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Bible Study God Would Never Do This.........

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God Would Never Do This.........


People today (especially the Christian clergy) believe that God's demonstration of his love for us precludes any objection to our sin, especially the sin of homosexuality.


Consider the verse in Genesis 2:22 …..

Genesis 2:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Notice that God didn't say to the man, or to the woman, to go 'fetch' the other person after he created them both. It says that God brought the woman to the man. So for anyone to now say that God brought one man together to another man, or that God brought one woman together to another woman, to form a marital bond, is completely absurd! If God condoned a homosexual relationship he would have created more than one man and more than one woman and then brought them both together....but God didn't do that!


Also notice that since God knew that Satan was lurking about, ready to tempt the woman or the man, that God did not create more than one woman, or more than one man, so that Satan could not introduce the sin of homosexuality into the Garden of Eden.


If you find yourself in a homosexual relationship then just turn from your sin and ask Jesus Christ to restore your life to become what it was meant to be, just like in the Garden of Eden, where God brought the woman to the man in a heterosexual relationship.


God Bless
 
Very accurate post my friend ugmug. I especially like the following Scripture:

Romans 1:24 "Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error"

What is the penalty for their error? Romans 1:32 "Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

In the neighborhood that I live in, there are two houses that have homosexual couples in each one. One house has two lesbians, the other two men living the homosexual lifestyle. They are, on the outside, wonderful people which hides their sinful practice. I have led some people in our neighborhood to Jesus for Salvation because they are aware that I follow Jesus by my lifestyle. I'm praying that in time, I'll be able to speak about the Gospel to them when the Holy Spirit indicates just the right time.

The two women had husbands at one time because I've met their children. My question to them will be "What happened in your relationship with your husbands that prompted you to leave them and seek a lesbian relationship. O my friend, I desire greatly that their souls would not spend eternity in the lake of fire, but to live with Jesus for all time....There is a death sentence on all of them, I just pray that I can witness to them before death claims them. For right now, my Christian lifestyle is the only way to reach them. I desperately need to live for Jesus in my home and neighborhood.
 
Chopper , I like the attitude of your post very much, imo it is Godly. So this post of mine is not directed at you or anyone here.

What I think we find sometimes, that some Christians view those couples as needing more of Jesus than the hetero couple that does not know Jesus. We see some people hate that sin above other sexual sin and they begin to hate the people in bondage to it.
I have that problem with pedophiles even though in my mind I know most of them were victims themselves and that caused terrible psychological damage and my heart cries for that damaged child in them. But it is hard to not to see their adult person with anger. Sometimes it is hard to pray for them. So I have to pray for the damaged child inside of them for healing.
 
Deborah13 said:
Chopper , I like the attitude of your post very much, imo it is Godly. So this post of mine is not directed at you or anyone here.

What I think we find sometimes, that some Christians view those couples as needing more of Jesus than the hetero couple that does not know Jesus. We see some people hate that sin above other sexual sin and they begin to hate the people in bondage to it.
I have that problem with pedophiles even though in my mind I know most of them were victims themselves and that caused terrible psychological damage and my heart cries for that damaged child in them. But it is hard to not to see their adult person with anger. Sometimes it is hard to pray for them. So I have to pray for the damaged child inside of them for healing.
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Wow Deb. I had never thought of it that way. I guess that's why I want to ask those women why.
 
Romans 1:24 is a very appropriate verse, Chopper. Psychoanalysts associated homosexual practice w/ narcissism. As an ex-gay...or I should say celibate Christian...I can tell you that the gay community is extremely narcissistic. I mean, I'm sure things are rough in the heterosexual world, but the gay world--especially in more urban areas--takes it to a whole new level. Exploitation, drugs, promiscuity, suicide, general misery, plus HIV/AIDS and all the other various diseases that turn up from a promiscuous lifestyle (especially when drugs and alcohol are factored in...).

I dunno. There's not a whole lot of change possible without Christ. I read that back in the day, affluent homosexuals would sometimes mellow out w/ psychoanalysis, but...those were different times, the culture was different, etc.

As for what makes people go gay (for lack of a better way of phrasing it...), I think it depends. I think for men there's definitely masculinity issues. I think that's one reason the OT came down hard on male sodomites....gender distortion not only can lead to homosexual practice, but my observation has been that long term sodomy undermines God-given notions of male and female, masculine and feminine (not that all men have to be super manly men or whatever).

