Have I been reading 2 Timothy 3:1-9 wrong?

[eddif]

How can I help you out? You have listed the four things that are the basis for our blessings.

I may have the major provisions, but I feel there are more specific precious stones / jewels to be identified.
Thanks

eddif

 

[Stan1953]

You must have my post mixed up with someone else's, as the word "bride" isn't in my post.
Did the Lord say this to His Covenant people -
Your maker is your Husband?
JLB

No, I addressed your post, AND noted I was not addressing you but you responded by seemingly supporting what I posted against. If you weren't, then why did you respond to my post, and what is your point?

 

[eddif]

Traditions are at times so powerful that they shut out bible study.

Numbers 16:1
Now Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men:
2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:
3 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them,Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?

I suggest the reading of Numbers 16
Numbers 16:30
But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.
32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and alltheir goods.

The wrath of God (from heaven was revealed.
Romans 1:18

A study of names (children included) may provide more information. I think the rebellion was trying to lead people astray.

eddif

 

[JLB]

No, I addressed your post, AND noted I was not addressing you but you responded by seemingly supporting what I posted against. If you weren't, then why did you respond to my post, and what is your point?

My point is being a tab bit clearer as you requested.

Did the Lord, say this to His
Covenant people -

Your maker is your Husband?

For your Maker is your husband, The Lord of hosts is His name; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel; He is called the God of the whole earth. Isaiah 54:5

JLB

 

[Stan1953]

My point is being a tab bit clearer as you requested.
Did the Lord, say this to His
Covenant people -
Your maker is your Husband?
For your Maker is your husband, The Lord of hosts is His name; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel; He is called the God of the whole earth. Isaiah 54:5
JLB

Obviously, as you've quoted the scripture...but you still haven't made a point?

 

[JLB]

Obviously, as you've quoted the scripture...but you still haven't made a point?

The point is, The Lord referred to Himself as the covenant people's Husband.

Paul understands this and reveal's it as a Mystery.

He also refers to us as being married to Christ... Him who is risen from the dead.

4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

...that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead,

Is there any doubt in your mind as to Who Paul is referring to here.

Paul is referring to the children of Israel [covenant people], who were married to the Lord.

The Lord became flesh, and died, with His death the law also died, so that we are now married to Him who is raised from the dead.

Paul expounds on this mystery, in his letter to the Ephesians -

31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
Ephesians 5:31

Paul clearly uses the language that referred to Adam and Eve, as they were joined in a blood covenant marriage, as ordained by God.

31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:31-32

This is now revealed as a prophetic type of Christ and the Church.


Christ as the Man, and the Church as the wife.


JLB

 

[Stan1953]

The point is, The Lord referred to Himself as the covenant people's Husband.
Paul understands this and reveal's it as a Mystery.
He also refers to us as being married to Christ... Him who is risen from the dead.
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
...that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead,
Is there any doubt in your mind as to Who Paul is referring to here.
Paul is referring to the children of Israel [covenant people], who were married to the Lord.
The Lord became flesh, and died, with His death the law also died, so that we are now married to Him who is raised from the dead.
Paul expounds on this mystery, in his letter to the Ephesians -
31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
Ephesians 5:31
Paul clearly uses the language that referred to Adam and Eve, as they were joined in a blood covenant marriage, as ordained by God.
31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:31-32
This is now revealed as a prophetic type of Christ and the Church.
Christ as the Man, and the Church as the wife.
JLB

I'm still not seeing how this relates to my post?
But as far as the mystery is concerned, this is not what Paul was addressing, because it obviously wasn't a mystery if it was in Isaiah.
As I recall, my comment was about who the NT says is the bride of Christ, not who is the head of the church, or who Paul said he committed the church to. There are more than a few allegories or representations of the relationship between Christ and His church, but as far as my post was concerned it dealt with the term "bride" and who that is depicted as in the NT.
I have no problem with what you're pointing out here except I don't know where you get this "blood covenant marriage" from?
BTW, a wife and a bride are NOT the same thing.

 

[JLB]

I'm still not seeing how this relates to my post?
But as far as the mystery is concerned, this is not what Paul was addressing, because it obviously wasn't a mystery if it was in Isaiah.
As I recall, my comment was about who the NT says is the bride of Christ, not who is the head of the church, or who Paul said he committed the church to. There are more than a few allegories or representations of the relationship between Christ and His church, but as far as my post was concerned it dealt with the term "bride" and who that is depicted as in the NT.
I have no problem with what you're pointing out here except I don't know where you get this "blood covenant marriage" from?
BTW, a wife and a bride are NOT the same thing.

Marriage is designed by God as a blood covenant.

Did you not know that?


JLB

 

[WIP]

Remember to use scripture to support your understanding per the forum guidelines.

 

[Stan1953]

Marriage is designed by God as a blood covenant.
Did you not know that?
JLB

Did you not understand my post?
I said; "I don't know where you get this "blood covenant marriage" from?"

 

[JLB]

BTW, a wife and a bride are NOT the same thing.

Yes, a bride has a hymen, and a wife does not.

One is pledged to be in a blood covenant, and one actually has made a blood covenant.

31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." Ephesians 5:31

I hope this covers both points.


JLB

 

[eddif]

Exodus 4:25
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

eddif

 

[eddif]

Deuteronomy 30:6
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Good chance the Roman spear into the side of Jesus accomplished this circumcision as we receive by grace through faith what Jesus accomplished.
I Peter 2:24

Great mystery, through a glass darkly, see now in part. Not blind, but not yet perfectly.

The Revelation 3:20 implantation of seed in our spirit. Christ in us the hope of glory.

eddif