Good news about Covid .

[WIP]

I was my hope that this thread would help someone . You are in my prayers Sister .

You're right. This discussion has gone off topic by quite a bit and I am a participant. Maybe we all need to try to get this back on course. I'll start.

From health.harvard.edu...
Three monoclonal antibody treatments for COVID-19 have been granted emergency use authorization (EUA) by the FDA. The treatments may be used to treat non-hospitalized adults and children over age 12 with mild to moderate symptoms who have recently tested positive for COVID-19, and who are at risk for developing severe COVID-19 or being hospitalized for it.

Bear in mind this too is a treatment that has not yet obtained full FDA approval.

 

[hawkman]

More good news .

The death numbers for covid-19 and the 1918 flu maybe about the same but that does not tell the whole story .

"For comparison, the 1918/19 “Spanish flu” pandemic, which in contrast to covid killed many young people, lowered US life expectancy by about 15 years or 27%, from 55 years to 40 years. Thus, the “Spanish flu” had lowered US life expectancy about eight times more in absolute terms and about 14 times more in relative terms than covid did in 2020 (1.8 years or 2%)."

Link this quote came from . Covid-19 Mortality: A Global Overview

 

[hawkman]

Another treatment that doctors have had good success with .

Common asthma treatment reduces need for hospitalisation in COVID-19 patients, study suggests​

More good info here too .

Budesonide Works

 

[hawkman]

New study about Vitamin D .

Vitamin D May Prevent Severe COVID-19 Disease And Death

 

[hawkman]

Can Green Tea Cure Covid-19? Here’s What the Study Says

"According to a team of scientists at the Indian Institute of Science Education and Research (IISER) in Bhopal, a review identifies a close relationship between Covid-19, ageing and diabetes that resembles components of green tea. Published in Molecular and Cellular Biochemistry, the review shows that drugs that are used in the treatment of diabetes, obesity and ageing have the potential to cure and treat Covid-19. Along with this, existing biomolecules were also found in the combination of coronavirus treatment."

 

[Free]

Now we are finding out that the vaccine itself is responsible for the mutation of the variant.


JLB

What do you mean by "the mutation of the variant"? If you mean that the vaccines have caused a certain variant to exist, then where is your evidence?

 

[hawkman]

What do you mean by "the mutation of the variant"? If you mean that the vaccines have caused a certain variant to exist, then where is your evidence?

If you don't mind we are trying to find the good news and not more strife . I am sure you and JLB can find another thread to discuss mutations in .

You're right. This discussion has gone off topic by quite a bit and I am a participant. Maybe we all need to try to get this back on course. I'll start.

 

[Free]

If you don't mind we are trying to find the good news and not more strife . I am sure you and JLB can find another thread to discuss mutations in .

Fair enough. However, Christians should not be spreading nor allowing the spread of falsehoods and misinformation. No one questioned that comment, which is disturbing.

 

[JLB]

What do you mean by "the mutation of the variant"? If you mean that the vaccines have caused a certain variant to exist, then where is your evidence?

Penn State Study: Leaky Vaccines Support Evolution of More-Virulent Variants​

Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines can incite changes that enable diseases to escape their control.

A vaccine is a novel selection pressure placed on a pathogen, and if the vaccine does not eradicate its target completely, then the remaining pathogens with the greatest fitness — those able to survive, somehow, in an immunized world — will become more common.

One can think about vaccination as a kind of sieve, argues Troy Day, a mathematical evolutionary biologist at Queen’s University in Ontario, Canada.

This sieve prevents many pathogens from passing through and surviving, but if a few squeeze by, those in that nonrandom sample will preferentially survive, replicate and ultimately shift the composition of the pathogen population.

The ones squeezing through might be escape mutants with genetic differences that allow them to shrug off or hide from vaccine-primed antibodies.

Most of the vaccines we get in childhood prevent pathogens from replicating inside us and thereby also prevent us from transmitting the infections to others.

But scientists have so far been unable to make these kinds of sterilizing vaccines for complicated pathogens like HIV, anthrax and malaria.

To conquer these diseases, some researchers have been developing immunizations that prevent disease without actually preventing infections — what are called “leaky” vaccines. And these new vaccines may incite a different, and potentially scarier, kind of microbial evolution.

The problem with leaky vaccines, Read says, is that they enable pathogens to replicate unchecked while also protecting hosts from illness and death, thereby removing the costs associated with increased virulence.

