Bible Study GOD Is A Spirit

[WalterandDebbie]

8-16-24

How Can Jesus Be GOD, When He Said GOD Is A Spirit?

The Only Way That We Can See That Is Through His Incarnation Or Self-Existence, But Is That Right?

We are familiar with The Scriptures in the OT with and NT, The I AM, and especially John's Gospel, but Yeshua/Jesus He is to be called The Son Of The Living GOD.

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[LeviR]

8-16-24

How Can Jesus Be GOD, When He Said GOD Is A Spirit?

The Only Way That We Can See That Is Through His Incarnation Or Self-Existence, But Is That Right?

We are familiar with The Scriptures in the OT with and NT, The I AM, and especially John's Gospel, but Yeshua/Jesus He is to be called The Son Of The Living GOD.

Love, Walter And Debbie

I don’t have the problem with knowing who is meant when it’s said “God is a Spirit”.
However, someone who believes God is multiple persons might want to answer the question of who is meant there.
I would think that a definition of God as equaling 2 or more persons would suggest that “God” in that passage would refer to those two or more persons.
It becomes somewhat more of a dilemma if the person who is speaking in the passage is God.
And if it is suggested that God being a Spirit is a being that is incorporeal and therefore must be worshipped as such, for then to have the person whom is said to be God speaking to then have himself worshipped by being a material person who is said to be the image of God.

My belief is that the God who is a Spirit is meant the Father. And that the Father is not an incorporeal Spirit but has a body. And the one speaking in the passage is the son of the Father who was made in the image and likeness of his Father. And if it is required to honor the son as you would the Father, then to worship the son would be to the glory of the Father.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I don’t have the problem with knowing who is meant when it’s said “God is a Spirit”.
However, someone who believes God is multiple persons might want to answer the question of who is meant there.
I would think that a definition of God as equaling 2 or more persons would suggest that “God” in that passage would refer to those two or more persons.
It becomes somewhat more of a dilemma if the person who is speaking in the passage is God.
And if it is suggested that God being a Spirit is a being that is incorporeal and therefore must be worshipped as such, for then to have the person whom is said to be God speaking to then have himself worshipped by being a material person who is said to be the image of God.

My belief is that the God who is a Spirit is meant the Father. And that the Father is not an incorporeal Spirit but has a body. And the one speaking in the passage is the son of the Father who was made in the image and likeness of his Father. And if it is required to honor the son as you would the Father, then to worship the son would be to the glory of the Father.

Yes, LeviR, We agree, and thank you Sir.

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[RevSRE]

What about personal? The Bible depicts ultimate reality as personal, which here means having intelligence, thought, intentions, actions, and some degree of self-determination. It also means “relational”—being in relation to others, drawing one’s identity partly, at least, from relations with others.

Problems immediately appear here. If personal does not necessarily mean human, what do we know about it that is not based on humanity? The specter of projection looms over this whole discussion of ultimate reality as personal. Are we not, as atheist philosopher Ludwig Feuerbach (1804–72) argued, simply projecting ourselves, humanity, onto ultimate reality? After all, what do we know about the category “person” except human personhood? And before Feuerbach, another German philosopher named Johann Fichte (1762–1814) argued that calling ultimate reality personal is fraught with problems especially since personal implies, as with humans, limitation. Even a nonhuman person, according to Fichte, would be limited, finite, because to be personal is to be in relation to others. These are philosophical problems that have caused many people, including not a few Christians, to shy away from regarding ultimate reality as personal. Theologian Tillich, for example, responded by referring to ultimate reality, which he called “Being Itself,” and which he equated with God, as “suprapersonal.”

Be all that as it may, nothing could be clearer to the unbiased Bible reader than that it depicts ultimate reality as not a thing or object or mere force or power but as someone who thinks, deliberates, acts, enters into relationships with others, responds to others, and has freedom to determine himself. And it depicts ultimate reality—that which is beyond appearance, upon which all else depends, the source of all that is—as more than nature, not part of nature, even the author of nature who is free to intervene in it. What words are better suited to describe such an ultimate reality than personal and supernatural—even if they are inadequate and problematic?

