Bible Study God Is In Control

[th1b.taylor]

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Good evening Gary, I had expected a hot study and that's what we have.

 

[Deborah13]

God is omniscent which means He knows everything 1 John 3:20

My post was to white hamster, asking for her to explain how her post #12 relates to my post # 11.

I agree that God knows everything and is everywhere. I didn't ever disagree with that statement.

Yes,it seems that I did.I don't know what my source was since it was this morning and it was going through pages and pages of resource notes.

lol, no worries.

That passage is simply saying that the worshipers of Baal turned from God and burned their children in sacrifice. Something God did not tell them to do, nor did it cross his mind to command such.

And that is exactly what I said it said. :nod
So how does your post #12 relate to this?
https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/matthew-henry/Jer.19.1-Jer.19.9

 

[th1b.taylor]

Great thread Bill.. I'd like to add this..

Psalm 46:7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth.

9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

tob

Good evening TOB, Psalm 46:10 would be my Life Verse were it not Psalm 23:1. I love the first ten verses of the forty-sixth Psalm.

 

[jasonc]

Good evening TOB, Psalm 46:10 would be my Life Verse were it not Psalm 23:1. I love the first ten verses of the forty-sixth Psalm.

its been three years since july19, 2011 my grandma last birthday. she was laid to rest with that psalms 23 and proverbs 31 verses. the former is often used for funerals of jews. as my grandpa and uncle had that said over them. since then I always think of that verse and remember them.

 

[turnorburn]

The first time i heard that Psalm was a long time ago in front of a television watching a movie called "Zulu" about a small British outpost in Africa.. In a war between 100 British soldiers and 3000 Zulu warriors.. the British won the battle.. i remember a color Sergeant quoting this verse before the battle..

Psalm 46:9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

Got goosebumps on that one..

tob

 

[jasonc]

tension break

http://officialhuskylovers.com/8-weeks-husky-brothers-playing/

 

[AirDancer]

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[AirDancer]

This thread is now re-opened after much cleaning.

If it gets messy again, and the dust bunnies start snarling once again, the thread will be closed and warnings will be issued.

Remember, this thread is in a non-debate forum. We are Christians here, and thus we should display Christian love as we discuss this excellent topic.

 

[AirDancer]

This is the OP:

Proverbs 19:21
Romans 8:28
Jeremiah 29:11
Isaiah 45:6-7
Joshua 1:9
The study of the power of God a truly eye opening study. These five verses were intentionally extracted from the study located at http://www.openbible.info/topics/god_is_in_control in order to avoid posting an entire study list.

In the world and in the church I am often met with fierce rhetoric declaring my teaching on this matter heretical. I am guilty of, most often, taking the easy way out by asking these folks to read the entire book of Job, please. It appears that I am, today, considered to be unreasonable, asking people to read a whole book of the Bible.

But there is a rule I live by, concerning scripture, "If God had a thing recorded once in the scriptures, we need to pay attention. If God has directed anything be repeated, it is like unto highlighting a critical instruction on a set of Blue Prints or the highlighted path to a delivery point handed to a Driver by his dispatcher. If a thing is retold three times, it is not to be forgotten." The fact that God controls everything is recorded over and over throughout the whole of scripture.

Yet we have in the Church Universal a huge movement declaring that God is not in control of Hell, not in control of ISIS and not in control of my life. This is but one of the proverbial Match Boxes we seek to hold God in inside our pocket and purses. God is without limit, so much so that in my opinion, we do not yet and might never fully understand His unlimited power.

 

[Eugene]

All things concerning predestination are according to His foreknowledge.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
1 Pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father . .

God does use the things of the world to show His power, and remains in control doing so.
Romans 9:17 "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth."
Romans 13:1-2 "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."

God’s dealing with man is not subject to man’s council or thinking. His will is going to be done according to a plan put into effect before the foundation of the world, and that included the death of our Savior.
For instance in Mat 28:18 we read that all power had been given to Jesus in heaven and earth. Has that yet taken place in actuality?
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

God is in control, but we don’t always see the purpose of Satan’s testing of Job beforehand, Joseph allowed to be taken into Egypt, Daniel’s forty-nine weeks, and nations seemingly out of control in the world today. Ecc 3:1 There remains a time and a season to every purpose under the heaven.

1 Pet 1:7 Even the trial of our faith is the work of God, and always for our good (Rom 8:28), and Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.

