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God & Prophecy: Flesh, Seed, Bloodline are nothing

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Flesh and blood has nothing to do with the everlasting kingdom of Christ, nor with fulfilling prophecy of His Scriptures on earth in the book of Revelation: the fulfillment of prophecy at the Lord's return has nothing to do with the Hebrew bloodline nor the Israeli nation, other than that is the place the Lord has prophesied Himself coming to destroy the armies of earth gathered again Him, and to judge and rule all nations on earth out of Jerusalem.

When Jesus said the flesh has no profit with God, that includes prophecy of God. Since the flesh is of no profit, then neither is the seed and bloodline of man.

Paul says we are all of one blood: Adam. The gospel of John declares God loves all souls of men, not just some born into a certain lineage. Adam was not loved of God because of his flesh, but because of his soul. The soul of man is made in God's image, not the physical body.

The seed of Abraham blessed of God above all men, in whom all nations shall be blessed, was not the seed of flesh and blood, but is Christ Himself. The natural seed of the Hebrews and Jews and their bloodline is no different from that of any man, for we are all born physically of Noah and Adam. (Which has nothing to do with sin and righteousness, but only physical birth and shape).

The reason Noah found grace with God was because of his faith in God, not his seed and bloodline. The reason Abraham was counted righteous with God, was because of his faith in God, not because of his seed and bloodline.

Jerusalem is not the place where God has chosen to put His name and rule on earth from, because of the stones of it's buildings and streets, nor geographic location, but only because the Lord has chosen to do so by prophecy.

There's more that can be said to discount man's natural seed, bloodline, and physical form, as well as geographic qualities on earth, as having anything special to do with God and Prophecy of Scripture, but the point is made.

Why is it important? Because those seeking carnal answers to God's fulfillment of all prophecy in Revelation, are the ones caught up in the wild goose chase of certain nations, names, and numbers, and ethnicity that Revelation says nothing specifically of.

There is not one place in Revelation, having to do with the end of these last days, when the Lord comes again, where Jews or Greeks or Romans or Syrians or Russians or... are even mentioned. Why not? Because seed of flesh and blood does not matter to God fulfilling His prophecies of coming to earth again.

What the world of nations is doing with and to each other, which includes the Israeli nation, makes no difference whatsoever in the book of Revelation. The Lord is not returning to save Jews from themselves and others, but to receive His own unto Himself in the air, and then fulfill His own prophecy to rule all nations of the earth.

Jerusalem only matters, because that is where the Lord said He would put His name and rule from. Armageddon only matters, because that is where the Lord prophecies He will destroy all them of nations foolish enough to gather and make war with Him and His armies in the air.

It's not flesh and blood and geographic qualities that matter to God, but only what He has chosen to prophecy of Himself on earth, after the counsel of His own good will and pleasure.
 
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Now for the honest objections about prophetic promises to Hebrews, Israelites, and Jews after the flesh.

1. The seed of Abraham is the promised blessing on earth. True. That is the spiritual seed of faith, which is Christ, not the natural seed of Adam passed on by Abraham to Ishmael and Isaac.

2. The lineage of Abraham and David is prophesied for the birth of the Messiah coming in the flesh. True. Not because the bloodline is any different nor more important than the one blood of all men, but because that is the lineage prophesied by the God of Israel, that He would born of in the flesh.

Matthew and Luke do not rehearse the lineage of Joseph and Mary, because the bloodline itself is important, but only because it shows God's prophecy and promise is fulfilled as spoken through His prophets. It is a matter of faith in God and His word being fulfilled, not of any significance of Abraham and David's natural seed being in the flesh of Jesus through Mary's womb. Matthew and Luke only prove the Lord fulfilled His prophecy through a certain lineage on earth.

Even as Mary is no more blessed above all women, because the Lord was born of her womb, nor is her seed and flesh and blood from David and Abraham blessed about that of Adam.

3. Christ came to the Jews first. True. Not because being Jews after the flesh is more important than being Greeks after the flesh, but because God prophesied He would come to His own people first. And they were His own people not because of the flesh, but as Paul says only because they had His His faith and oracles.

4. Abraham himself and his natural seed must receive the land prophesied to them by the Lord, with the exact boundaries and tribal partitions declared. True. Only because the Lord promised it to Abraham personally, and God keeps His promises. And the promise was made because of the faith of Abraham in Christ, not because of his flesh, seed, and blood of Adam. He and his natural lineage will be given that land to that people exactly as prophesied, because Abraham had the faith of Noah, and God said He would do so. Else God is a proven liar.

5. Though there is no difference in Christ between Jew and Greek, there is a difference between the natural seed of Jew and Greek. True. In physical appearance and culture heritage only, not in seed of flesh and blood. Jew and Greek are always of one blood and natural seed: Noah and Adam. Paul says there is no difference between male and female in Christ, but is not foolish enough to say there is no physical difference between male and female. Not because of seed and blood, but only because of natural shape. Obviously there is physical difference in shapes, colors, and sizes of men and women, and Jews, Greeks, Parthian, Arabs, Pygmies, and Brits, but no difference between seed and flesh and blood.