A very good discussion of this very complicated subject. The Essentials of Christian Thought Copyright © 2017 by Roger E. Olson, Zondervan, 3900 Sparks Dr. SE, Grand Rapids, Michigan 49546, ePub Edition © February 2017: ISBN 978-0-3105-2156-3

The phrase “God is a spirit essence” refers to the belief that God’s nature is fundamentally spiritual rather than physical. This idea is rooted in passages like John 4:24, which states, "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth"1.

In essence, it means that God is immaterial, invisible, and not bound by physical form or limitations. God’s attributes, such as omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence, are part of His spiritual essence2. This understanding emphasizes that true worship of God must be spiritual, aligning with His nature1.

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[WalterandDebbie]

What about personal? The Bible depicts ultimate reality as personal, which here means having intelligence, thought, intentions, actions, and some degree of self-determination. It also means “relational”—being in relation to others, drawing one’s identity partly, at least, from relations with others.

Problems immediately appear here. If personal does not necessarily mean human, what do we know about it that is not based on humanity? The specter of projection looms over this whole discussion of ultimate reality as personal. Are we not, as atheist philosopher Ludwig Feuerbach (1804–72) argued, simply projecting ourselves, humanity, onto ultimate reality? After all, what do we know about the category “person” except human personhood? And before Feuerbach, another German philosopher named Johann Fichte (1762–1814) argued that calling ultimate reality personal is fraught with problems especially since personal implies, as with humans, limitation. Even a nonhuman person, according to Fichte, would be limited, finite, because to be personal is to be in relation to others. These are philosophical problems that have caused many people, including not a few Christians, to shy away from regarding ultimate reality as personal. Theologian Tillich, for example, responded by referring to ultimate reality, which he called “Being Itself,” and which he equated with God, as “suprapersonal.”

Be all that as it may, nothing could be clearer to the unbiased Bible reader than that it depicts ultimate reality as not a thing or object or mere force or power but as someone who thinks, deliberates, acts, enters into relationships with others, responds to others, and has freedom to determine himself. And it depicts ultimate reality—that which is beyond appearance, upon which all else depends, the source of all that is—as more than nature, not part of nature, even the author of nature who is free to intervene in it. What words are better suited to describe such an ultimate reality than personal and supernatural—even if they are inadequate and problematic?

A very good discussion of this very complicated subject. The Essentials of Christian Thought Copyright © 2017 by Roger E. Olson, Zondervan, 3900 Sparks Dr. SE, Grand Rapids, Michigan 49546, ePub Edition © February 2017: ISBN 978-0-3105-2156-3

The phrase “God is a spirit essence” refers to the belief that God’s nature is fundamentally spiritual rather than physical. This idea is rooted in passages like John 4:24, which states, "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth"1.

In essence, it means that God is immaterial, invisible, and not bound by physical form or limitations. God’s attributes, such as omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence, are part of His spiritual essence2. This understanding emphasizes that true worship of God must be spiritual, aligning with His nature1.

1biblehub.com2www2.gracenotes.info3bing.com4blueletterbible.org5blog.biblesforamerica.org6wenstrom.org

Thank you RevSRE, for your input.

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[for_his_glory]

1. God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood and in the OT either spoke directly to the prophets or by angels and also various objects like a burning bush or an ass for example. Between the OT and NT God was silent towards Israel as when they returned to Israel from the Babylonian captivity they came back as merchants and not shepherds as they were disobedient to God going after other gods, Book of Malachi.

