The scriptures uses the word. I didn't write it.........................And it its not MY theology but God's word. "that the PURPOSE of God according to election might stand' ..............I didn't say this . And Romans 16:17 says..
The Problem is not the Word, the problem is you leaving out other scriptures to propagandize a false doctrine.
Pharaoh was loved of God, as God set him up as King and God's people were under Pharaoh. God blessed Pharaoh and all his substance and even put up with Pharaoh's nonsense with using wizards. It was Pharaoh that said no to God first, after all God had done for pharaoh.
Exo 3:19 And
I am sure that the king of Egypt will not let you go, no, not by a mighty hand.
So God knows he is pretty sure It's going to take a strong arm with Pharoah to get his people out. It did not say God predestined Pharaoh, but God knew Pharaoh's heart and was pretty sure it would take drastic measure to get his people out of Egypt. This is not God electing, this is God knowing the Heart of a person that God has blessed and set up. God also used the previous Pharaoh's daughter to save Moses.
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,
endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
You left out this scripture!!!! God endured with Pharaoh for a long time, it was Pharaoh that brought it on himself though judgment.
ESAU:
Right...................There is no way you say can "Esau I loved less" because it is so VERY PLAINY stated in scripture by the word of God "ESAU I hated."
Esau sold his birthright for a bowl of food. That bowl of food was more important than being the seed of Abraham. This is why God hated him because Esau despised his whole inheritance and sought repentance not for doing wrong or despising all God set up for him. He felt sorrowful for the material goods he lost out on once he saw the outcome.
JUDAS:
If we remember correctly as in take time to read the Word, Judas was just as much part of the group as the rest. Jesus called him a friend. Judas issue was money and was in charge of the money bag by which there was lots of money. Judas helped himself to some of that money, even getting mad about that expensive perfume he said could be sold. (So he could get his hands on it) Scripture had to be fulfilled, someone was going to betray Jesus and Judas knowing full well what he was doing took that bread. It was at that point Satan gained entrance by Judas choice.
josefnospam
Your false election Doctrine has been Myth Busted!!!! leaving out scriptures, twisting thing around is a bad thing to do.
God repented He made Saul King............................................... Guess God's election must must even confuse God
God grieved in his heart and repented he made man and had to drown them.................................... Guess God must of had second thoughts about that messed up election of having man.
God promised Eli and his family they would be royal priest.................... Guess God was wrong about that election also, as Eli ended up not being faithful.
God said I am taking you to the promise land......... That generation did not make it, guess God got his election all screwed up again.
Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me;
and if not, I will know.
Guess God forgot that he elected Sodom to be destroyed because he actually had to go and personally see if the cry of sin matched what was going on...............
Election = Busted.
This is Serious stuff, not a game or idle talk and our eternal destiny is at stake..............We must be sure we have the truth according to scriptures and as the Lord God almighty allows us to do so. But no need to ridicule or belittle anyone for there views. Let each one make there case, and consider carefully what is being said.................God Bless all who engage in any debates and may his truth prevail in all matters at all times.
Then you start taking the word serious and stop leaving out scriptures and start comparing line upon line, scripture with scripture.
Mike.
