Godly flamboyance

[Classik]

Does God frown when we live priestly in flamboyance - as children of the King: God?

 

[Wrg1405]

Can you clarify

 

[Edward]

It's probably like everything else. Moderation is OK, over doing it may be sinful.

Jesus wore top of the line clothes.

 

[smaller]

It's probably like everything else. Moderation is OK, over doing it may be sinful.

Jesus wore top of the line clothes.

Reverb from the prosperity gospel camp.

Kind of a Ginger or Maryann question ain't it?

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno. I don't think those who lead The Flock have to live in poverty, but....when they're raking in million$ and not addressing poverty and such within their congregation...that's a problem....

 

[Knotical]

I think Indigo Montoya will take issue with your use of "flamboyance." However, if you are saying that a priest/minister/pastor should dress modestly and not draw attention to what they are wearing, then I agree.

 

[Edward]

Reverb from the prosperity gospel camp.

Kind of a Ginger or Maryann question ain't it?

Indeed, lol. Rushing to emulate Jesus in this respect, one should be careful not to forget the other scriptures also.

Like the sharing in His suffering scriptures. Lazarus & the rich man and so forth.

Those prosperity preachers are wrecking the church. I believe the prosperity is true...to an extent, but also must be balanced with suffering (will be).

To not give a full accounting with the prosperity message leaves the sheep ill-equipped to deal with the tribulations when they come along. Then their faith will fail them when they need it most. For example;
(Story)
A Brother in Christ was very much encouraged by my testimony once, where I had prayed for help (and needed help within a certain timeframe, and got it (PTL))
So was praising the Lord and everything OK...until a few days later, he had a financial crunch and prayed for help also. He needed money by tomorrow at 5 pm. He...set in place a time limit for God to answer it (because I did too? But I didn't make demand of the Lord, my prayer was much different!)

5 pm came and went, no answered prayer for him. I called him to see if he got his prayer answered...and he was angry with God, and...did not bridle his tongue. It was bad.

We see what happened to the Israelites after leaving Egypt and got discouraged and began murmuring...out He felt let down by God. Felt no need to try to understand it, the why of it. It's very clear in scripture. We will suffer, and are to rejoice in tribulations and continue to praise the Lord as these hard times are necessary so He can teach us patience and endurance. Trials of our faith. There's our reason to rejoice right there, that the Lord loves us enough to (be long-suffering) work with us and teach us. Training is hard at times, and it's essential for us to buck up and hang in there if we're to overcome until the end. Freaking out at crunch time is one sure way to anger God (do NOT quench the Spirit!)


Life is 10% what it deals you in the cards, and 90% how you react to it!

Personalities which lean to flamboyance usually don't have a humble bone in their body. People need help and as the body of Christ, we're to be the blessing for them. At least the conduit through which the Lord's love flows...on earth, as it is in heaven.

 

[AbbeyJoy]

What is flamboyance?

 

[smaller]

There's our reason to rejoice right there, that the Lord loves us enough to (be long-suffering) work with us and teach us. Training is hard at times, and it's essential for us to buck up and hang in there if we're to overcome until the end. Freaking out at crunch time is one sure way to anger God (do NOT quench the Spirit!)

God sought to kill Moses (Exodus 4). God was also intimately involved in exercising the death of His Own Son.

How close do we really want to get, with the intentions above in mind?

Quite frankly God scares me to death. And has proven to me that kind of fear is more than warranted. I don't take God stuff haphazardly NOR do I consider trying to manipulate what He might have in mind. I actually have no clue whatsoever what might be on my horizon in the next 5 min. for a certainty. Lord willing I believe is a good state of mind.

So, flamboyance? I'm inclined to run the other direction.

 

[Edward]

So, flamboyance? I'm inclined to run the other direction.

Me too. I'm real happy with my 1995 f250 that runs on faith, lol.

God sought to kill Moses (Exodus 4). God was also intimately involved in exercising the death of His Own Son.