2. Jesus being the very Spirit of God before the foundation of the world as He and the Father are one was prophesied by the Prophets in the OT and spoken of by John the Baptist in the NT as John being the forerunner of Christ calling all to repent. As foretold Christ did come as the word of God made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness. He came as redeemer Savior through Gods grace as Christ is our faith that all can repent of their sins and have eternal life with the Father to all who will believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 1:1-4; 1 Peter 1:13-21

3. After the sacrifice of Christ God raised Him from the grave and as He had to ascend back up to heaven the promise was that He would never leave us or forsake us as when He ascended He sent down the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) to indwell all who will believe in Christ and His finished works on the cross. In the OT Gods Spirit fell on them for a time and purpose under heaven. Now we are indwelled with that power and authority through Gods grace that the Holy Spirit now works in us and through us teaching all things God wants us to learn. All three are Spiritual and Spiritual awakening's in us to know the will of God and walk in His statures. John 16:7-15

Ephesians 4: 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Yes, for_his_glory we are aware of 1 John 5:7, but the original transcript has different wording: 1 John 5 7 Deliberate Hoax? Or Inspired Scripture?

1 John 5 7 is spurious, and was not in the original manuscripts of the Bible, but what was the scripture in the original manuscripts supposed to read?

Friday 9-22-23 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tishri 6 5784, 94th. Summer Day

How did 1 John 5:7 get into the Bible? Was it original inspired scripture? or was it inserted by a meddler in the Middle Ages--a copyist who sought to bolster proof for the belief in the doctrine? Would allow a mere man to tamper with His inspired Word?
what does the evidence show?

IS 1 JOHN 5:7 NOT IN ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPT BEFORE THE 1600S? IF IT IS TRUE, WHY IS IT IN THE KJV?​

From "Answers To Your Bible Version Questions"
© 2001 by David W. Daniels

Question: Is it true that 1 John 5:7 is not in any Greek manuscript before the 1600s? If that is true, why is it in the King James Bible?

Answer: 1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed to cause.

It is true that there is a small number of Scriptures that are not the same between the King James Bible and the so-called "Majority" Greek text. There are a number of reasons for this:

1. The so-called "Majority" text was not really based on the majority of texts, but rather a relatively small number of manuscripts. The last person to try to find the differences between the majority of Greek manuscripts, Dr. Von Soden, did not collate more than 400 of the more than 5,000 Greek texts. In other words, what is commonly called the "Majority" Greek text is not a collation of the majority of manuscripts at all.
2. The "Majority" Greek text is also the main Greek text used by the Eastern Orthodox religion. They had a vested interest in changing (or deleting) some texts. More on this in a moment.
3. 1 John itself is not in a large number of extant Greek manuscripts.

So why then is 1 John 5:7 in the King James Bible, but not in many of the existing Greek manuscripts? To understand the answer, we must look at the history of what happened shortly after the Bible was written.

The Greek and Roman Institutions

During the early growth of the Christian church, ministers (whether saved or not) wrote down doctrines that they said were Christian and Biblical. Starting after the death of the apostles (about 100 AD) many people taught the lie that Jesus was not God the Son and Son of God, or that Jesus became God at His baptism, or the false doctrine that the Holy Spirit was not God or was not eternal.

The growing religion that became known as Roman Catholic, after many debates eventually agreed on the doctrine of the Trinity. So they had no reason to remove 1 John 5:7 from their Bibles, since it supported what they taught.

But the Greek Eastern Orthodox religion was combating a heresy called "Sabellianism," and would have found it easier to combat the heresy by simply removing the troubling passage from their Bibles.