Compassion is wonderful. Its great. But I do think there comes a point at which Christians should (re) emphasize The Cross, repentance, "washed and made clean," etc. In my own life, "pressing forward" and not "looking at that which is behind" has proven more beneficial than all the counseling, therapy, pills, etc. I've received over the years. I guess I"m saying...from a Christian perspective, the important question isn't: why is this dude queer? but...how is this dude going to lead a life that's morally pleasing unto God? The main way forward there is repentance and pressing forward.

I don't know anything about female homosexuality. I've read that women tend to be more sexually fluid than men, so maybe bad experiences w/ men play/could play a bigger role. I dunno.
 
Christ_empowered said:
Romans 1:24 is a very appropriate verse, Chopper. Psychoanalysts associated homosexual practice w/ narcissism. As an ex-gay...or I should say celibate Christian...I can tell you that the gay community is extremely narcissistic. I mean, I'm sure things are rough in the heterosexual world, but the gay world--especially in more urban areas--takes it to a whole new level. Exploitation, drugs, promiscuity, suicide, general misery, plus HIV/AIDS and all the other various diseases that turn up from a promiscuous lifestyle (especially when drugs and alcohol are factored in...).

I dunno. There's not a whole lot of change possible without Christ. I read that back in the day, affluent homosexuals would sometimes mellow out w/ psychoanalysis, but...those were different times, the culture was different, etc.

As for what makes people go gay (for lack of a better way of phrasing it...), I think it depends. I think for men there's definitely masculinity issues. I think that's one reason the OT came down hard on male sodomites....gender distortion not only can lead to homosexual practice, but my observation has been that long term sodomy undermines God-given notions of male and female, masculine and feminine (not that all men have to be super manly men or whatever).

Compassion is wonderful. Its great. But I do think there comes a point at which Christians should (re) emphasize The Cross, repentance, "washed and made clean," etc. In my own life, "pressing forward" and not "looking at that which is behind" has proven more beneficial than all the counseling, therapy, pills, etc. I've received over the years. I guess I"m saying...from a Christian perspective, the important question isn't: why is this dude queer? but...how is this dude going to lead a life that's morally pleasing unto God? The main way forward there is repentance and pressing forward.

I don't know anything about female homosexuality. I've read that women tend to be more sexually fluid than men, so maybe bad experiences w/ men play/could play a bigger role. I dunno.
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imho with some lesbianism is from lack of a positive male role model. most of the lesbians .bi females I know didn't have a positive father in their lives.
 
Christ_empowered said:
Romans 1:24 is a very appropriate verse, Chopper. Psychoanalysts associated homosexual practice w/ narcissism. As an ex-gay...or I should say celibate Christian...I can tell you that the gay community is extremely narcissistic. I mean, I'm sure things are rough in the heterosexual world, but the gay world--especially in more urban areas--takes it to a whole new level. Exploitation, drugs, promiscuity, suicide, general misery, plus HIV/AIDS and all the other various diseases that turn up from a promiscuous lifestyle (especially when drugs and alcohol are factored in...).

I dunno. There's not a whole lot of change possible without Christ. I read that back in the day, affluent homosexuals would sometimes mellow out w/ psychoanalysis, but...those were different times, the culture was different, etc.

As for what makes people go gay (for lack of a better way of phrasing it...), I think it depends. I think for men there's definitely masculinity issues. I think that's one reason the OT came down hard on male sodomites....gender distortion not only can lead to homosexual practice, but my observation has been that long term sodomy undermines God-given notions of male and female, masculine and feminine (not that all men have to be super manly men or whatever).

Compassion is wonderful. Its great. But I do think there comes a point at which Christians should (re) emphasize The Cross, repentance, "washed and made clean," etc. In my own life, "pressing forward" and not "looking at that which is behind" has proven more beneficial than all the counseling, therapy, pills, etc. I've received over the years. I guess I"m saying...from a Christian perspective, the important question isn't: why is this dude queer? but...how is this dude going to lead a life that's morally pleasing unto God? The main way forward there is repentance and pressing forward.