Over time, then, in a world of leaky vaccinations, a pathogen might evolve to become deadlier to unvaccinated hosts because it can reap the benefits of virulence without the costs — much as Marek’s disease has slowly become more lethal to unvaccinated chickens.

This virulence can also cause the vaccine to start failing by causing illness in vaccinated hosts.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510

 

[hawkman]

If you don't mind we are trying to find the good news and not more strife . I am sure you and JLB can find another thread to discuss mutations in .

Penn State Study: Leaky Vaccines Support Evolution of More-Virulent Variants​

Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines can incite changes that enable diseases to escape their control.

A vaccine is a novel selection pressure placed on a pathogen, and if the vaccine does not eradicate its target completely, then the remaining pathogens with the greatest fitness — those able to survive, somehow, in an immunized world — will become more common.

One can think about vaccination as a kind of sieve, argues Troy Day, a mathematical evolutionary biologist at Queen’s University in Ontario, Canada.

This sieve prevents many pathogens from passing through and surviving, but if a few squeeze by, those in that nonrandom sample will preferentially survive, replicate and ultimately shift the composition of the pathogen population.

The ones squeezing through might be escape mutants with genetic differences that allow them to shrug off or hide from vaccine-primed antibodies.

Most of the vaccines we get in childhood prevent pathogens from replicating inside us and thereby also prevent us from transmitting the infections to others.

But scientists have so far been unable to make these kinds of sterilizing vaccines for complicated pathogens like HIV, anthrax and malaria.

To conquer these diseases, some researchers have been developing immunizations that prevent disease without actually preventing infections — what are called “leaky” vaccines. And these new vaccines may incite a different, and potentially scarier, kind of microbial evolution.

The problem with leaky vaccines, Read says, is that they enable pathogens to replicate unchecked while also protecting hosts from illness and death, thereby removing the costs associated with increased virulence.

Over time, then, in a world of leaky vaccinations, a pathogen might evolve to become deadlier to unvaccinated hosts because it can reap the benefits of virulence without the costs — much as Marek’s disease has slowly become more lethal to unvaccinated chickens.

This virulence can also cause the vaccine to start failing by causing illness in vaccinated hosts.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510

JLB

 

[JLB]

JLB

 

[eddif]

So.
Is there another thread to discuss variations on the gospel, and what caused the variants and the solution to the problem?

The link you gave is to an article and they will not allow us to post (which is probably wise on their part).

hawkman will wonder about me now.

eddif

 

[WIP]

Let's try to keep this discussion thread on topic, please. Post only information that is positive with regard to Covid-19. There are plenty of other discussions to the contrary if you feel you must engage. Thank you.

 

[WIP]

Overall in the US case counts have been on the decline since September 12 if I'm understanding correctly. See attached. Here in MN it's not quite that good but they have been declining now for the past week.

 

[1pet2_9]

Penn State Study: Leaky Vaccines Support Evolution of More-Virulent Variants​

Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines can incite changes that enable diseases to escape their control.

A vaccine is a novel selection pressure placed on a pathogen, and if the vaccine does not eradicate its target completely, then the remaining pathogens with the greatest fitness — those able to survive, somehow, in an immunized world — will become more common.

One can think about vaccination as a kind of sieve, argues Troy Day, a mathematical evolutionary biologist at Queen’s University in Ontario, Canada.

This sieve prevents many pathogens from passing through and surviving, but if a few squeeze by, those in that nonrandom sample will preferentially survive, replicate and ultimately shift the composition of the pathogen population.

The ones squeezing through might be escape mutants with genetic differences that allow them to shrug off or hide from vaccine-primed antibodies.

Most of the vaccines we get in childhood prevent pathogens from replicating inside us and thereby also prevent us from transmitting the infections to others.

But scientists have so far been unable to make these kinds of sterilizing vaccines for complicated pathogens like HIV, anthrax and malaria.

To conquer these diseases, some researchers have been developing immunizations that prevent disease without actually preventing infections — what are called “leaky” vaccines. And these new vaccines may incite a different, and potentially scarier, kind of microbial evolution.

The problem with leaky vaccines, Read says, is that they enable pathogens to replicate unchecked while also protecting hosts from illness and death, thereby removing the costs associated with increased virulence.

Over time, then, in a world of leaky vaccinations, a pathogen might evolve to become deadlier to unvaccinated hosts because it can reap the benefits of virulence without the costs — much as Marek’s disease has slowly become more lethal to unvaccinated chickens.

