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[Jake99]

You seem to have Christ confused with God, they are not the same. They are unified in purpose but one is a spirit and one is a human. Christ can do what god cannot and god can do what christ cannot, its a team of like minds. Creator and repairman. Jesus was not all knowing and he was not the creator. He was a special and extremely gifted man that understood gods plan and was used to perform prophesies and miracles.

 

[Vic C.]

You seem to have Christ confused with God, they are not the same. They are unified in purpose but one is a spirit and one is a human. Christ can do what god cannot and god can do what christ cannot, its a team of like minds. Creator and repairman. Jesus was not all knowing and he was not the creator. He was a special and extremely gifted man that understood gods plan and was used to perform prophesies and miracles.

I think you need to study the Bible a bit. There is NOT a single God cannot do. As far as Jesus not being Creator, again, read your Bible.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

I won't even start about denying His deity. :-?

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

 

[Solo]

You seem to have Christ confused with God, they are not the same. They are unified in purpose but one is a spirit and one is a human. Christ can do what god cannot and god can do what christ cannot, its a team of like minds. Creator and repairman. Jesus was not all knowing and he was not the creator. He was a special and extremely gifted man that understood gods plan and was used to perform prophesies and miracles.

Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God almighty, but the scriptures say differently. My experience is that those that do not believe that Jesus is God are not born again as taught in John 3.

One fine friend of mine did not believe that Jesus was God, but she believed Jesus to be the Son of God. After I talked with her for a while, she desired to pray for forgiveness of her sins and she confessed that Jesus is Lord. She prayed for forgiveness and prayed a belief that Jesus died for her sins. That night at around 2:00am she called excitedly exclaiming that I was right, Jesus is God! She had gotten home that evening and she noticed a book on her bookshelf. She picked it up and it explained that Jesus is God. She could not see this truth while and unbeliever, but after being born of God, she plainly saw that Jesus is God.



6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:1-4

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 John 1:1-7

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:8

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Revelation 1:11-20

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:6-8

 

[Jake99]

To my knowledge, I am no more born of God than anyone else and I am not all good or perfect. I do not read the bible ( I was taught it as a child) for it was written of me and I understand Christ just the way the book is written and I have lived. Christ knows and endorses Gods plan which is outlined in the bible and he is very supernatural when it comes to abilities and accomplishments. Do you know how fast fixing things in the twinkling of an eye is? I do because I specialize in doing exactly that on a daily basis and I use the biblical systems that the world leaders do not. Just because you know Gods plan and are his servant does not make you the creator but rather the repair man. I have been, with the knowledge of Gods plan the best repair man and warrior this world has ever seen and that is a verifiable fact. As far as seven candles, I come from a family of seven of the most accomplished, gifted, beautiful and talented children this world has ever seen and when they sing, it is as if angels arrived. Elvis, John Lennon, U2, and the rest of the greats cannot and have not outperformed my family and neither can your best athletes, engineers or business leaders. Yes Tiger Woods is a better golfer but only because he spends more time at it and my brother won a 72 hole championship on a former US Open course, thats close enough. John MacEnroe did not have a better serve and we have several trophies in most sports including tennis. Remember Christ has to prove who he is by his actions and abilities and what better place to do that than standing against the judges and the elect. And by leading many people and businesses to peace, prosperity and long life as promised and demonstrated hundreds of times before stepping forward. Its a chess match which I have played since I was 10 and check mate has been called right at Y2K while you slept. I have my foot on Satans head and the courts know that, the only problem is he is your leader and your way. It is time to follow Christ and Satan will live no more.

