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Give us your absolute bottom-line Christian essentials

Christ_empowered said:
I always have difficulty understanding The Holy Spirit as a person, too. He is awfully mysterious.
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The Holy Spirit isn't a person. How could the believer ever be indwelt by a person?
Ephesians 4:30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Isaiah 11:2And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.

Neither the Nicene nor the Apostles creed say the Holy Spirit of God is a person.

Nicene Creed
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.


I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;

He descended into hell.

The third day He arose again from the dead;

He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting.

Amen.
 
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are commonly referred to, and have been since the first formulation of the doctrine, as the three Persons of the Trinity. The Trinity is commonly expressed as "one God in three Persons." Again we see the confusion caused by applying human terminology to non-human realities. No, the Holy Spirit is not a person in human terms. Yes, the Holy Spirit is a Person in Trinitarian terms.
 
chessman said:
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a :one of the three modes of being in the Trinitarian Godhead as understood by Christians
b :the unitary personality of Christ that unites the divine and human natures​

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Romans 8
Verse 9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

Lexicon :: Strong's G5547 - Christos
 
bottom line...................faith = Christ Jesus by the grace of God............... Nothing more, nothing less!!!

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 
Winter Tapioca said:
Romans 8
Verse 9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

Lexicon :: Strong's G5547 - Christos
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I am sorry you have arrived to this position because as you have already been instructed, there are three persons that compose our Triune God and one of them, the third in rank is the Holy Spirit.
 
wondering said:
What is the truth?
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jesus way truth life no man comes to the father but by him
1 Corinthians 15

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received: how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

4 and that He was buried, and that He arose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

absolute bottom-line Christian essentials for me i would have to base off these.

 
ezra said:
jesus way truth life no man comes to the father but by him
1 Corinthians 15

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received: how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

4 and that He was buried, and that He arose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

absolute bottom-line Christian essentials for me i would have to base off these.
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No one comes to the Father but through Him, is the scripture.
 
Winter Tapioca said:
No one comes to the Father but through Him, is the scripture.
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6 Jesus told him, “I am the way,I the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. hcsb

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me ASV through and by are of the same family.. what language did jesus speak kjv ? gnat straining
 
Runner said:
Just to be fair to dear old Fred, of whom I'm becoming rather fond, he does recognize the uniqueness of Christianity. He does recognize that Jesus' life, death and resurrection are the sole means for him to receive forgiveness and salvation.

Having recognized those essentials, he just isn't going to spend any more time pondering exactly who Jesus was or exactly how it all works.

As Fred reads his red-letter Bible, he will of course encounter some of Jesus' more startling statements: "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'" John 8:58, NASB. So clearly, Fred doesn't think Jesus was just some guy God happened to choose as the vehicle of salvation.

Jesus is, at a minimum, the Christ and the incarnation of a heavenly being - but Fred is content to leave it at that, without wading into the debate as to whether Jesus is the Second Person of a Trinity, "merely" the begotten Son of God, or the image of God in some way that we are unable to grasp.

Fred believes he can't go wrong by simply recognizing that Jesus is the Christ, the unique Person whose life, death and resurrection make salvation possible. He is concerned that if he locks himself into a dogmatic position, whether it be the Second Person of the Trinity or "merely" the begotten Son of God, he could turn out to be very wrong in a way that is displeasing to God and detrimental to his own relationship with God.
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Runner,
I was going to give you a :thumbsup

Then I had to stop!
I agree with everything you've said.
I like good ole' Fred myself and I've decided to do what Fred does.

Maybe it's because I had to teach it to kids, who knows, but I DO think it's important to know about the Trinity. I don't think one's understanding of it has anything AT ALL to do with their salvation or we'd all be doomed!
However I do think it's important to believe there is only ONE God and not three Gods. I will go that far.

Otherwise, I do believe we agree on everything.
So...
:thumbsup
 
Winter Tapioca said:
"It" ?

“Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me” (Psalm 51:11).
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Sorry 'bout that.
But God does know what I meant.

When discussing the O.T. I sometimes will slip and say "it".
In the O.T. the spirit was understood to be the spirit of God and not a person.
Although, it was evident that "it" was a person with the enlightening of the N.T.

When discussing the N.T., I do believe I've NEVER done this. (refer to the Holy Spirit as an it).

You're new here. Everyone here knows I believe the Holy Spirit is a person.

Welcome to the forum, btw.
Good to have you.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
 
Christ_empowered said:
I always have difficulty understanding The Holy Spirit as a person, too. He is awfully mysterious.
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We tend to think of the spirit as the spirit of a person.
Something within them that is not a real thing but only a concept.

The Holy Spirit OTOH, is like The Christ.
The Christ is also a concept but is also a person called Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is a person made from the love that God and Jesus share.
He literally came to life because of their love.
But He always existed, just as God Father and God Son did.
They are all three of the same stuff.

Some people pray to the Holy Spirit for help.
 
Winter Tapioca said:
Just for my own curiosity I feel I have to ask this. People here do know that "Christ" isn't Jesus' last name, right?
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Hope you noticed that you didn't get a reply.
We're all trying to be nice...!

OR, I could have said...
NO, WE are ALL OF US waiting for YOU to teach it to us.
:hysterical

Be nice, WT !!
 
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