Enough for now.

 

[th1b.taylor]

All things concerning predestination are according to His foreknowledge.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
1 Pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father . .

God does use the things of the world to show His power, and remains in control doing so.
Romans 9:17 "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth."
Romans 13:1-2 "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."

God’s dealing with man is not subject to man’s council or thinking. His will is going to be done according to a plan put into effect before the foundation of the world, and that included the death of our Savior.
For instance in Mat 28:18 we read that all power had been given to Jesus in heaven and earth. Has that yet taken place in actuality?
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

God is in control, but we don’t always see the purpose of Satan’s testing of Job beforehand, Joseph allowed to be taken into Egypt, Daniel’s forty-nine weeks, and nations seemingly out of control in the world today. Ecc 3:1 There remains a time and a season to every purpose under the heaven.

1 Pet 1:7 Even the trial of our faith is the work of God, and always for our good (Rom 8:28), and Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.

Enough for now.

Thank you Eugene, I just got my coffee and messages. You saved me collecting the scriptures because at this point I feel it a good thing to explain my position on the much maligned point of predestination.

I have, since completing my first year as a Christian, driving my wife crazy studying until 2 or 3 in the morning to understand God, believed that both major positions on Predestination are wrong. The Armenian Position denies it, even though scripture teaches it. The Five Point Hyper Calvinist demands that God is a capricious god and has created some for no other purpose than to go to Hell for eternity.

To arrive at either of these positions, one must disregard some scripture and I cannot do that, the Holy Spirit troubles my spirit if I try to go there. Eugene has been kind enough to do my leg work and has provided a scripture study of this side topic and for those so inclined, the web is full of Bible studies covering the two major points of view and I encourage you to, vigorously pursue both points of view, knowing both are scripturally supported as is my point of view.

I do believe in Predestination, as mentioned, because the Bible, God's Word, teaches it. When we read the Bible, as though it were a mystery novel, there is a point of view that can be, and according to the Word, was intended to be, difficult for the lost man to see. We must, always remember God is Omnipotent, and Omnipresent, all knowing and ever present. In the Spirit Realm I can find no, humanly real, time perspective. We are taught, by god that a thousand years and day are no different to our Master, God.
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We are taught that God knew the beginning and the end before He ever began creation. Thus, considering all of the attributes God has taught us of Himself, I can say, without any doubt, that God knew the very instant I would accept the presence of the Holy Spirit into my heart, thousands of years before I was born and because He knew, He recorded my name in the Book of Life... Predestination.

So, back on topic, please. I can, today, lay here and rejoice that I have doctors winning and losing bets on how much longer I will suffer and live with this debilitating disease God has counted me worthy to be tested by Satan with. I will live in this, unglorified, until my LORD calls me Home. The control, both absolute and as illustrated by Job and by my case, the permissive will of God, is a true comfort to my soul.

I was an active member of the Killer Spades (the most decorated Aviation outfit in the world) in part of 1968 and the first half of 1969. Without being a saved man I suffered every day there because every two weeks we averaged seven men lost, killed. That pain was intolerable making the pain I endure now a minor event and the fact that I know my Master, the one that purchased my soul, is in control makes me rejoice and glorify Him.

May God bless every one of us with His mind.

 

[for_his_glory]

Great OP as it also reminds me of John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
From Genesis to Revelation we have been warned of things that have come and yet to come. God has always been there to destroy the enemy and many martyr's have laid down their own lives with the witness of God on their lips. Are we to fear that which must come, or should we be trusting that God is in control and that we have picked up our cross to follow Him.

I hear many say, how can God be in control, but yet allow so much suffering in the world. Ruling powers controlled by Satan has always been and will be until that time of Christ return. God has a season and reason for everything in this world and as a child of God we need to be trusting His control no matter how bleak things may look.

Luke12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
Luke12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Great OP as it also reminds me of John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
From Genesis to Revelation we have been warned of things that have come and yet to come. God has always been there to destroy the enemy and many martyr's have laid down their own lives with the witness of God on their lips. Are we to fear that which must come, or should we be trusting that God is in control and that we have picked up our cross to follow Him.

I hear many say, how can God be in control, but yet allow so much suffering in the world. Ruling powers controlled by Satan has always been and will be until that time of Christ return. God has a season and reason for everything in this world and as a child of God we need to be trusting His control no matter how bleak things may look.

