Haiti and prophecy in similitude.

[ronniechoate34]

Isa:47:8: Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
Isa:47:9: But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.
Isa:47:10: For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.
Isa:47:11: Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.
Isa:47:12: Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.

Does anyone else see Haiti in these scriptures?

 

[Geo]

Yes it's similar. However it's not specifically about them. This gives it away: "I am, and none else beside me."

This is about the "most proud" of Jeremiah 50:31

you will also find her again in Revelation 18:8  Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her

 

[ronniechoate34]

I can't fathom someone practicing what these people did and not being proud and full of themselves. Can you?

It's certainly a fore shadowing of things to come to any people who turn their back on God. It begs me to question who is next.

 

[Vic C.]

Does anyone else see Haiti in these scriptures?

We can see whatever we want, depending on current circumstances, but I see ancient Babylon and the inhabitants of Jerusalem in Isa. 47. I also see a real relationship between Isa. 47 and Revelation. :yes

When we attempt to proclaim something is God's wrath based solely on outer appearances and bad deeds (which I feel is wrong judgment on the Christian's part), we must remember this:

Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Is every earthquake, tidal wave, tsunami, volcanic eruption, 9-11, etc. an act of God's wrath or is it nature acting out the order of things which God set into motion via creation?

 

[ronniechoate34]

Does anyone else see Haiti in these scriptures?

We can see whatever we want, depending on current circumstances, but I see ancient Babylon and the inhabitants of Jerusalem in Isa. 47. I also see a real relationship between Isa. 47 and Revelation. :yes

When we attempt to proclaim something is God's wrath based solely on outer appearances and bad deeds (which I feel is wrong judgment on the Christian's part), we must remember this:

Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Is every earthquake, tidal wave, tsunami, volcanic eruption, 9-11, etc. an act of God's wrath or is it nature acting out the order of things which God set into motion via creation?

God could've stopped any one of those things but He didn't.Even nature isn't sovereign from God. Why else would God destroy a people besides judgment?

 

[ronniechoate34]

Isa:30:9: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Isa:30:10: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Isa:30:11: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.


Prophecy is prophecy. Haiti got their promised sudden destruction and none of them saw it coming.


And with like conditions in America all you'll have to do is wait for it and be expecting it, because it's coming both on a small scale and a LARGE scale too.

 

[Sinthesis]

Isa:30:9: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Isa:30:10: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Isa:30:11: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.


Prophecy is prophecy. Haiti got their promised sudden destruction and none of them saw it coming.


And with like conditions in America all you'll have to do is wait for it and be expecting it, because it's coming both on a small scale and a LARGE scale too.

Come down off your high horse. :bigfrown

• Luk 13:1-5 ¶ There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
  2 - And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
  3 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
  4 - Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
  5 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

 

[ronniechoate34]

Isa:30:9: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Isa:30:10: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Isa:30:11: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.


Prophecy is prophecy. Haiti got their promised sudden destruction and none of them saw it coming.


And with like conditions in America all you'll have to do is wait for it and be expecting it, because it's coming both on a small scale and a LARGE scale too.

Come down off your high horse. :bigfrown

• Luk 13:1-5 ¶ There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
  2 - And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
  3 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
  4 - Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
  5 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

I am not riding any horse.


Why don't you give glory to God?

Since your knowledge transcends the Bible and what it tells us about what happened in Haiti, and you don't believe in seeing the judgment of God on people, then why don't you explain it to me? Why didn't God stop it? Why did He let it happen? Why? I know what the Word of God says but maybe you can see it all better from your high horse. Maybe I am missing something, but I seriously doubt it.


Oh BTW, that scripture you posted does not mean I am not supposed to see the judgment of God. It means I'd better watch myself and repent. The earthquake reminded me of that, but thanks for the scripture.

 

[MarkT]

Isa:30:9: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Isa:30:10: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Isa:30:11: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.


Prophecy is prophecy. Haiti got their promised sudden destruction and none of them saw it coming.


And with like conditions in America all you'll have to do is wait for it and be expecting it, because it's coming both on a small scale and a LARGE scale too.

Come down off your high horse. :bigfrown

• Luk 13:1-5 ¶ There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
  2 - And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
  3 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
  4 - Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
  5 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

That God sent some Haitians to hell and not all - that he hasn't sent all men to hell, for we are all evil - for that we should be thankful, and it should be as a warning to us and to all, the godly and the ungodly, that destruction is coming.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Was the tsunami a act of God.