A Trail of Evidence

But during this same time, we find mention of 1 John 5:7, from about 200 AD through the 1500s. Here is a useful timeline of references to this verse:

200 AD	Tertullian wrote "which three are one" based on the verse in his Against Praxeas, chapter 25.
250 AD	Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, "And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: "And the three are One" in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (see note for Old Latin)
350 AD	Priscillian referred to it [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. xviii, p. 6.]
350 AD	Idacius Clarus referred to it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 62, col. 359.]
350 AD	Athanasius referred to it in his De Incarnatione
398 AD	Aurelius Augustine used it to defend Trinitarianism in De Trinitate against the heresy of Sabellianism
415 AD	Council of Carthage appealed to 1 John 5:7 when debating the Arian belief (Arians didn't believe in the deity of Jesus Christ)
450-530 AD	Several orthodox African writers quoted the verse when defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the Vandals. These writers are: A) Vigilius Tapensis in "Three Witnesses in Heaven" B) Victor Vitensis in his Historia persecutionis [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. vii, p. 60.] C) Fulgentius in "The Three Heavenly Witnesses" [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 65, col. 500.]
500 AD	Cassiodorus cited it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 70, col. 1373.]
550 AD	Old Latin ms r has it
550 AD	The "Speculum" has it [The Speculum is a treatise that contains some good Old Latin scriptures.]
750 AD	Wianburgensis referred to it
800 AD	Jerome's Vulgate has it [It was not in Jerome's original Vulgate, but was brought in about 800 AD from good Old Latin manuscripts.]
1000s AD	miniscule 635 has it
1150 AD	minuscule ms 88 in the margin
1300s AD	miniscule 629 has it
157-1400 AD	Waldensian (that is, Vaudois) Bibles have the verse
1500 AD	ms 61 has the verse
	Even Nestle's 26th edition Greek New Testament, based upon the corrupt Alexandrian text, admits that these and other important manuscripts have the verse: 221 v.l.; 2318 Vulgate [Claromontanus]; 629; 61; 88; 429 v.l.; 636 v.l.; 918; l; r.

The Vaudois

Now the "Waldensian," or "Vaudois" Bibles stretch from about 157 to the 1400s AD. The fact is, according to John Calvin's successor Theodore Beza, that the Vaudois received the Scriptures from missionaries of Antioch of Syria in the 120s AD and finished translating it into their Latin language by 157 AD. This Bible was passed down from generation, until the Reformation of the 1500s, when the Protestants translated the Vaudois Bible into French, Italian, etc.

This Bible carries heavy weight when finding out what God really said. John Wesley and Jonathan Edwards believed, as most of the Reformers, that the Vaudois were the descendants of the true Christians, and that they preserved the Christian faith for the Bible-believing Christians today.

Who Has the Most to Gain? Who Has the Most to Lose?

The evidence of history shows us that the Roman Catholic religion was relentless in its effort to destroy the Vaudois and their Bible. It took them until the 1650s to finish their hateful attacks. But the Vaudois were successful in preserving God's words to the days of the Reformation.

Now we have to ask ourselves a question: Who had the most to gain by adding to or taking away from the Bible? Did the Vaudois, who were being killed for having their Bibles, have anything to gain by adding to or taking from the words of God? Compromise is what the Roman religion wanted! Had the Vaudois just followed the popes, their lives would have been much easier.

But they counted the cost. This was not politics; it was their life and soul. They above all people would not want to change a single letter of the words they received from Antioch of Syria. And they paid for this with their lives.

What about the "scholars" at Alexandria, Egypt? We already know about them. They could not even make their few 45 manuscripts agree. How could we believe they preserved God's words?

The Reformation itself owes a lot to these Christians in the French Alps. They not only preserved the Scriptures, but they show to what lengths God would go to keep his promise (Psalm 12:6-7).

And that's only part of the story about the preservation of God's words.

Chick.com: Is 1 John 5:7 not in any Greek manuscript before the 1600s? If it is true, why is it in the KJV?​

1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed to cause.

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Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[WalterandDebbie]

8-26-24

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The Bible describes God’s throne as being in heaven, and Jesus is said to be seated at the right hand of God 123. This is often interpreted as meaning that Jesus is seated on a second throne next to God’s throne 3.
In the book of Revelation, John describes a vision of a throne in heaven with God seated on it and Jesus standing in the midst of it 1. The throne is described as being surrounded by a rainbow and having lightning and thunder emanating from it 1.
While the Bible does not explicitly state that Jesus shares God’s throne, it does describe him as having his own throne 3. In the New Testament, Jesus is described as being seated on his own throne at the right hand of God 3.
In summary, while the Bible does not provide a clear answer to your question, it does suggest that Jesus has his own throne and is seated at the right hand of God’s throne.