6. God prophesies Jerusalem will be the seat of His Millennium. True. Not because of the bricks and stones of Jerusalem, nor because of the people living in Jerusalem, but only because that is the specific city where God chose to put His name and prophesied to rule over all nations of the earth.

Conclusion: The only reason a certain ethnicity, city, and geographic location on earth is important to God in matters of prophecy, is not because of the race, kind of city, nor geographic quality on earth, but only because God has chosen to prophesy them as such.
 
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You still have a few things to learn so you could be wrong in your assessment.

Apparently I've learned a few things you haven't.
 
Even as Mary is no more blessed above all women, because the Lord was born of her womb, nor is her seed and flesh and blood from David and Abraham blessed about that of Adam.
You say this above but I read in Luke 1 and see something entirely different said . Words from the lips of an angel no less . Why do you think the angel said these things in Luke 1 to Mary , RBDERRICK ?

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
 
Now for the honest objections about prophetic promises to Hebrews, Israelites, and Jews after the flesh.

1. The seed of Abraham is the promised blessing on earth. True. That is the spiritual seed of faith, which is Christ, not the natural seed of Adam passed on by Abraham to Ishmael and Isaac.

2. The lineage of Abraham and David is prophesied for the birth of the Messiah coming in the flesh. True. Not because the bloodline is any different nor more important than the one blood of all men, but because that is the lineage prophesied by the God of Israel, that He would born of in the flesh.

Matthew and Luke do not rehearse the lineage of Joseph and Mary, because the bloodline itself is important, but only because it shows God's prophecy and promise is fulfilled as spoken through His prophets. It is a matter of faith in God and His word being fulfilled, not of any significance of Abraham and David's natural seed being in the flesh of Jesus through Mary's womb. Matthew and Luke only prove the Lord fulfilled His prophecy through a certain lineage on earth.

Even as Mary is no more blessed above all women, because the Lord was born of her womb, nor is her seed and flesh and blood from David and Abraham blessed about that of Adam.

3. Christ came to the Jews first. True. Not because being Jews after the flesh is more important than being Greeks after the flesh, but because God prophesied He would come to His own people first. And they were His own people not because of the flesh, but as Paul says only because they had His His faith and oracles.

4. Abraham himself and his natural seed must receive the land prophesied to them by the Lord, with the exact boundaries and tribal partitions declared. True. Only because the Lord promised it to Abraham personally, and God keeps His promises. And the promise was made because of the faith of Abraham in Christ, not because of his flesh, seed, and blood of Adam. He and his natural lineage will be given that land to that people exactly as prophesied, because Abraham had the faith of Noah, and God said He would do so. Else God is a proven liar.

5. Though there is no difference in Christ between Jew and Greek, there is a difference between the natural seed of Jew and Greek. True. In physical appearance and culture heritage only, not in seed of flesh and blood. Jew and Greek are always of one blood and natural seed: Noah and Adam. Paul says there is no difference between male and female in Christ, but is not foolish enough to say there is no physical difference between male and female. Not because of seed and blood, but only because of natural shape. Obviously there is physical difference in shapes, colors, and sizes of men and women, and Jews, Greeks, Parthian, Arabs, Pygmies, and Brits, but no difference between seed and flesh and blood.

6. God prophesies Jerusalem will be the seat of His Millennium. True. Not because of the bricks and stones of Jerusalem, nor because of the people living in Jerusalem, but only because that is the specific city where God chose to put His name and prophesied to rule over all nations of the earth.

Conclusion: The only reason a certain ethnicity, city, and geographic location on earth is important to God in matters of prophecy, is not because of the race, kind of city, nor geographic quality on earth, but only because God has chosen to prophesy them as such.
Interesting and something to think about as it has never been about flesh and blood, but of faith in God and Jesus being our faith and also being obedient to God's commands.
 
You still have a few things to learn so you could be wrong in your assessment.

Apparently I've learned a few things you haven't.
We are all ever learning so there is none that is superior to another in knowledge. We are not infallible, meaning we are not free from error in what or how we believe.
 
You say this above but I read in Luke 1 and see something entirely different said . Words from the lips of an angel no less . Why do you think the angel said these things in Luke 1 to Mary , RBDERRICK ?
What? That Mary was blessed among women? The angel told her so, because she was blessed of God among women.

Seems pretty obvious to me.
 
Interesting and something to think about as it has never been about flesh and blood, but of faith in God and Jesus being our faith and also being obedient to God's commands.
True, and Jesus was the first Jew to say so. That's why many of the Jewish disciples ceased walking with Him. They were offended that their bloodline and flesh was no more special than that of the Gentiles.

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
 
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