Luke12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
Luke12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Great post lass,
So convoluted is the instruction of fear these days. My mother would tell me, when I was young, "I brought you into this world and I can take you out," and "Fear? I know you think you fear nothing but you had better learn to fear me!" Using phrases such as these for instruction today can land a body in prison for Child Abuse, crazy.

My mother and my dad were both lost people that lived like Hell and in spite of their lack of faith I learned great lessons relating to the proper respect of our God. I was scared of failing dad, not because he might beat me but because it would break his heart and in, just, that manner, I fear God.

God has already purchased me, a slave, and has adopted me to be one of His sons, I cannot be lost in that manner but it is possible that I can disappoint Him. The argument, using God's attribute, omnipresence, can be made if we want to remain in the simple realm but our God is not a simple god and we are a complex creation.

As much as some will cry foul, there is great depth to be plumbed and understood when examining our Omnipotent God and His complex creation, man. While it is true that our father, God, already knows if I will fail Him or not, I do not know if I will or not. If I love God in a like manner to the manner that I love dad, I will work, strive, not to disappoint Him. Here is another major aspect worthy of it's own discussion and I will leave it right there.

 

[turnorburn]

That movie i mention was based on a true story..

On 22 January 1879, at Rorke's Drift on the Natal border with Zululand, in South Africa, a tiny British garrison of 140 men - many of them sick and wounded - fought for 12 hours to repel repeated attacks by up to 3,000 Zulu warriors. This heroic defence was rewarded by Queen Victoria's government with no fewer than 11 Victoria Crosses, and was later immortalised by the film Zulu (1964), directed by Cy Endfield.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/zulu_01.shtml

God Is in control

tob

 

[th1b.taylor]

That movie i mention was based on a true story..

On 22 January 1879, at Rorke's Drift on the Natal border with Zululand, in South Africa, a tiny British garrison of 140 men - many of them sick and wounded - fought for 12 hours to repel repeated attacks by up to 3,000 Zulu warriors. This heroic defence was rewarded by Queen Victoria's government with no fewer than 11 Victoria Crosses, and was later immortalised by the film Zulu (1964), directed by Cy Endfield.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/zulu_01.shtml

God Is in control

tob

Because the official government position was that we were not there there is a little known story about the Killer Spades operating just north of and in the Iron Triangle. We were well aware of the exact route of the Ho Chi Minh trail we were, by and largely, not permitted to operate at preventing the flow of traffic along that route. Dau Tieng is close enough to the border and to the Iron Triangle to operate in both sectors and we did provide Logistical air support from our base there.

It was so long ago that I do not recall the date any longer but the Cavalry was to engage a battalion in this operation, just over the border... not in Vietnam but almost at the end of the Ho Chi Minh trail. A flight of six Huey slicks delivered 42 men per flight and that morning '802 was Yellow One and followed by the Red And White flights. We were scheduled to fly three sorties into the LZ making 9 separate deliveries of Infantry Men on top of the MI reported NVA Battalion. With proper air support from the Air Force. Marines and Navy, a victory before days end.

Until this event, I had not thought much about God, nor that He might care about what happened to me or anyone else. As we approached the LZ fighter planes dropped their bombs and we saw a pair of A1s working the area with their machine guns and a few rockets. As we approached and began our flare machine guns from all around us opened up and our Tigers, AH-1 Cobras from Delta Co. 229th, began pouring rockets onto the edges of the wood line, try to silence those stinking Commie machine guns.

In, it seemed less than a second we were Flight Off and lifting above the heads of our Grunts, 12 M60 machine guns began laying down all the suppression fire we could pour onto these freaks trying to knock us out of the air. Before we disengaged I heard my Rotor Blades squealing at me, they had holes in them from all that fire in the LZ.

My Pilot, Peter Pilot and I always kept our On Guard switched on along with the Operational freq, Company freq, and the AM radio for the music and news. On the way out we hear Tiger 27 calling Battalion on the Company freq. and reporting that our flight, Yellow flight was shot all to hell up. the Peter Pilot, bless his inexperienced heart, keyed with fear evident asking, "Are we going to crash?" It still bring peals of laughter from my throat when I recall that.