Philippians 2:13 ...and it may be His pleasure to knock us upside the head to teach us something. There's nothing anyone could do about it. Yes, there's all sorts of good reasons to fear God.

Flamboyance is pride of course and usually also is associated with greed and arrogance, things that God hates. Proverbs 8:13

 

[Classik]

...but when "Godly" is attached to flamboyance...?

 

[Eugene]

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In 1 Cor 11:1 Paul said “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”
What was Paul’s life like? Does he appear flamboyant in the following scriptures?

2 Cor 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
2 Cor 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
2 Cor 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
2 Cor 11:26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
2 Cor 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
2 Cor 11:28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
2 Cor 11:29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?
2 Cor 11:30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.

At one point Paul didn’t even have a coat, or his parchments. 2 Tim 4:13 The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.

 

[Edward]

...but when "Godly" is attached to flamboyance...?

I...don't think you can do that without creating a paradox.

 

[Wrg1405]

Quite frankly God scares me to death. And has proven to me that kind of fear is more than warranted.

Forgive me if I have misunderstood you.

I'm not sure God wants to scare us to death, I think it's the opposite. He wants to love us to death.

A healthy fear of God brings about or shows us his love for us. A healthy fear is not purely one of respect and awe but it's also recognising that God hates sin and it's something we don't want to fall into as a result of our love and respect for God and knowing that if we do he will help us even to the point of chastising us in love.

The fear of God is an attitude of respect, a response of reverence and wonder. It is the only appropriate response to our Creator and Redeemer” (Nelson’s NKJV Study Bible, 1997, note on Psalm 128:1).

 

[Wrg1405]

If you look up the definition of flamboyant there are many meanings to the word.
I would say that some would apply to Jesus.

Noticeable, exciting, confident, animated. He did and said things in his day that were outrageous and unbelievable to those around him yet he drew crowds that accepted him and rejected him. Yet he did it all to reveal the true living God who wants a relationship with his children out of love. "Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand, those who beleive in me will never perish" his purpose was to unite people with God that's all sought to do and ask of us.

However he was never ostentatious, he wasn't a show off, he didn't seek personal praise from men.

If a Godly man is flamboyant as Jesus was then listen. He won't ask for your money in order for God to bless you or give more back, he will say "God has promised to meet your every need and not wants, he looks after the birds how much more will he look after you?

He will pray for healing without asking for money to help support his ministry. He will tell you that the grace of God is free. I could go on.

However if they ever add to what Jesus did then avoid and pray for them and that ministry and for those being fooled by it and burdened by it.

My two pence worth.

 

[smaller]

Forgive me if I have misunderstood you.

I'm not sure God wants to scare us to death, I think it's the opposite. He wants to love us to death.

Perhaps you missed the poignancy of the previous observations? IF God exercised the physical (and quite brutal) death of His Own Son, how much do we expect from God? How much do we respect that action of God with His Son? How much lower on the priority scale are we?

Godly fear, not patty cake fear, is warranted. And this I know from experience. Does that mean I think God is going to toss believers into hell? Uh, no. But I am cognizant that The Spirit is against and contrary to the flesh as an exceptionally REAL present reality.

Gal. 5:17 is no joke! Flamboyance begs God for trouble.

 

[Wrg1405]

Perhaps you missed the poignancy of the previous observations?

Perhaps I have.

 

[Edward]

However he was never ostentatious, he wasn't a show off, he didn't seek personal praise from men.

Agreed. But isn't ostentatious what flamboyant means? Pimpin'/bling/show off?

I think. (If) so, then there's no such thing as, Godly flamboyance...?

 

[Wrg1405]

Agreed. But isn't ostentatious what flamboyant means? Pimpin'/bling/show off?

I think. (If) so, then there's no such thing as, Godly flamboyance...?

I have always understood it be a self serving thing, like look at me aren't I great.

 

[Edward]

I have always understood it be a self serving thing, like look at me aren't I great.

Yeah right, me too. Our Lord isn't like that, He was hey I lay down my life for you...which is not flamboyant in the least...