 

[Solo]

To my knowledge, I am no more born of God than anyone else and I am not all good or perfect. I do not read the bible ( I was taught it as a child) for it was written of me and I understand Christ just the way the book is written and I have lived. Christ knows and endorses Gods plan which is outlined in the bible and he is very supernatural when it comes to abilities and accomplishments. Do you know how fast fixing things in the twinkling of an eye is? I do because I specialize in doing exactly that on a daily basis and I use the biblical systems that the world leaders do not. Just because you know Gods plan and are his servant does not make you the creator but rather the repair man. I have been, with the knowledge of Gods plan the best repair man and warrior this world has ever seen and that is a verifiable fact. As far as seven candles, I come from a family of seven of the most accomplished, gifted, beautiful and talented children this world has ever seen and when they sing, it is as if angels arrived. Elvis, John Lennon, U2, and the rest of the greats cannot and have not outperformed my family and neither can your best athletes, engineers or business leaders. Yes Tiger Woods is a better golfer but only because he spends more time at it and my brother won a 72 hole championship on a former US Open course, thats close enough. John MacEnroe did not have a better serve and we have several trophies in most sports including tennis. Remember Christ has to prove who he is by his actions and abilities and what better place to do that than standing against the judges and the elect. And by leading many people and businesses to peace, prosperity and long life as promised and demonstrated hundreds of times before stepping forward. Its a chess match which I have played since I was 10 and check mate has been called right at Y2K while you slept. I have my foot on Satans head and the courts know that, the only problem is he is your leader and your way. It is time to follow Christ and Satan will live no more.

From your posts I would agree with you that you are no more born of God than anyone else. When you become born of God you will recognize that Jesus is God. Until then you are just skating along hoping to be on the right track, all the while being deceived by the enemy. Read the Bible and you will correct any errors that you have in correctly dividing the truth of God, and put on the full armor of God so that you can successfully battle the enemy.

 

[Geo]

Yes, that's also the reason why it's one of the thoughest tasks
to talk to a Jehovah Witnesses and make them aware of that.
It's the essential crunch point they are trained to overlook.

If you have everything, except the Son, what do you have?
A point of view.

 

[Jake99]

The messiah does not have to be the creator to perform miracles, what Jesus did any man can do if they are on the right path. What was a miracle yesterday is a reality today, just being in another world can get you to think outside the box and ahead of your time. "I am not of this world." Jesus was extremely gifted and mentally and physically superior to all others due to knowing gods plan, genetics and understanding the fundamentals of the way. The bible is mans rendition of what actually happened and what is expected to happen and it is very close to accurate. God has a hand in many things and the messiah was in some ways a puppet that had free will and the proper knowledge. You then have the son who is a human with faults and the father who is guiding the son who does not have faults. And if you want to see armor look at the messiah who is encapsulated in it and always has been. Its the failsafe mechanism of performing miracles, prophesies and being protected and gifted like no other that identifies the real Christ. If you do nothing else open the door when the messiah knocks on it no matter how strange his ways seem to be.

 

[4Israel]

what did Jesus say

"He who endure till the end shall be saved." the end of what? THE END OF THE AGE.

 

[Jake99]

Solo,

I have put on the armor every day for 50 years and I have yet to be defeated even once by my enemy. That includes every bully, abusive manager, policeman, teacher, police force, US Marine, jails, courthouses, doctors, judges and false prophets I could get my hands on. I have been in more wars that anyone else that has ever walked the earth. And as far as you calling me to old in an earlier post. At 50 years old I am still one of the best all around athletes this world has ever seen and people ask me often where I learned to snowboard because I am still one of the best in New England. The perfect man is great at all things and so are my 6 siblings beyond anything you have ever seen on TV. When you come to my house you are playing against the very best this planet has seen in all catagories and their is only a dozen of us.

 

[Solo]

Solo,

I have put on the armor every day for 50 years and I have yet to be defeated even once by my enemy. That includes every bully, abusive manager, policeman, teacher, police force, US Marine, jails, courthouses, doctors, judges and false prophets I could get my hands on. I have been in more wars that anyone else that has ever walked the earth. And as far as you calling me to old in an earlier post. At 50 years old I am still one of the best all around athletes this world has ever seen and people ask me often where I learned to snowboard because I am still one of the best in New England. The perfect man is great at all things and so are my 6 siblings beyond anything you have ever seen on TV. When you come to my house you are playing against the very best this planet has seen in all catagories and their is only a dozen of us.

