God hates sinners?

[WIP]

I was reading a “Christian†wallet card this weekend and something on this card caught my attention. It said, “God hates sin and the sinner.†I couldn’t believe this was written on a “Christian†wallet card and I got angry at this! I firmly believe that God certainly hates sin. Of this I have no doubt at all but hate the sinner? If this is true then God hates all of us and every other human that has ever or will ever walk the earth with the exception of Jesus Christ for we are all sinners and fall short. I had to reread these verses to reaffirm my own belief.

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8 NKJV)

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (John 3:16 NKJV)

But now I’m not so sure this is all that farfetched because the word “sanctification†came to mind. When does one become sanctified and does sanctification release us from our sin guilt and therefore we are no longer seen as sinners by God? If so, what about the fact that even though we are found guiltless we are still weak and we continue to make mistakes and commit sin? Since we continue to commit sin are we not therefore sinners? By who’s definition, ours or God’s?

Don’t be surprised if I don’t respond too much to this thread. I will probably just sit back and contemplate what you all have to say.

 

[Adullam]

Love the sinner...hate the sin.:nod

 

[Pard]

Love the sinner...hate the sin.:nod

+1

 

[glorydaz]

I was reading a “Christian†wallet card this weekend and something on this card caught my attention. It said, “God hates sin and the sinner.†I couldn’t believe this was written on a “Christian†wallet card and I got angry at this! I firmly believe that God certainly hates sin. Of this I have no doubt at all but hate the sinner? If this is true then God hates all of us and every other human that has ever or will ever walk the earth with the exception of Jesus Christ for we are all sinners and fall short. I had to reread these verses to reaffirm my own belief.

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8 NKJV)

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (John 3:16 NKJV)

But now I’m not so sure this is all that farfetched because the word “sanctification†came to mind. When does one become sanctified and does sanctification release us from our sin guilt and therefore we are no longer seen as sinners by God? If so, what about the fact that even though we are found guiltless we are still weak and we continue to make mistakes and commit sin? Since we continue to commit sin are we not therefore sinners? By who’s definition, ours or God’s?

Don’t be surprised if I don’t respond too much to this thread. I will probably just sit back and contemplate what you all have to say.

I agree with the others. God hates sin but loves the sinner.

Our faith in Christ justifies us before God. Jesus paid the penalty for sin, now His righteousness is accounted to us when we become children of God and are born of the Holy Spirit. The Word says there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, so even though we still "sin", it isn't counted as such by God. We are slowly being conformed into His image by the Holy Spirit that dwells in us. Sanctification means "set apart" for God. As we grow in the faith, we put on the mind of Christ, and become more like Him.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus was teaching Nicodemus in John 3:1-7 that it was a Spiritual rebirth or renewal of our spirit that through Gods spoken word we can reconcile our past sins through repentance to be made sinless again before God. We are all born with a sin nature because of sin being introduced into the world through Satan’s deceit when he told Eve it was alright to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil even though God forbid them to eat of it. Our flesh will always sin because that is our nature and God can not see our flesh because of our sins nor can he hear the prayers of a sinner.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Sin separates us from God because God is a spirit and can only recognize his own children by what spirit is living in their hearts. We have to renew, rebirth - born again, Gods Spirit within us in order to be called a child of God and see the kingdom of heaven. We now put off the old man (flesh) and put on the new man (Spirit). We are renewed by the word of God and through the Holy Spirit teaching us of all things.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Colossians 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Colossians 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Colossians 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

 

[Hitch]

God loved Goliath, to death.

And I know beyond any doubt Dave asked nicely for those 100 foreskins.

And what could be more loving than grinding your enemies to powder, as Jesus said he would do?

And that Egyptian army?? He was only trying to wash them in all that water


I would urge ,especially those who are unbelievers to peruse; The imprecatory Psalms


The scriptures are true when they declare 'God is love' and Judge.

example;

Psalm 137:9 (ESV)
Psalm 137:9

9 Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones
and dashes them against the rock!

 

[for_his_glory]

God loved Goliath, to death.

And I know beyond any doubt Dave asked nicely for those 100 foreskins.

And what could be more loving than grinding your enemies to powder, as Jesus said he would do?

And that Egyptian army?? He was only trying to wash them in all that water


I would urge ,especially those who are unbelievers to peruse; The imprecatory Psalms


The scriptures are true when they declare 'God is love' and Judge.

example;

Psalm 137:9 (ESV)
Psalm 137:9

9 Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones
and dashes them against the rock!

Hitch you need to read the whole chapter to understand one verse as you just picked a vs. to try and prove your point, but this is not what this verse means as you stated God takes pleasure in killing children.

Edom means red or those who have a heart of deceit that set their hearts against the love of God. God has always destroyed the enemy before his people even though he loved them as they were made in his image, but yet conceived wild imaginations in their hearts that turned them away from the love of God. Hosea 4:6, 7 says my people perish for lack of knowledge. You forget me and my word and I will forget you and your children. Yes, even children because only God knows the hearts of a child how they will grow up to also be the enemy of Gods children.

 

[Gazelle]

This is why it's said that a non believer just can't understand until they do believe... until they have the Holy Spirit within, experience the peace that passes all understanding, the Love of God, they just can't understand. Which is why I try to speak only about Christ and nothing else to non believers...it's a waste of time and breath usually...

God loves you. " Deal with it." :toofunny

 

[Hitch]

Hitch you need to read the whole chapter to understand one verse as you just picked a vs. to try and prove your point, but this is not what this verse means as you stated God takes pleasure in killing children.

Get a grip ,it called an example. Besides it demonstrates very cleary what God thinks of His enemies, whether you like it or not.

Edom means red or those who have a heart of deceit that set their hearts against the love of God. God has always destroyed the enemy before his people even though he loved them as they were made in his image, but yet conceived wild imaginations in their hearts that turned them away from the love of God. Hosea 4:6, 7 says my people perish for lack of knowledge. You forget me and my word and I will forget you and your children. Yes, even children because only God knows the hearts of a child how they will grow up to also be the enemy of Gods children.

What you need to do is peruse the imprecatory Psalms and offer God your more enlightened version , doubtless He will be grateful