at the same time. In fact in some cases there maybe up to 5 levels of meaning to a passage.

When Jesus returns the church will all be in one mind and in one accord. I do not think that YEC's are going to convert to become OEC's. What I believe will happen is that each will see the truth in the other persons beliefs. In this way we will be in agreement, because we will all have the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God. We will all see the truth in both the YEC beliefs and in the OEC beliefs.
 
JohnR7,

I'm curious as to how Gen 1 can be speaking about an earth that is 12875 years old and at the same time imply that it is also a few billion years old. That is a very serious contradiction and both cannot be true. It is a physical and logical impossibility for YEC and OEC to both be true.

And, no, gap theory has little to do with a literal interpretation of the Bible, especially since there is zero Scripture to back it up.
 
Free said:
JohnR7,

I'm curious as to how Gen 1 can be speaking about an earth that is 12875 years old and at the same time imply that it is also a few billion years old. That is a very serious contradiction and both cannot be true. It is a physical and logical impossibility for YEC and OEC to both be true.

And, no, gap theory has little to do with a literal interpretation of the Bible, especially since there is zero Scripture to back it up.
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I agree with Free, both YEC and OEC cannot be correct.

Genesis 1:1 speaks of creation, Genesis 1:2 clearly records a cataclysmic change upon the creation as a result of divine judgement.

I believe that this judgement occurred between verses Genesis 1:1-2

with love and respect, andy153
 
JohnR7 said:
When Jesus returns the church will all be in one mind and in one accord. I do not think that YEC's are going to convert to become OEC's. What I believe will happen is that each will see the truth in the other persons beliefs. In this way we will be in agreement, because we will all have the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God. We will all see the truth in both the YEC beliefs and in the OEC beliefs.
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Can scripture support any of this? If so please give verses.
 
Free said:
JohnR7,I'm curious as to how Gen 1 can be speaking about an earth that is 12875 years old and at the same time imply that it is also a few billion years old.
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I did not say imply, that is your word not mine. I am talking about what they call shadows and types, where one represents the other. The Bible is talking about two things at the same time. God does not change, He does things the same way.

The GAP theory is the best explaination of all that we know right now.
 
Nocturnal_Principal_X said:
Can scripture support any of this? If so please give verses.
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I can give you tons of stuff on this, I studied it for years. First of all here is the verse on the mind of christ.

Romans 15:6a That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God,

2 Cor. 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Philip. 1:27b stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Philip. 2:2
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

Here are just a few of the things that make up the mind of Christ:

The Mind of Christ


1. A mind of divine love 2. A mind of peace 3. An anointed mind 4. A praying mind 5. A fasting mind 6. A mind of faith 7. A mind that glorified God 8. A mind of compassion 9. An obedient mind 10. A trusting mind 11. A mind free of all condemnation 12. A mind of full assurance 13. A happy mind 14. A contented mind 15. A tempted mind 16. A mind acquainted with grief and sorrows 17. A mind that wept 18. A magnanimous mind 19. A forgiving mind 20. A serving mind 21. A pure mind 22. A mind of truth 23. A sober mind 24. A resurrected mind 25. A longsuffering mind 26. A mind of prophecy 27. A Holy Ghost mind 28. A believing mind 29. A mind of the nine fruits of the Spirit 30. A mind accepting 9 gifts of the Spirit 31. A mind that feels the need of the Holy Ghost for all people 32. A born new mind 33. A mind of Calvary 34. A mind of Bible Pentecost 35. A mind of one accord with the Father 36. A mind of unity with the Holy Spirit 37. A sacrificial mind 38. A sanctified mind 39. A mind God can reason with 40. A mind with the whole armor of God 41. A made up mind 42. A thankful mind* 43. A mind of holiness 44. A mind that blessed 45. A mind to do God's work 46. A mind of God's wisdom 47. A mind dwelling on the right kind of thoughts 48. A mind with the love bridle 49. A mind of tender mercy 50. A mind of goodness 51. A mind of kindness 52. A mind knowing the will of God 53. A mind God could use as His very own 54. A mind of courage 55. A mind of boldness 56. A mind of hope 57. A Word mind 58. A divine blood mind 59. A mind of divine knowledge 60. A stable mind 61. A consecrated mind 62. A mind of endurance 63. A dedicated mind 64. A mind of encouragement 65. A mind of fellowship 66. A willing mind 67. A perfect mind 68. A working mind (#140)BB 69. A mind connected with heaven 70. A mind God could use all the time 71. A mind to fulfill His divine mission 72. A victorious mind 73. An all-conquering mind 74. A gentle mind 75. A mind with the conversation of heaven 76. A wonderful mind 77. An understanding mind 78. A steadfast mind 79. A mind of joy 80. A Spirit-filled mind 81. A praising mind 82. A grace mind 83. A mind of freedom 84. A mind of living water 85. A mind of unbelievable kindness 86. A grateful mind 87. An on time mind* 88. A spiritual mind 89. A thoughtful mind 90. A soul-wining mind to sow and reap 91. An eternal life mind 92. A healing mind 93. A miracle mind 94. An obedient mind 95. A mind of determination 96. A divine blood mind 97. A mind completely surrendered 98. A mind of honor 99. A perfect mind like the first Adam 100. A mind just like the heavenly Father 101. A sound mind* 102. A mind of power 103. A made up mind 104. A mind with the right attitudes (#134) 105. A patient mind 106. An unshakable mind 107. A mind of compassion 108. A mind with the six spiritual senses 109. The Eden mind with holy physical senses 110. A gracious mind 111. A quick mind 112. A watching mind 113. A mind of pure light 114. A lovely mind 115. A submissive mind 116. A waiting mind 117. A mind of zeal to do God's work 118. A mind of heaven's courage 119. A peculiar mind 120. An alert mind 121. An honest mind 122. A mind of humility 123. A mind of a good report 124. A mind of complete self control 125. A mind without spot 126. A mind without wrinkles, blemishes or any such thing 127. A "boastless" mind 128. A mind to respect each person* 129. A renewed mind 130. A mind of righteousness 131. A mind stayed on the Lord 132. A mind that pleased God 133. The Eden mind 134. A blessed mind of the Beatitudes (#104) 135. A mind with the divine blood shield 136. An exciting mind 137. A mind of blood happiness 138. A mind without any guile 139. An overcoming mind 140. A working mind (#68) 141. A mind of all the promises of God
 
andy153 said:
I agree with Free, both YEC and OEC cannot be correct.
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It takes a little bit of a understanding of science to really understand the young earth. You have to look at the condition the world was in 13,000 years ago. Much of the world was coverd with ice. The ocean level was 300 to 400 feet lower than it is now, because all of the water for all of that snow and ice had to come from somewhere. There was a mass extinction at about that time, there is a bottleneck in the DNA.

If you can not accept that this earth is a different place today than it was 13,000 years ago, then I think you need to study your science book somemore to see what this world was like before.
 
JohnR said:
It takes a little bit of a understanding of science to really understand the young earth.
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I've yet to hear anyone with an indepth understanding of science deffinitively explain a young earth. I think Ken Ham does a good job at showing how an old earth is questionable, and a young earth possible though.

That being said, I tend to find a yec to be likely... however not deffinitive by scientific or scriptual grounds.

I won't denounce oec or the gap theory though. I'm just happy that regardless of those three possible models.... God created everything :angel:
 
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