The rush of the tsunami (tidal waves) brought sudden disaster to people carrying out their daily activities.
On the ocean's edge many Indians of India were swept away to their death while taking a ritual Hindu bath, in their worship of the full moon.
India has recorded nearly 10,000 deaths from the tsunami that pounded shorelines on Dec. 26 in its southern states and the outlying Andaman and Nicobar islands. Some 6,000 people are missing and presumed dead, mainly in the island territories.
The death toll is expected to climb higher as the body count continues. No animals were found drown. It is reported that animals were seen moving to higher ground before the tsunami struck, were as human beings were completely unaware.
The tidal wave came in at the very time the Pagans went into the oceans edge to worship. At that very time, on that day, the tidal wave came in.
And the people of the world said that it was just a matter of science.


Does anyone find it odd that the tidal wave came on that very day and hour, and that the Pagans were worshiping their Moon god at the oceans edge?
And what about the Haitians joining Voodoo or other Pagan religions to Christ?
Our scientist also say the earth is due to be struck by a large meteor, but that it will not an act of God. Our scientist also say that it is time for us to have plagues, famine, pestilence, and and increase of earth quakes; but it will not be an act of God.
For sure many things are a matter of science, but it sounds like the scientist are doing a lot of prophesying to me.
Does anyone find it odd that the scientist have said all of these things are meant to happen at the same time frame the bible said it would? But yet it is a matter of science and not of God! Really!

 

[Ed the Ned]

And what about the Haitians joining Voodoo or other Pagan religions to Christ?

I did a bit of investigating regarding Haitians and they seem to have a mixture of Roman Catholicism and Voodoo practises that come come from West African culture. The Haiti government has been in disarray for years and from what I see on the news things are just getting worse. They have a 75% unemployment rate and their literacy rate is just as bad. The churches in Haiti are poor and have little influence on the people. It does seem as though they have traded the Gospel for evil practices. I just pray that through this tragedy Christ love from the Church will shine and Haiti will become a nation for God.

 

[jasoncran]

And what about the Haitians joining Voodoo or other Pagan religions to Christ?

I did a bit of investigating regarding Haitians and they seem to have a mixture of Roman Catholicism and Voodoo practises that come come from West African culture. The Haiti government has been in disarray for years and from what I see on the news things are just getting worse. They have a 75% unemployment rate and their literacy rate is just as bad. The churches in Haiti are poor and have little influence on the people. It does seem as though they have traded the Gospel for evil practices. I just pray that through this tragedy Christ love from the Church will shine and Haiti will become a nation for God.

my church demonation has 150 small churchs there in Haiti.We are trying to help the Lost there. The same could be said about america. we claim to christian yet we have abortion and same sex marriage, the right to die laws. We are no better then they. We deserve that judgement as well. God has been mericful to us in the U.S.

 

[Cornelius]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/ ... tml?hpt=T1

This just broke my heart. How terrible to wait for news on a loved one. There are SO many heartbreaking stories surrounding this disaster ! My heart and prayers go out for the people affected by this.

 

[Ed the Ned]

I read that in a voodoo ceremony in 1791 participants pledged allegiance to satan if their nation were freed from the french. Concerns should also be raised as the voodoo religion believe in Zombie's where a shaman will link the spiritual with the physical after death. With the magnitude of the death in Haiti because of this tragedy, what practices are we about to witness. In our Sunday paper they showed how a dead person was being removed from his coffin, because someone was stealing it.
Jasoncran I applaud your church's efforts in what they are trying to do in Haiti and I am not saying that God was judging Haiti. I would not be so bold to insinuate that.
What I was trying to say is that it is a nation that is far from God and is involved in animal sacrifices and human grave digging and these are things that the government had done in the past to keep the people afraid. What my prayer is: That God would open the door for people to seek his mercy, in their lives and in the life of their nation. I pray that the people that have gone to help are Christian and they use this oppotunity not just to save the physically injured, but also to help save the spiritually lost by spreading the Gospel. In times of distress so many seek mans wisdom to solve their problems, but I think we all no that God, and surrendering ourselves to him is the only solution.

 

[JudaicChristian]

And what about the Haitians joining Voodoo or other Pagan religions to Christ?

I did a bit of investigating regarding Haitians and they seem to have a mixture of Roman Catholicism and Voodoo practises that come come from West African culture. The Haiti government has been in disarray for years and from what I see on the news things are just getting worse. They have a 75% unemployment rate and their literacy rate is just as bad. The churches in Haiti are poor and have little influence on the people. It does seem as though they have traded the Gospel for evil practices. I just pray that through this tragedy Christ love from the Church will shine and Haiti will become a nation for God.