1 John 5:7 is a verse in the Bible that has been the subject of much debate among scholars and theologians. The verse reads, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” 1.
The phrase “these three are one” has been interpreted in different ways by different groups. Some interpret it to mean that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in essence or substance, while others interpret it to mean that they are one in purpose or unity 1.
However, it is important to note that this verse is not found in many of the earliest Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. It was added later by scribes and is not considered to be part of the original text by most modern scholars 1.
I hope this helps!

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[JLB]

How Can Jesus Be GOD, When He Said GOD Is A Spirit?

Do you agree with the scriptures that teach us the Word (Jesus) BECAME flesh?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

again -

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory. 1 Timothy 3:16


JLB

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Do you agree with the scriptures that teach us the Word (Jesus) BECAME flesh?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

again -

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory. 1 Timothy 3:16


JLB

Yes, Completely, Brother.

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[JLB]

Yes, Completely, Brother.

Love, Walter And Debbie

Amen.


What was He before He became flesh?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Amen.


What was He before He became flesh?

I believe in what the scriptures reveal, in Exodus 3:1-22 KJV and John's Gospel John 8:58 KJV, but what is your understanding?

Exodus 3

God Miraculously Appears

1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.

2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

God Calls Moses To Leadership

7 And the Lord said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;

8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.

9 Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto me: and I have also seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them.

10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt.

Who Am I?

11 And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?

12 And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain.

What Is His Name

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

17 And I have said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt unto the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, unto a land flowing with milk and honey.

18 And they shall hearken to thy voice: and thou shalt come, thou and the elders of Israel, unto the king of Egypt, and ye shall say unto him, The Lord God of the Hebrews hath met with us: and now let us go, we beseech thee, three days' journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice to the Lord our God.

19 And I am sure that the king of Egypt will not let you go, no, not by a mighty hand.

20 And I will stretch out my hand, and smite Egypt with all my wonders which I will do in the midst thereof: and after that he will let you go.

21 And I will give this people favour in the sight of the Egyptians: and it shall come to pass, that, when ye go, ye shall not go empty.

22 But every woman shall borrow of her neighbour, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: and ye shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians.

Love, Walter

 

[JLB]

I believe in what the scriptures reveal, in Exodus 3:1-22 KJV and John's Gospel John 8:58 KJV, but what is your understanding?

I believe He was God (the Son) before He became flesh.

The Angel (Messenger) of the LORD.

Angels are spirits.

The Angel of the LORD would be the Spirit of the LORD.

Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Corinthians 3:17


JLB.

 

[LeviR]

I believe He was God (the Son) before He became flesh.

The Angel (Messenger) of the LORD.

Angels are spirits.

The Angel of the LORD would be the Spirit of the LORD.

Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Corinthians 3:17


JLB.

Who was the God on top of Mount Sinai who did not allow Moses to see His face but only His back as He passed by?

 

[JLB]

Who was the God on top of Mount Sinai who did not allow Moses to see His face but only His back as He passed by?

Jesus on the mount of transfiguration.

 

[LeviR]

Jesus on the mount of transfiguration.

Huh?

 

[for_his_glory]

8-26-24

1 John 5 7 is spurious, and was not in the original manuscripts of the Bible, but what was the scripture in the original manuscripts supposed to read? - Bing

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What is the throne of GOD? - Search (bing.com)


The Bible describes God’s throne as being in heaven, and Jesus is said to be seated at the right hand of God 123. This is often interpreted as meaning that Jesus is seated on a second throne next to God’s throne 3.
In the book of Revelation, John describes a vision of a throne in heaven with God seated on it and Jesus standing in the midst of it 1. The throne is described as being surrounded by a rainbow and having lightning and thunder emanating from it 1.
While the Bible does not explicitly state that Jesus shares God’s throne, it does describe him as having his own throne 3. In the New Testament, Jesus is described as being seated on his own throne at the right hand of God 3.
In summary, while the Bible does not provide a clear answer to your question, it does suggest that Jesus has his own throne and is seated at the right hand of God’s throne.


