God cannot err

[Grazer]

G: We need to go to Philippians 2.8 re. humility.

Philippians 2:8 NIV

And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

One of the things that strikes me about the story with the woman they wanted to stone that was brought to Jesus. What did Jesus do? Did he quote scripture/the word? No he simply sat and drew in the sand. What was he waiting for? I propose he was waiting for his father to speak to him through the spirit. It was the Pharisees quoting scripture verbatim in order to stone the woman and entrap Jesus. Now I'm not saying I am like Jesus in any way but when people quote scripture and go "it says therefore we should do" I'm reminded of this passage because that's what the Pharisees did. You'll get no arguments on treating scripture with respect and seriously but taking a verse or 2 and going "here's why" without any context is not treating scripture seriously in my view.

Below is that story (interestingly, not all manuscripts have it apparently)

John 8:2-11 NIV

At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

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[farouk]

Philippians 2:8 NIV

And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

One of the things that strikes me about the story with the woman they wanted to stone that was brought to Jesus. What did Jesus do? Did he quote scripture/the word? No he simply sat and drew in the sand. What was he waiting for? I propose he was waiting for his father to speak to him through the spirit. It was the Pharisees quoting scripture verbatim in order to stone the woman and entrap Jesus. Now I'm not saying I am like Jesus in any way but when people quote scripture and go "it says therefore we should do" I'm reminded of this passage because that's what the Pharisees did. You'll get no arguments on treating scripture with respect and seriously but taking a verse or 2 and going "here's why" without any context is not treating scripture seriously in my view.

Below is that story (interestingly, not all manuscripts have it apparently)

John 8:2-11 NIV

At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

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G: I don't fully understand your point, because the Lord Jesus repeatedly said: 'It is written...'

 

[Grazer]

G: I don't fully understand your point, because the Lord Jesus repeatedly said: 'It is written...'

He did but not at that moment he didn't. He waited for something new to be given to him before he said anything.

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[Deborah13]

I think God has changed his mind on a couple of occasions; Moses seemed to talk him out of a couple of things; not sure what bracket you'd put that in.

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I'd put that in the bracket of what the word 'repent' literally means in both the Hebrew and the Greek ' to change one's mind', plain and simple. This does not mean that God was in error for His first decision it just means He changed His mind.
As a Christian who needs to repent when I am out of line....this means I need to 'change my mind to bring it into alignment with God's Word which is the standard I need to live by'. So was I in error? Yes.
However, God does not err, He is the standard. When He repented He simply 'changed His mind about what He was going to do'. He has no one else's standard to judge His decisions by.

 

[Deborah13]

I'd put that in the bracket of what the word 'repent' literally means in both the Hebrew and the Greek ' to change one's mind', plain and simple. This does not mean that God was in error for His first decision it just means He changed His mind.
As a Christian who needs to repent when I am out of line....this means I need to 'change my mind to bring it into alignment with God's Word which is the standard I need to live by'. So was I in error? Yes.
However, God does not err, He is the standard. When He repented He simply 'changed His mind about what He was going to do'. He has no one else's standard to judge His decisions by.

Oh and we need not worry and think He may change His mind about Jesus being our Redeemer. I cannot think of anywhere where God changed His mind after He had done something. We know that Jesus was in the plan from the very beginning.

 

[Grazer]

I'd put that in the bracket of what the word 'repent' literally means in both the Hebrew and the Greek ' to change one's mind', plain and simple. This does not mean that God was in error for His first decision it just means He changed His mind.
As a Christian who needs to repent when I am out of line....this means I need to 'change my mind to bring it into alignment with God's Word which is the standard I need to live by'. So was I in error? Yes.
However, God does not err, He is the standard. When He repented He simply 'changed His mind about what He was going to do'. He has no one else's standard to judge His decisions by.

Not sure how since the passages (and I will dig them out, I'm currently on a bus) clearly show God was going to do one thing, Moses interjected and God then did something else. He essentially changed his mind on his action.

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[Deborah13]

Not sure how since the passages (and I will dig them out, I'm currently on a bus) clearly show God was going to do one thing, Moses interjected and God then did something else. He essentially changed his mind on his action.

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Was God in error in His first judgment? No His judgments are the standard.
Did He decide to give a lesser punishment? Yes This is His decision.

Say you walk into God's court room. By His law He says that the sentance for your actions is death. Is He in error, no, they are His laws so they are just and fair.
Your attorney pleads your case for you. The judge has mercy on you and says, You are free, don't do it again.
Has He changed His mind about the original judgment, no. Just what the punishment will be.

When Moses appealed to God for mercy for the people He didn't change the judgment but gave them mercy as to the punishment.
The whole story is a picture of Christ as our Advocate and God's response.

Do we need to fear God will change is mind. No. Because we see He has not REALLY changed from the very beginning.

 

[Grazer]

Was God in error in His first judgment? No His judgments are the standard.
Did He decide to give a lesser punishment? Yes This is His decision.

Say you walk into God's court room. By His law He says that the sentance for your actions is death. Is He in error, no, they are His laws so they are just and fair.
Your attorney pleads your case for you. The judge has mercy on you and says, You are free, don't do it again.
Has He changed His mind about the original judgment, no. Just what the punishment will be.

When Moses appealed to God for mercy for the people He didn't change the judgment but gave them mercy as to the punishment.
The whole story is a picture of Christ as our Advocate and God's response.

Do we need to fear God will change is mind. No. Because we see He has not REALLY changed from the very beginning.

He changed his mind, he was going to do one thing then he did another. Why I don't know, what it means I don't know, why it's there I don't know. I just see God changing his mind. I'm trying to find the extract from Keith Wards book on why God is capable of changing his mind and why it's good that he is able to.

 

[farouk]

He changed his mind, he was going to do one thing then he did another. Why I don't know, what it means I don't know, why it's there I don't know. I just see God changing his mind. I'm trying to find the extract from Keith Wards book on this.

G: I don't know if this is what you intended, but finding fault with God for showing mercy is not a reverent thing to do. God still had to deal with the sin question and this was by punishing the Lord Jesus at the Cross, Who was willing to go there and suffer in order to save sinners.

 

[Grazer]

G: I don't know if this is what you intended, but finding fault with God for showing mercy is not a reverent thing to do. God still had to deal with the sin question and this was by punishing the Lord Jesus at the Cross, Who was willing to go there and suffer in order to save sinners.

I'm not finding fault with God for what he did at all, merely questioning the statement that God doesn't change his mind

 

[Grazer]

Found the thread I did on Keith Wards comments;

http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=44819

 

[Deborah13]

He changed his mind, he was going to do one thing then he did another. Why I don't know, what it means I don't know, why it's there I don't know. I just see God changing his mind. I'm trying to find the extract from Keith Wards book on why God is capable of changing his mind and why it's good that he is able to.

I hope you found your answers.

If we ask the right questions I believe God will give us the answers.

 

[Grazer]

I hope you found your answers.

If we ask the right questions I believe God will give us the answers.

As do I