Jim,

You sound more prideful than anything else. I doubt that you could even speak about what being born again is all about. You only have a few more years of snowboarding ahead of you so have fun. After that you will have to explain to the Lord of Lords and King of Kings why you teach the stuff you teach. You spoke in one of your posts that you do not have to read the Bible. That speaks volumes of how illiterate you are in Biblical understanding. You may know snowboarding but you don't know the Bible. Perhaps you should spend time asking God to show you the truth about his Word instead of conning people about your impressions on life.

Solo

 

[Jake99]

Solo,

Born again only happens when you follow Christ in the flesh and I know all about that because I have demonstrated what Jesus was said to have demonstrated. Walking on water and healing the sick was a daily event and thousands of documents prove that only through me can you achieve peace and prosperity. I performed miracles and prophecies with very little assistance and minimal education in the twinkling of an eye, one after another against all odds. The effects of my leadership in how they have helped others goes way beyond that of any other man in all of time and that includes Jesus. I am very proud of the thousands of problems I solved permanently that so many leaders before me could not. I am also very proud of my abilities and accomplishments which are top notch in every sport and endeavor. Christ does not need to read the bible or be trained as you are, nor does he need training at outperforming all others combined. His ability is genetic and his knowledge comes from within.
That is how a last in the class (450th) high school student and teenage activist ends up as the most successful business leader in all of time. And the same demonstrations and leadership abilities were performed while in the Marines, and in many courtrooms. Christ is great at all things and speaks a language you have not heard before. I am what you say I am, the king of kings and my way is the biblical way that you do not understand or heed. Get rid of the money changers, take the lines on the map, treat others as you would yourself and thou shall not kill is the opposite of the system this world uses. You will be born again when you accept christ as your leader in the flesh here on earth and follow his ways. Life is short I suggest the deaf, dumb and blind wake up and stand behind the man they say they will before global warming gets worse.

 

[Vic C.]

Walking on water and healing the sick was a daily event and thousands of documents prove that only through me can you achieve peace and prosperity. I performed miracles and prophecies with very little assistance and minimal education in the twinkling of an eye, one after another against all odds. The effects of my leadership in how they have helped others goes way beyond that of any other man in all of time and that includes Jesus.

That's it! I have warned you a couple of times to cease and desist form such blasphemous talk.

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You won't be labeled as a troll if your post has substance.

One more and we will have no choice but to suspend this account for a week or two. Sorry. :-?

 

[Jake99]

Vic

Remember that Jesus was called a blasphemer after he performed many miracles. His mistake was that he left no evidence behind which I did in the form of thousands of documents and witnesses since I was a child. I don't make mistakes very often and I seldom make them twice. My trials, demonstrations and accomplishments speak loud and clear of my ability to turn chaos into peace and prosperity in the twinkling of an eye. I suggest you look before you leap to a conclusion that I am delusional, numerous doctors for the prosecution have taken the stand in court and said otherwise. I am here to change this world in the twinkling of an eye and it looks like you are here to stop me as Satan is. Whos side are you on anyway? Are you afraid of change?

 

[Vic C.]

Vic

Remember that Jesus was called a blasphemer after he performed many miracles. His mistake was that he left no evidence behind which I did in the form of thousands of documents and witnesses since I was a child. I don't make mistakes very often and I seldom make them twice. My trials, demonstrations and accomplishments speak loud and clear of my ability to turn chaos into peace and prosperity in the twinkling of an eye. I suggest you look before you leap to a conclusion that I am delusional, numerous doctors for the prosecution have taken the stand in court and said otherwise. I am here to change this world in the twinkling of an eye and it looks like you are here to stop me as Satan is. Whos side are you on anyway? Are you afraid of change?