1 John 5:7 is a verse in the Bible that has been the subject of much debate among scholars and theologians. The verse reads, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” 1.
The phrase “these three are one” has been interpreted in different ways by different groups. Some interpret it to mean that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in essence or substance, while others interpret it to mean that they are one in purpose or unity 1.
However, it is important to note that this verse is not found in many of the earliest Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. It was added later by scribes and is not considered to be part of the original text by most modern scholars 1.
I hope this helps!

Love, Walter And Debbie

Thank you for sharing this. There have been so many that believe certain scriptures were added to the Bible because of the Greek that actually can makes things very confusing as in are we reading truth or error. But if we are truly allowing the Holy Spirit teach us and give us the wisdom and understanding of the word of God then we know all of scripture is inspired by God in what He had the Prophets and Apostles to write.

 

[RevSRE]

I believe He was God (the Son) before He became flesh.

The Angel (Messenger) of the LORD.

Angels are spirits.

The Angel of the LORD would be the Spirit of the LORD.

Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Corinthians 3:17


JLB.

Here is an idea to pray about! The Holy Trinity has no corporeal physical form. We say person and immediately think physical, like a human. We need to be careful with our mind picture. The Self-existent Spirit Essence is a person but not human. Person here means thinking feeling acting. The Image of God in man is this person, the ability to think feel act and 'With knowledge of results, make choices ".
Now look at this idea!
It was from The Self-existent Spirit Essence that the WORD came to earth and became flesh to dwell with us, to pay a debt we could not Pay. BUT, OH THE COST! Jesus was a man, lived as a man, learned a trade, taught us Truth, ... HE took our place on a Roman Cross, He dismissed His Spirit and knew death... But God raised Him from the dead, He was changed and given a resurrection body, then transfiguration took Him to sit at God's right hand!
But, OH THE COST, Where does it say Emanuel returned to the Self-existent Spirit Essence. We see Him next in revelation "The Lamb that was Slain", the one worthy to open the book!
Once He took the human form to pay our debt He kept that form to the end, the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS IS THE MAN JESUS. He was and is human, yes raised from death and transferred to Heaven, but still a man. OH! WHAT HE GAVE FOR ME!

 

[JLB]

Here is an idea to pray about! The Holy Trinity has no corporeal physical form.

Please share the scripture that says what you are claiming.

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;... Genesis 1:26

The scripture teaches that we are made in the image of God.

“I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire; Daniel 7:9

God the Father has hair and a head.
If He was seated then He also has form and features like a man.

And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. Revelation 5:1

Here in revelation we see God the Father has hands, which means He has arms.


JLB

 

[RevSRE]

Please share the scripture that says what you are claiming.

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;... Genesis 1:26

The scripture teaches that we are made in the image of God.

“I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire; Daniel 7:9

God the Father has hair and a head.
If He was seated then He also has form and features like a man.

And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. Revelation 5:1

Here in revelation we see God the Father has hands, which means He has arms.


JLB

Here is the problem with this site and the people on it that are so quick to jump to a point that they clearly do not understand and miss the beauty of a truth presented as a blessing to hearts that can understand.
God is the Eternal Self-existent Spirit Essence, the Majesty of Holiness. It should stand to reason that as a Spirit, God has to appear to His creatures in a form they may understand. And this has nothing to do with what I was saying. Look for the Beauty in the Price Jesus Paid. He did leave the PLACE OF THE ETERNAL GOD TO BE A MAN AND DIE IN MY PLACE. No Proof text you may find will improve on that BEAUTIFUL THOUGHT!