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Bible Study Gods festivals or jewish festivals?

lowrab777

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What are peoples reasons for not observing Gods holy days ? and why such determination for steering clear of them ?
 
In very general terms... Seems most of them were used to announce Jesus Christ...

Each of the festivals had/has some prophetic significance.

Passover - Christ's crucifixion
Unleavened Bread - Christ's sinless life
First Fruits - Christ's resurrection
Weeks - Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
Trumpets - Christ's second coming
Day of Atonement - Judgment day
Tabernacles - Christ's millennial reign
Weekly Sabbath - Commemorates creation and points forward to Christ's millennial reign

Four out of eight point to things that are still in the future. Why don't we celebrate them? The other four all point to things that are very much worth commemorating, so why not celebrate them as well?

The TOG​
 
they had old testament fulfillment's.
and also new Right?
Passover as the blood sacrifice of the lamb for the exodus of Abraham's seed- as performed on the cross by Jesus
unleavened bread of repentance and removal of sin/leavening- as John the desciples prepared the way by baptism to repentance for the second coming
Pentecost as the giving of the ten commandments on mount Sinai- as performed by the giving of the holy spirit to write those commandments on our hearts instead of stone
and then he has 4 more that apply to his second coming right?
 
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When does this scripture take place ?
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
 
When does this scripture take place ?
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

You make a very interesting point. If these festivals were celebrated in Jesus' day, and they will be celebrated again when he returns, then why not celebrate them in between?

The TOG​
 
You make a very interesting point. If these festivals were celebrated in Jesus' day, and they will be celebrated again when he returns, then why not celebrate them in between?

The TOG​
Celebrated and observe yes.. naturally I would think so.
But not for the sake of salvation, of course.
But why do most Christians avoid these festivals.
And just because Israel polluted them why the labeling of them as Jewish festivals?
Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
Eze 22:27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
Eze 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

As you see God clearly places ownership of them. He calls them my sabbaths.
 
In very general terms... Seems most of them were used to announce Jesus Christ...
I am determined that they all do. But so many people are uninterested in them. Of course to each his own as pointed out by the apostle paul
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

But why the false labeling and criticism of keeping and observing them among Christian communities?
 
Celebrated and observe yes.. naturally I would think so.
But not for the sake of salvation, of course.
But why do most Christians avoid these festivals.
And just because Israel polluted them why the labeling of them as Jewish festivals?
Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
Eze 22:27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
Eze 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

As you see God clearly places ownership of them. He calls them my sabbaths.
if I may. god claim them as his people first after the time of Abraham on. in Egypt have I called my firstborn and he called isreal his firstborn, a son has rights to the nature of the father. as he has that in him. the Hebrews got the feasts and god revealed his nature and things in heaven via those feasts. red up on the books of revalation and the visions and how isreal lined up around the tabernacle, and how the 144,000 sing the song of moses to Him who sat on the throne. the song of moses is the torah. so why shouldn't a jew say they are his? they are given to them by god. our god is a jewish one.
 
if I may. god claim them as his people first after the time of Abraham on. in Egypt have I called my firstborn and he called isreal his firstborn, a son has rights to the nature of the father. as he has that in him. the Hebrews got the feasts and god revealed his nature and things in heaven via those feasts. red up on the books of revalation and the visions and how isreal lined up around the tabernacle, and how the 144,000 sing the song of moses to Him who sat on the throne. the song of moses is the torah. so why shouldn't a jew say they are his? they are given to them by god. our god is a jewish one.
Well Ill give you that because he is the God of the Jews that is a fact . However he should not be reduced to that Juda was only one son of Israel and as for the the rest of the world we are grafted in to be counted among the seed of Abraham. So as it is written The sabbaths and apointed festivals do belong to God.
Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
 
Is it perhaps that some Jews don't want
Christians to keep them? I do know my wife had a Jewish coworker that made it very clear to her that Christians shouldn't be keeping the feasts. But regardless of that they are still so very significant to the Christian faith. And since they do belong to God they are given to Christians by the Messiah. I mean Jesus kept the feasts too and so did all the disciples and the apostles and the early Christian churches. Yet the majority of us don't even care to learn about them. Are there other reasons?
 