I don't know anything about female homosexuality. I've read that women tend to be more sexually fluid than men, so maybe bad experiences w/ men play/could play a bigger role. I dunno.
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Excellent post my friend! I really liked what you said here, "pressing forward" and not "looking at that which is behind" is a home run in my book. Lots of psychology that I could throw at you, wouldn't say anything more important....I guess that could be said about any sin that effects an excitement or pleasure or a wellness feeling. To go back in a persons mind and remember how wonderful a particular act felt only excites the flesh and the more a person thinks on that act, it drives him/her to do it again....Thanks for bringing that to our attention.
 
jasonc said:
imho with some lesbianism is from lack of a positive male role model. most of the lesbians .bi females I know didn't have a positive father in their lives.
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And some were molested as children and/or had abusive marriages that they left for what they thought would be safer. All trust issues.
 
I think homosexuality is just a extreme version of sex outside the marriage which is just lust.Im sure satan has been using that tool forever. In todays "progressive" society its OK.ya know its funny alot of heterosexual people are sexual deviants by engaging in " casual" sex.I may sound kinda crazy but I think even heterosexual sex outside the institution of marriage deviates from Gods plan for us.It spreads diseases and morally "loose" value system.
 
the more degenerate society becomes, the more sins--sexual and otherwise--that weren't tolerated before will be tolerated, then "affirmed", then openly celebrated. Interestingly enough...while in the US, we now are on the way to gay marriage all over the place and we're all so tolerant and have freedoms like abortion, casual sex, legalized marijuana, etc., we've lost real freedom. Long prison sentences, more people in prison, a violent society, a rude society, less upward mobility, more conformity. I guess that's what happens in a "post-Christian" world...
 
Christ_empowered said:
the more degenerate society becomes, the more sins--sexual and otherwise--that weren't tolerated before will be tolerated, then "affirmed", then openly celebrated. Interestingly enough...while in the US, we now are on the way to gay marriage all over the place and we're all so tolerant and have freedoms like abortion, casual sex, legalized marijuana, etc., we've lost real freedom. Long prison sentences, more people in prison, a violent society, a rude society, less upward mobility, more conformity. I guess that's what happens in a "post-Christian" world...
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more sins in a society more likely to be totalitarian
 
kiwidan said:
Its obvious its not normal.

Man+woman= Babies
Man+Man= No babies
Woman+Woman=No babies
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not that I disagree, but adoption. its not normal for men and women to to be what god wants. what god wants is what is normal. our natural inclinations aren't normal.its natural for a man to lust. but its a sin.
 
Deborah13 said:
And some were molested as children and/or had abusive marriages that they left for what they thought would be safer. All trust issues.
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You hit a home run with that post Deb. TRUST you bet! Of the cases that I know about, generally speaking, another woman is not a threatening situation. In Massachusetts, I have knowledge that a woman killed her partner for some reason, and that is the only bad situation that I know of. The two lesbian women that live across from me are really nice people, and we are very good friends. They know my position on homosexual behavior and we still are good friends. As I said before, this Summer I'm going to sit down with them to know why they left their husbands and joined together as lesbians.
 
A trip to the local hardware store also demonstrates a proper man-woman relationship.

I buy a nut and a bolt to fasten something together. Two bolts or two nuts never held anything together quite right for me.
 
Malachi said:
Man+woman= Babies
Man+Man= No babies = Perversion = Judgment
Woman+Woman= No babies = Perversion = Judgment
To God it is not simply a matter of babies or no babies.
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I agree, but for some reason there seems to be a lot of confusion about if it is ok, or even if they were born like that. So in those cases where medical doubletalk makes the people wonder...all they have to do is to do the math and the truth stands painfully obvious. 1+1=3 even in fleshy ignorance. There is no I was born like that, it is a learned behavior, like most sins.
 
kiwidan said:
Out of all the living, i think humans are the only ones who are gay. I dont know any animals that lust there own kind. Its not natural. Even dogs have a sniff first.
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Christians shoud stop using the misnomer "gay", and call it what it is -- "homosexuality". The word "gay" was applied to hide the ugly truth that there is nothing gay or happy about such perverted behavior.

And you know the reason for it is given in Romans, chapter 1. When mankind deliberately turns away from God to idols, then sexual perversion becomes acceptable. We should also not forget the operation of demons and evil spirits in all of this perversion, which probably began at the time of Noah (or even earlier) when evil angels appeared as men on earth and had illiciit relations.

People seem to forget that God loves perverts (and all sinners) but hates their sins. The remedy is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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