I am surprised at how many Christians believe that God does not see, nor will He do anything. I have been told by Christians that Pagan practices are a thing of the past, and that the Pagan things they do are not the same, nor are they of any importance to God. Well, I have my doubts about that.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The only part of the fault that is more than 1500 hundred miles, broke only under the Haitian city. That is why there were no tidal waves. Act of God or not, that sure seems strange.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Was the tsunami a act of God.

The rush of the tsunami (tidal waves) brought sudden disaster to people carrying out their daily activities.
On the ocean's edge many Indians of India were swept away to their death while taking a ritual Hindu bath, in their worship of the full moon.
India has recorded nearly 10,000 deaths from the tsunami that pounded shorelines on Dec. 26 in its southern states and the outlying Andaman and Nicobar islands. Some 6,000 people are missing and presumed dead, mainly in the island territories.
The death toll is expected to climb higher as the body count continues. No animals were found drown. It is reported that animals were seen moving to higher ground before the tsunami struck, were as human beings were completely unaware.
The tidal wave came in at the very time the Pagans went into the oceans edge to worship. At that very time, on that day, the tidal wave came in.
And the people of the world said that it was just a matter of science.


Does anyone find it odd that the tidal wave came on that very day and hour, and that the Pagans were worshiping their Moon god at the oceans edge?
And what about the Haitians joining Voodoo or other Pagan religions to Christ?
Our scientist also say the earth is due to be struck by a large meteor, but that it will not an act of God. Our scientist also say that it is time for us to have plagues, famine, pestilence, and and increase of earth quakes; but it will not be an act of God.
For sure many things are a matter of science, but it sounds like the scientist are doing a lot of prophesying to me.
Does anyone find it odd that the scientist have said all of these things are meant to happen at the same time frame the bible said it would? But yet it is a matter of science and not of God! Really!

Bumping for page two.

 

[Cornelius]

God is sovereign. Nothing happens that is not under His control.

(Ps.119:91) They abide this day according to thine ordinances; For all things are thy servants.

.........even the earthquake and tsunami .

 

[jasoncran]

I read that in a voodoo ceremony in 1791 participants pledged allegiance to satan if their nation were freed from the french. Concerns should also be raised as the voodoo religion believe in Zombie's where a shaman will link the spiritual with the physical after death. With the magnitude of the death in Haiti because of this tragedy, what practices are we about to witness. In our Sunday paper they showed how a dead person was being removed from his coffin, because someone was stealing it.
Jasoncran I applaud your church's efforts in what they are trying to do in Haiti and I am not saying that God was judging Haiti. I would not be so bold to insinuate that.
What I was trying to say is that it is a nation that is far from God and is involved in animal sacrifices and human grave digging and these are things that the government had done in the past to keep the people afraid. What my prayer is: That God would open the door for people to seek his mercy, in their lives and in the life of their nation. I pray that the people that have gone to help are Christian and they use this oppotunity not just to save the physically injured, but also to help save the spiritually lost by spreading the Gospel. In times of distress so many seek mans wisdom to solve their problems, but I think we all no that God, and surrendering ourselves to him is the only solution.

we are sending in the troops to restore and L&O. In a way I hope I get called up for this.

 

[Vic C.]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/17/airforce.major.missing/index.html?hpt=T1

This just broke my heart. How terrible to wait for news on a loved one. There are SO many heartbreaking stories surrounding this disaster ! My heart and prayers go out for the people affected by this.

Amen C. This is where a Christian's heart should be. We should not be pointing fingers at a repressed society and saying to them this is God's wrath on you. :gah

Why don't you give glory to God?

I DO give glory to God. I praise HIM as HE motivates people, missionaries, nations, etc. to aid in the relief of those who have suffered and lost much.

Ronnie, it's not personal, but this attitude and these sort of topics really get to me. As I posted earlier, God is no respecter of persons and allows it to rain on both the just and the unjust.

What about the children, toddlers, infants, newborn and even the disabled ones? How is this judgment on them? What about the many visiting from other nations, whether they be students, missionaries, etc. that aren't part of their society but were taken down in this catastrophe?

We as Christians should not relish in the idea that each and every disaster is God's wrath. As a Christian, this saddens me as much as the disaster itself. Please pass that on to Pat Robertson too. :verysad

When God levels La's Vegas, then maybe we have something to talk about. :yes