Bible Study Gods festivals or jewish festivals?

[lowrab777]

Um, maybe because we came to the realization that everyday is a holy day...still can't believe we still celebrate Christmas and Easter as if they should be treated differently than any other day...Both reek of paganism with their Christmas trees and lights, Easter bunnies and eggs...the name Easter comes from Eostre, the pagan goddess of fertility. No thanks...and a merry bah hum bug to you!:yes

Thats funny. :dunce But The question was whether or not it can be determined that God has his apointed times. So we have ours of course it should be every day but God does have special days set aside for his purpose. Have you ever asked yourself why? or what are they for and what do they mean?

 

[Sinthesis]

I don't see how observing Holy Days necessarily implies someone thinks Christ is powerless in the way you suggest Sinthesis. It seems Yahweh is fine with people observing these days, or not.

Rom 14:4-6 KJV Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. (6) He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

You're right! Yahweh is fine both with people observing these days, or not observing these days, provided their heart is in the right place.

In my examples I'm presenting an extreme hypothetical viewpoint to see if I can make some justifications of observance/non-observance seem equally unreasonable. Basically I knew I could frame either side with a repulsive straw-man justification that would irritate those who believe their conclusion is the correct one while the other is wrong. Clearly I forgot this was the Bible study forum.:halo

 

[agua.]

You're right! Yahweh is fine both with people observing these days, or not observing these days, provided their heart is in the right place.

In my examples I'm presenting an extreme hypothetical viewpoint to see if I can make some justifications of observance/non-observance seem equally unreasonable. Basically I knew I could frame either side with a repulsive straw-man justification that would irritate those who believe their conclusion is the correct one while the other is wrong. Clearly I forgot this was the Bible study forum.:halo

Ah you're norty :D

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Do you have a source for this ? I mean without holding your view I don't see how we can claim that Acts 15 shows the Jewish push of justification by observances ended then.

No.

I'm sharing my observation that Christian Messianic groups that believe one is justified by being observant are not represented in the historical narrative about the ceremonial law in the church. And in years of forum participation I think I only encountered a single Christian who defended a teaching that one is justified by keeping the ceremonial law. All others made it clear that observance is not for the sake of being justified by that observant. They clearly understood and taught that it is only through forgiveness of sin that a person is declared righteous. Honestly, I don't think that side of the coin (Christians must keep the ceremonial law to be justified) is, or has been, showing for a long, long time.

 

[agua.]

No.

I'm sharing my observation that Christian Messianic groups that believe one is justified by being observant are not represented in the historical narrative about the ceremonial law in the church. And in years of forum participation I think I only encountered a single Christian who defended a teaching that one is justified by keeping the ceremonial law. All others made it clear that observance is not for the sake of being justified by that observant. They clearly understood and taught that it is only through forgiveness of sin that a person is declared righteous. Honestly, I don't think that side of the coin (Christians must keep the ceremonial law to be justified) is, or has been, showing for a long, long time.

Oky doky. There are some denoms that push Festival/feast/Holy Day keeping but I'm not sure of their position on justification through them. WWCOG ( Herbert Armstrong ) is one group but they've splintered into different groups with different ideas. I think I'll assume they don't believe in justification but simply worship on these days etc.

 

[lowrab777]

You're right! Yahweh is fine both with people observing these days, or not observing these days, provided their heart is in the right place.

In my examples I'm presenting an extreme hypothetical viewpoint to see if I can make some justifications of observance/non-observance seem equally unreasonable. Basically I knew I could frame either side with a repulsive straw-man justification that would irritate those who believe their conclusion is the correct one while the other is wrong. Clearly I forgot this was the Bible study forum.:halo

 

[lowrab777]

Ah you're norty :biggrin

 

[lowrab777]

Oky doky. There are some denoms that push Festival/feast/Holy Day keeping but I'm not sure of their position on justification through them. WWCOG ( Herbert Armstrong ) is one group but they've splintered into different groups with different ideas. I think I'll assume they don't believe in justification but simply worship on these days etc.

Some do most dont.

 

[jocor]

Interesting discussion. My family and I are feast keepers and have been since 1986. We do not keep them to be justified, but as a fruit of our salvation through faith. Our Father gave them to us, not only to rejoice in and draw close to Him, but as shadows that pointed to things yet future. Some of the shadows have been fulfilled, but others have not. As I understand it, a shadow cannot be fulfilled until the reality comes. The reality of Pentecost, the Day of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles have aspects yet to be fulfilled. I believe all believers should be keeping these days as either memorials of what Yahweh and Yeshua did for us or as prophetic markers pointing towards future events.

The Feast of Tabernacles, Sukkot, is the highlight of my family's year as we leave this world's system for eight days and worship Yahweh and fellowship with brethren from around the world. Passover is our next favorite time of year as we recall what Yahweh and Yeshua did for us. These are definitely times of great joy that the majority of Christians are missing out on because they misunderstand Paul's writings concerning them.

 

[lowrab777]

Interesting discussion. My family and I are feast keepers and have been since 1986. We do not keep them to be justified, but as a fruit of our salvation through faith. Our Father gave them to us, not only to rejoice in and draw close to Him, but as shadows that pointed to things yet future. Some of the shadows have been fulfilled, but others have not. As I understand it, a shadow cannot be fulfilled until the reality comes. The reality of Pentecost, the Day of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles have aspects yet to be fulfilled. I believe all believers should be keeping these days as either memorials of what Yahweh and Yeshua did for us or as prophetic markers pointing towards future events.

The Feast of Tabernacles, Sukkot, is the highlight of my family's year as we leave this world's system for eight days and worship Yahweh and fellowship with brethren from around the world. Passover is our next favorite time of year as we recall what Yahweh and Yeshua did for us. These are definitely times of great joy that the majority of Christians are missing out on because they misunderstand Paul's writings concerning them.

Wow that's awesome. I grew up with Gods annual festivals it was a practice that established my foundation of biblical understanding. when I was a teen i quit keeping them for about 5 years and just before I got married. I remembered how they impacted me as a child and significant they are to a family. I introduced my wife to them and she loves them now she had never even heard of them before she met me.
Now we have keeping them for ten years I have 4 kids 2,3,6,8 and they are definitely the highlight of the year for us. The kids love them and they have been a very effective rehearsal tool for them wile they develop an understanding of Gods plan for us. (especially passover and unleavened bread)
The feast of tabernacles is the best and most joyous time of year for us we camp out for 8 days and detach ourselves from the distractions of the world. And we are able to show the kids where it says to do this in the bible. they can actually read it to us. hands down they are great. and thank God for them

 

[jocor]

It is so sad that there is so much misunderstanding about the feasts and weekly Sabbaths.

 

[lowrab777]

It is so sad that there is so much misunderstanding about the feasts and weekly Sabbaths.

so where are you guys keeping sukkot it this year?

 

[jocor]

We have not decided yet. We usually travel between 6-16 hours to a feast site, but my wife wants to do something locally this time.