Well Ill give you that because he is the God of the Jews that is a fact . However he should not be reduced to that Juda was only one son of Israel and as for the the rest of the world we are grafted in to be counted among the seed of Abraham. So as it is written The sabbaths and apointed festivals do belong to God.
Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
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Well Ill give you that because he is the God of the Jews that is a fact . However he should not be reduced to that Juda was only one son of Israel and as for the the rest of the world we are grafted in to be counted among the seed of Abraham. So as it is written The sabbaths and apointed festivals do belong to God.
Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
the nation of Judea was the only one after the diaspora by large that went back to the land and rebuilt the temple and the northern kingdom of isreal never kept the law after solomom for the most part. whenever Judea was righteous some of the tribes of the north joined in to isreal but by large that isn't much.

again see my argument. I am a jew. if my dad being jewish says son, I own this land. when I die I give thee it. and he says do this or that with it?is it not mine and his? by implication the jewish feast are of course the lords. they are for the worship of YHWH. that is like arguing that I shouldn't say im a son of my dad because he said im his son and my nature is from him first.

gentiles unless they choose to weren't mandated to be under the torah. you as a goy after the cross are added in by the faith placed into the lord as I am. in the mosaic law it operated likewise in that genitle could add himself to the torah and say I will agree to be circumcised and become a Hebrew.
 
Is it perhaps that some Jews don't want
Christians to keep them? I do know my wife had a Jewish coworker that made it very clear to her that Christians shouldn't be keeping the feasts. But regardless of that they are still so very significant to the Christian faith. And since they do belong to God they are given to Christians by the Messiah. Yet the majority of us don't even care to learn about them. Are there other reasons?
I haven't heard that. rather they see that they aren't by oral traditions to mandate that upon the goy. that is what the seven noahide laws are for.
 
as it was written to the jew first then to the gentile
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
And so your father gave you some land and told you to perform his will with it...... ok

But what if you didnt do that wich he told you to. and he offered it to someone else who would and offered to adopt them as sons as well? (Sons not goy)... As it is written
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Should the adopted son respectfully accomplish the will of the father and be great full for the oportunity?

 
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But why the false labeling and criticism of keeping and observing them among Christian communities?

That statement would be like me asking "Why do those who keep the feast days think they are better for doing so? "
We should not lump others all into the same barrel keeping the feasts should never be them or us. From either side..

we can not please everyone........ We need to do whatever as unto the Lord .. If it is right for you to keep the feast great keep them as unto the Lord not the other guy... Some folks see keeping feast as an insult to the Lord.. As in disregarding Him as their fulfillment. HE looks on our hearts
 
That statement would be like me asking "Why do those who keep the feast days think they are better for doing so? "
We should not lump others all into the same barrel keeping the feasts should never be them or us. From either side..

we can not please everyone........ We need to do whatever as unto the Lord .. If it is right for you to keep the feast great keep them as unto the Lord not the other guy... Some folks see keeping feast as an insult to the Lord.. As in disregarding Him as their fulfillment. HE looks on our hearts

I totally didn't mean to lump every one into the same barrel ' I try to imply that in my posts. Some people do some people dont. and we are all unique. some people feel that keeping them make them better for doing so. some people don't. I myself do not feel that it makes me better than anyone else. The reason for my original post. is because as a christian I get labeled that way. like i keep them because it makes me better than them. And I assure you that is not the case.
I am a sinner I was born into sin. I am human and I am under the same curse as the rest of the world. Yet I have received Jesus as the only one who could possibly save me from this this condition.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
We are all sinners
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
It is a common thing that i get treated with contempt from fellow Christians and it should not be so. not among us. And the feasts are very commonly referred to as Jewish feasts. I have heard people tell me I should disregard them as being fulfilled. Yet the last four feasts are in fact lacking their future fulfillment. As a word study will show they are rehearsals Lev 23:4 TheseH428 are the feastsH4150 of the LORD,H3068 even holyH6944 convocations,H4744 whichH834 ye shall proclaimH7121 in their seasons.H4150
H4744
מקרא
miqrâ'
mik-raw'
From H7121; something called out, that is, a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the palce); also a rehearsal: - assembly, calling, convocation, reading.
You said some Christians think that keeping them is an insult to the lord. And that much is obvious but can anyone help me understand why they feel this way?

Is it because of this scripture?
Isa 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
 
What are peoples reasons for not observing Gods holy days ? and why such determination for steering clear of them ?
Um, maybe because we came to the realization that everyday is a holy day...still can't believe we still celebrate Christmas and Easter as if they should be treated differently than any other day...Both reek of paganism with their Christmas trees and lights, Easter bunnies and eggs...the name Easter comes from Eostre, the pagan goddess of fertility. No thanks...and a merry bah hum bug to you!:yes
 
There was a time early in the church's history when antisemites were in power, and they rejected the entire Old Testament and anything else that they considered "Jewish". I think that may be where the rejection of the festivals started.

The TOG​
 
as it was written to the jew first then to the gentile
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
And so your father gave you some land and told you to perform his will with it...... ok

But what if you didnt do that wich he told you to. and he offered it to someone else who would and offered to adopt them as sons as well? (Sons not goy)... As it is written
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Should the adopted son respectfully accomplish the will of the father and be great full for the oportunity?

paul said we all are adopted. jew and gentile. hmmm.
 
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