This virulence can also cause the vaccine to start failing by causing illness in vaccinated hosts.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510

Not really. All the vaccine does is [indirectly] mimic the virus' spike protein. If a virus mutates and thereby escapes the antibodies, then yes, of course that virus--just like any virus that changes--could potentially be more virulent. Not because it broke through the vaccine, but just because it changed. I mean, that's pure common sense. If such a virus develops, then we must identify the new protein signature and develop a new vaccine for it. We know how to do that already. To say that the existing vaccine somehow makes that more likely to happen is simply without merit. The less viruses that are out there, the less likely that one mutates into a worse version. Just like the less squirrels are out there breeding, the less likely you are to breed a white one.

 

[christian1724]

Not really. All the vaccine does is [indirectly] mimic the virus' spike protein. If a virus mutates and thereby escapes the antibodies, then yes, of course that virus--just like any virus that changes--could potentially be more virulent. Not because it broke through the vaccine, but just because it changed. I mean, that's pure common sense. If such a virus develops, then we must identify the new protein signature and develop a new vaccine for it. We know how to do that already. To say that the existing vaccine somehow makes that more likely to happen is simply without merit. The less viruses that are out there, the less likely that one mutates into a worse version. Just like the less squirrels are out there breeding, the less likely you are to breed a white one.

Natural immunity has been shown to be more effective against future infections.

Wouldn't you say that the vaccine is not preventing the natural immunity process from going about it's usual business? If that's true then why are vaxxed people showing less neutralizaion success than those who have natural immunity? It may well be indicating that the vaccine is causing an undesired diminishing of the bodies otherwise more successful response.

 

[Isilwen]

Natural immunity has been shown to be more effective against future infections.

Natural immunity is great and all, but the problem is, you never know if your immune system will do what it is supposed to do in order to fight this off without much issue. You never know if you will end up in the hospital with difficulty breathing and cardiac issues if you leave it up to your immune system with Covid.

Yes, vaccinated people are still ending up in the hospital, but in much lower numbers than those who haven't been vaccinated and have moderate to severe symptoms.

I would rather get the virus and have been vaccinated, than not as my chances are better off not getting seriously sick with the vaccine as opposed to not having the vaccine.

 

[jaybo]

Natural immunity has been shown to be more effective against future infections.

Wouldn't you say that the vaccine is not preventing the natural immunity process from going about it's usual business? If that's true then why are vaxxed people showing less neutralizaion success than those who have natural immunity? It may well be indicating that the vaccine is causing an undesired diminishing of the bodies otherwise more successful response.

More than 736,000 people have died in the US from COVID-19, 4,938,000 deaths worldwide. It seems that natural immunity doesn't really exist against the COVID-19 virus, hence the vaccinations to change our immune systems.

 

[WIP]

Natural immunity is great and all, but the problem is, you never know if your immune system will do what it is supposed to do in order to fight this off without much issue. You never know if you will end up in the hospital with difficulty breathing and cardiac issues if you leave it up to your immune system with Covid.

Yes, vaccinated people are still ending up in the hospital, but in much lower numbers than those who haven't been vaccinated and have moderate to severe symptoms.

I would rather get the virus and have been vaccinated, than not as my chances are better off not getting seriously sick with the vaccine as opposed to not having the vaccine.

Vaccines give our bodies a jump start.

When our immune system encounters a new virus it can take time for our body to recognize the foreign entity, determine it is destructive, develop and release the necessary antibodies to fight it, and grow the antibodies fast enough to present a strong counter offensive and destroy it. Vaccines precondition our bodies either by exposing them to a weekend or altered form of the virus or in the case of mRNA technology train our bodies to know what to look for so that when we encounter the actual living virus our bodies already know it is bad and what needs to be done.

Think of it this way. In December 1941 when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, the military was totally caught off guard and by the time we reacted it was too late and the Japanese military inflicted severe damage. If we could have been made aware of the strike force before hand we could have been prepared ahead of time and been ready to react immediately so the outcome could have been considerably different.

 

[WIP]

More than 736,000 people have died in the US from COVID-19, 4,938,000 deaths worldwide. It seems that natural immunity doesn't really exist against the COVID-19 virus, hence the vaccinations to change our immune systems.

Not necessarily. I'm guessing but I would think that most of those deaths were people who's bodies encountered the virus for the first time. It would be interesting to see stats on how many deaths are from people who were experiencing their second or third infection.

There are also some cases where immunity isn't permanent. Tetanus for one. The tetanus vaccine is derived from either weekend or altered forms of the actual virus so it invokes a natural immunity but because it wears off over time, boosters are recommended.