ÃÂoppleganger said:Gnostics call it that not me, christianity isn't transcendentalism either. IF faith and salvation were based on it most people would die a 2nd spirtual death anyways. Thats the message of the gospels & Epistles. Your message doesn't come from the Bible and you can't show me any proof it does! Only certain people, special people can have that! Well God gave many gifts to man I don't ever read Transcendence being 1 of them. I was given the gift of prophecy once! And it totally came true. I don't need your fake religion to enlighten me, Thank-you very much!?!
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Proverbs 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Job 15:2 Should a wise man utter vain knowledge, and fill his belly with the east wind? {vain...: Heb. knowledge of wind}
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. {law: or, doctrine} {converting: or, restoring}
Psalms 107:43 Whoso is wise, and will observe these things, even they shall understand the lovingkindness of the LORD.
Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
Ecclesiastes 9:17 The words of wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.
Ecclesiastes 8:5 Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment. {shall...: Heb. shall know}
Isaiah 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! {in their own sight: Heb. before their face}
Proverbs 24:23 These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment.
Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. {in vain made...: or, the false pen of the scribes worketh for falsehood}
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
Amen ÃÂoppleganger!
Such nonsense as many of these gnostic pushers present on these boards is pure rubbish, perversions of the teachings in the bible.
As far as I am concerned, they are in the same category as Dan Brown! and they only present deception of truth!
Way too many Gnostics are very adept at luring the innocent Christian, who is still only on the milk of the word, into a den of sensuality of self aggrandizement... A den of "feelings" in which they feed on and get high on!
And, those who are privy to the deceptive ways of these liberal gnostics, know that demons present themselves as angels of light! Many of the gnostics uplift self and honor the inverted experience. The gnostics get high on their own "feelings" of being enlightened! They speak half truths and then go on to ignore what Christianity is really all about! Christianity is not about transcendence or yoga positions or meditating on "emptying" your mind! It is not about the experience of self and feelings you get from going inward! The essence of many of these gnostic mystics and their teachings is to look inward and to get high on self, to high on "feelings", with or without the aid of some kind of drug! Drugs are allowed if they want. It's based on a "personal" perference. Though some do not use drugs as an aid. It's a "personal" experience that is not totally reliant on the 'HOLY" Spirit of JHVH GD. They rely on the spirit alright! But it is NOT the 'HOLY" Spirit of JHVH GD. The think that all spirits are special. And they totally take for granted the teachings of the characters of "spirit", as taught in the bible!
So then, I must say, that is not what Christ Jesus is all about! Not at all!
This Transcendence rubbish is so very misleading!
Many of the gnostics allow astrology and Tarot classes to be held in the basements of their churches. They allow hypnotism as a form of therapy, they allow homosexuality is being acceptable to them and they also allow wiccans to practice their rituals as usual. The gnostics do not the teach the true meaning and value of repentance, at all! Instead they accept all forms of heathenism, paganism, and mysticism from their members personal preferences to be practiced. They don't encourage anyone to change hedonistic behaviors, but they allow it even in the basements of their church buildings! :o
The gnostic churches are the most liberal, "unity/universalists" churches you will find on the planet!
Before I got serious about Jesus Christ being in my life and allowing His Holy Spirit to work on transforming my life, I frequented plenty of those kinds of Churches! And found so much deception in their practices and teachings! I was shocked at what I saw! Totally shocked!
Most gnostics don't teach repentance of any kind! As a matter of fact, many of them exclude any mention of repentance for application in their lives, and instead they pass off a false teachings about what grace is, and they proceed to teach falsely that grace is the excuse for having reason to carry on as they want to. They don't preach to "GO AND SIN NO MORE". Except, they continue IN their sins, and don't see anything the "world" considers as being "mysticism" as being a sin at all. :-? They don't consider many of the pagan religions as being against the truth in the gospels, but they consider pagan religions as being in unity with spirit of love. :o
Rubbish teachings! They twist and pervert the truth about the meaning of what is HOLY and what is NOT HOLY! They think that the Kingdom of Heaven is within "themselves" BUT they leave out the fact that the only way to receive the truth about the Kingdom of Heaven is to FOLLOW the teachings of the TORAH, Which by the way, ARE the teachings JESUS LIVED BY and taught! He of course rebuked the Pharisees from being ritualistic and haughty, but Jesus DID NOT eliminate the truth about what is HOLY and what is NOT HOLY!
The gnostics ignore the truth of what is considered HOLY and what is considered NOT HOLY, as stated in the BIBLE. They insist that the writings of the gnostics are acceptable. But in fact, even Paul the apostle of Christ Jesus rebuked those who followed after the gnostics!
Shame, such a shame, that these people here who preach others to follow after the gnostics are allowed to continue to do so without being banned from this place. Such a shame that young Christians who come here are lead to the den of these thieves! They steal and destroy the truth right out from under the innocent young Christians. Those who are still feeding on the milk of the scriptures.
Beware of the Gnostics! There is much deception in their teachings. They take you on paths that are full of self aggrandizement and fantasy! They take you on that path to some kind of a hippy high! It is all misleading and only leads to a dead end, emptiness. There is no "real salvation from sin" in those teachings of the gnostics! Instead, the gnostics accept many forms of idolatry, hedonism, and false gods as being a way to enlightenment.
Only Christ Jesus teaches salvation from ALL sin! There is no other teaching that teaches salvation from sin by way of taking up your own cross and following Jesus! Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. Not some Mystic of Buddha or Guru, or Transcendent experience!
Mysticism is a form of idolatry and hedonism! So beware of the gnostics in their acceptance of many forms of mysticism and liberal acceptance of paganism in many different forms!
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