1. YOU are NOT Jesus.

2. Jeus made NO mastakes

3. You did.

 

[Jake99]

Vic,

You are the most correct person in this forum when it comes to the bible and I have enjoyed and appreciated your input most of which I probably agree with. What mistake have I made? I performed exactly as you said the messiah would perform, and I documented every miracle that occurred. Am I perfect? NO but pretty close, according to facts and that pile would fill your garage. Am I the son of god? YES that is who I am. Am I God? in a sense, Yes, but only as representative, I endorse and demonstrate his simple plan and I was put on this planet to do just that. I have been a terrific mediator between large companies and large unions and my judgements which were many were never contested. It was a text book demonstration of the theories of all the religious books combined and it worked to perfection. If you look at the results associated with my leadership and numerous legal battles with who I and the bible call Satan, you will find no errors and tremendous successs. I have had my foot on his head since childhood, but he has your ear.

I ask only that you review my accomplishments and compare them to everyone elses in all of time and you will find that I can be no other than the savior. Hamas just surrounded Israel by way of election, I have a duty to save Gods people, all of them and I can make friends out of everyone on the planet in minutes. Please support me and let me complete this part of my mission. Every thing I have ever done has been for you.

 

[Vic C.]

Scripture tells us HE will save His people. They have His promise. We Christians have the duty of fulfilling The Great Commission; the spreading of the Gospel throughout the world. That is our duty. If you consider yourself a Christian, this is what you should do.

You say you are the son of God. That is partially right; you are A son og God, we believers are all sons of God, but we are not THE son of God; that role is already taken. You say you are God in a sense. I disagree. Are you a representative of God? I don't know you or your heart, but how you present yourself here does not show us proper representation.

You have laid claims here about your accomplishments that go unsubstantiated. If you are in a position that allows you to glorify God with the good works you do, great, but they should be done without boasting. One cannot claim to be God, Jesus. etc. and not have it go unnoticed. These come across as blaphemous statements to many Christians here. We have the Word of God to tell us when and how Jesus will return. Is He here in spirit? I would hope so. Is He here in the flesh? Well if I understand God's word, no, He isn't. Not yet anyway.

Be a good steward and servant.

Peace,
Vic

 

[Windozer]

Is He here in the flesh? Well if I understand God's word, no, He isn't. Not yet anyway.

While I have not read the posts that you are responding to Vic, And I do not want to take anything away from your intent in addressing this issue. I have a question.

Is he here in your flesh? Is he here in the flesh of your brothers and sisters? What about the exchanged life Vic?

Does he live in us? Are we not his flesh? His arms? His feet etc? Are we not to die to self that he might live through us?

2 Thessalonians 1:12
We pray this so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. [ Or God and Lord, Jesus Christ]

Romans 8:9
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

We Christians have the duty of fulfilling The Great Commission; the spreading of the Gospel throughout the world. That is our duty. If you consider yourself a Christian, this is what you should do.

I do not see it that way. The way I see it is that he wants to live through us. We are to be his vessels. And for some of us that just might be showing compassion. While in others it could be something entirely different like teaching or what have you that would be of service to him. As opposed to being students of the book.

May God bless you all this holiday season.

 

[Vic C.]

While I have not read the posts that you are responding to Vic, And I do not want to take anything away from your intent in addressing this issue. I have a question.

Is he here in your flesh? Is he here in the flesh of your brothers and sisters? What about the exchanged life Vic?

Does he live in us? Are we not his flesh? His arms? His feet etc? Are we not to die to self that he might live through us?...

When I said, "in the flesh", I was referring to His second advent.

Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

He will return again, in His full glory.

Peace,
Vic

 

[Windozer]

When I said, "in the flesh", I was referring to His second advent.

I know you were Vic. It is just that I have seen so much written here (so much focus on the sins of others) That I thought I would try and shed a some what different light on the on the over all picture.

If Jesus is living in us (through us) it follows that to the extent we allow him to reign within us) he will accomplish his goals with/in us.

It would be nice to see someone talk a little about that here.

Yes.. Peace brother.