Before our, very experienced 19 year old pilot could answer him Battalion was on freq. ordering Red and White to return to the Staging Area, the mission was canceled and the we, the Yellow Flight were to return to Stagging or to report where we were going to crash. Red One and White One reported returning to staging with their loads.

My Pilot finally looked over, I saw his helmet rolling with laughter and I could see the Peter Pilots eyes look in desperation as the pilot keyed up and told him, "No, this beast is the best ____ helicopter in Vietnam and we would not crash today. Then He keyed the Company freq and called, "S3 this Killer Spade 806, what about those men in the LZ?"

As began a lazy three minute turn we were instructed that those men had become expendable, to proceed to stagging." After a couple of seconds, long enough for the pilot to look at the Peter Pilot and to crain his head around the edge of his seat back with his thumb in the air towards me and the gunner, he keyed the Company again and slowly said, "S3, S3, thiiiis iiis Kiiilleeer Spppaaadddeee 806, what about those men on the ground?"

After the Col. Battalion Commander, had screamed at us, My pilot had his finger triggered and keyed up, transmitting, "ot hearing you at this time, if you read us report us inbound at this time on the LZ. As the, now, I'm sure, red faced Commander was emptying his lungs, my pilot turned the company radio off and keyed up on the On Guard and called "Broken Arrow" and he gave the circumstances and the coordinates. As we approached the LZ there were six Tigers working to cover us and more jet fighters than I have ever seen in one tight, thigh area before with one of the A1s doing FAC control for the operation.

That day all six choppers averaged 300 bullet holes and no lives lost with one grunt wounded... God! I cannot do that, you cannot do the and Satan cannot do that... only God!

 

[turnorburn]

Amen!

tob

 

[turnorburn]

i mentioned that movie because in a small way it reminded me of how Gideon must have felt when he knew how large the enemy forces were that were coming to destroy them..

Judges 6:5 For they came up with their cattle and their tents, and they came as grasshoppers for multitude; for both they and their camels were without number: and they entered into the land to destroy it.

if you haven't read the account you can find the story in Judges starting in chapter 6

God gave them the victory with 300 men!

tob

 

[th1b.taylor]

i mentioned that movie because in a small way it reminded me of how Gideon must have felt when he knew how large the enemy forces were that were coming to destroy them..

Judges 6:5 For they came up with their cattle and their tents, and they came as grasshoppers for multitude; for both they and their camels were without number: and they entered into the land to destroy it.

if you haven't read the account you can find the story in Judges starting in chapter 6

God gave them the victory with 300 men!

tob

When I was first saved Judges was my favorite read the first few times through the Bible. I found so many good lessons and Life Applications in the stories of the Judges. The funny thing is my 47 year old daughter is a teacher and teaches First and Second grade so Gideon is often the subject of the lesson. My daughter despises Gideon the coward, she calls him.

Oh, I forgot to tell you the size of the unit we were dealing with that day. We had set those 42 infantrymen down in the middle of the First NVA Division, six thousand men strong. It just shows that the term and the title Military Intelligence really is an oxymoron.

 

[turnorburn]

42 against 6000?

tob

 

[th1b.taylor]

42 against 6000?

tob

Yes, Operations had no idea of that nor did we until two or three days later when the unit was finally identified but Os knew from the reports that MI had blown it from the way we were made to look like flying tea strainers, according to the Tiger Birds and with that much resistance they did not want to increase the loss to a total mishap and that was the reason they wanted to eave them there. But I was 24 that year and all of our pilots called me old man because they were all 19 except for the Old Man and the Executive Officer.

Not knowing the numbers, I believe helped us to man up and go back for them. Of course nobody believed we could not hear the legal orders to leave them where they were to die and it cost my Wobbly Pilot a career because it's no good for any Officer and Gentleman to receive an Article 15. We all, the Crew Chiefs and Gunners threw him a celebration party on the tarmac to celebrate his Article 15 and we all got drunk as a bunch of skunks on hot Schlitz beer. He was killed by a sniper, November 25, the day I arrived at San Francisco.

But he told me on my arrival there that I wanted him to fly my aircraft because he was the only man in the world that could fly me through buckets of manure, he used a more descriptive adjective, and get us out of it smelling like French Perfume. I just had to see this nut fly, and I was the Senior Crew Chief, where ever I was assigned. And he did get us into some mistakes but he always got us out alive and usually the ship was alright to get us home so I could stay up all night fixing it. He was a remarkable young man.