He Rose On Sunday True or False

[Lewis]

I Lewis, is not trying to sway anyone, but I want to hear what many of you has to say about this. It has been years since I talked about this on this forum. But you can read the whole thing at this link. So who here is fully convinced that Jesus rose on Sunday ? And who here is fully convinced that Jesus rose on a Saturday ? This site is to fellowship and learn so let's learn.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm

On what day was our Savior resurrected?

Most believers seem to think that Yeshua (Jesus) was resurrected on a Sunday and attempt to use Luke 24:1-10 as proof and justification to change God's seventh day Sabbath to the first day. But is this a huge mistake! Where and when did God ever tell us that Sunday is now HIS Sabbath? The answer lies indisputably in the Bible which, when viewed from a "Hebrew perspective", tells us that Yeshua was resurrected at the end of the Sabbath; not early on a Sunday morning (the first day).

A thorough study of the Bible reveals that Yeshua was in the grave three days and three nights, and it tells us that He died on Passover which was during the High Holy Days (14 Nisan [see Leviticus 23:5]). This article will show that He was in the grave just before sunset on Wednesday night, according to Scripture (John 19:31); all day Thursday and Thursday night; all day Friday and Friday night, and all day Saturday (as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights) until just before sunset on Saturday when He was resurrected.
To begin with, in order to discern exactly when our Savior rose, it is important recognize a few things - beginning with the fact that the "dawning of a new day" according to YHWH is at twilight as it is getting dark; not first light in the morning!

(NOTE: According to Aramaic scholar and author Andrew Gabriel Roth, Aramaic literally reads "b'ramsha din b'shabata", or "in the evening of the Shabbat". The literal meaning of ramsha is "evening" or erev, but here it is used idiomatically. The dawn and set of the sun is not the only use; there is the "dawn of a new era" or as John 19:31 reads "mitil d'shabata negha", "the Shabbat was dawning." When we compare other verses that record this event, the time of the day being referred to is clearly more than half a day before literal dawn. In John chapter 19, when they put Y'shua into the tomb, they still refer to it as being "day", both in Aramaic and Greek. The "dawn" metaphor "to begin" is confirmed in John 19:42. A more literal form, "mitil d'shabata aiala", would be read as "the Sabbath was beginning/ entering/ coming about". What is true for "dawning" is also true of "setting" in the sense of "conclusion", as is meant here. This agrees with Greek version, Aramaic information in Matthew, and with other writers in the NT.)

Genesis 1: 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.
We also need to note the time that Yeshua was placed into the grave, which was at sunset - or approximately 5 p.m. (March-April timeframe). No matter what the days are called on our modern calendars, there is no way that 72 hours beginning sometime in the evening can end early on the morning three days later - which is what most Christian scholars are trying to insist.
The Bible tells us that Yeshua died at 3 p.m. (the ninth hour - John 19:14); that He was buried later that day (John 19:31); and that He was in the grave "three days and three nights" (72 hours).

Matthew 27: 45 From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.
Matthew 27: 46 And about the ninth hour, Y'shua cried out with a loud voice and said, My El! My El! Why have you spared me?* (See also Mark 15:33-34 and Luke 23:44)
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm

 

[John 8:32]

Absolutely false. The only sign Christ gave that He was the Messiah was that He would be in the tomb three days and three nights. One cannot count three days and three nights from Friday at sunset to Sunday Morning before sunrise.

There is so much information in the scriptures concerning this that it still surprises me that anyone accepts the false dogma of the council of Nicea.

Only sign given that He was the Messiah...

Mat 12:39-40

39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.-NKJV


Christ knew how long a day and a night were...

John 11:9-10

9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10 But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.†-NKJV

12 hours in the daylight portion, 12 hours at night. Pretty simple math here, 12*3 + 12*3 = 72 hours. He was buried just around sunset on a Wednesday and rose around sunset on Saturday afternoon.

John 20:1-2

Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.â€-NKJV

Still dark and He was already gone.

This is also supported by the Wave Sheaf Offering which pictures the resurrection and the subsequent offering of Himself to the Father as the sacrifice for sin.

 

[John 8:32]

You can read Lev 23:9-14 for the Wave Sheaf Offering.


[SIZE=+1]"The Mishnah, written a few centuries after the time of the first century church, describes how a messenger would go out and bind the standing stalks of grain into sheaves so that it would be easy to cut. The priest, followed by his entourage, would come to the field, sickle in hand, and ask, "Is the sun set?", to which the people would answer, "Yes!!" "Shall I reap?" "Reap!!" The priest then cut off a standing stalk of grain, then took it to be prepared for the offering the next morning.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In an article in the June 1975 Good News entitled "The Wavesheaf Ritual – Proof of Christ and the Bible," Lawson C. Briggs wrote, "In the time of Jesus the wavesheaf was offered on the Sunday during Passover week. This is clear since the priests – who were mostly Sadducees – were in charge of the Temple and all the Temple ceremony (Acts 4:1-6; 5:17). The timing and symbolism of this ceremony would have been overwhelming to those who knew the events of Jesus' death and resurrection.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]"The wave sheaf had been chosen in advance, as Christ was. It was tied in a bundle, symbolizing His captivity. It was cut loose from the ground just at sunset – just the time at which Christ rose from the dead after three days and three nights in the tomb. The cutting of the grain symbolized Christ's actual resurrection" (emphasis mine).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Here’s a quote from another source, a Bible study tape by Herman Hoeh: "We might as well face it – that the resurrection occurred minutes following the close of the Sabbath – Saturday night, when the wave sheaf was cut. What we have is not the old saying that I used to have to use, that the wave sheaf represents the resurrected Christ – but it represents the resurrection![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]"This is the prophesied resurrection that we have never seen in the ceremonies of the law, and was properly done in Jewish tradition (page 506-7 of the Mishnah). It was a rule that it should be reaped by night, at the very beginning minutes, so there would be no delay in preparing it, and then the next morning it was to be waved.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"The resurrection occurred when the wave sheaf was cut, [and the] ascension occurred when it was waved before the altar...†(Herman Hoeh, Pasadena Bible Study, June 9, 1978).[/SIZE] " - Jack M. Lane

 

[Lewis]

Until I am convinced otherwise it is Saturday for me as well.

 

[JMJ]

Hi Lewis,

This is my understanding of Jesus' Resurrection Day:

Jesus who is God the Son changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday when He chose to rise from the dead on the First Day of the Week. He finished/completed the Old Covenant and ratified His New Covenant by His own blood. The Old Law is no longer in effect. The New Law is now in effect. Jesus has the power to do this because He is Lord of the Sabbath.

Luke 6:3-5 (NKJV)
3 But Jesus answering them said, “Have you not even read this, what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he went into the house of God, took and ate the showbread, and also gave some to those with him, which is not lawful for any but the priests to eat?” 5 And He said to them, “The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Hebrews 7:11-12 (NKJV) Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Comparisons are not always exactly the same because some liberty is allowed in order to stress the author's point. Three days and three nights pertains to Jonah's 3 day ordeal in the belly of the fish and this event prefigured Jesus' 3 days in the belly of the earth:

Matthew 12:40 NKJV
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus' Sacrifice began on Thursday at the Last Supper ("THIS IS MY BLOOD"), continued in the Garden of Gethsemane that evening, and was completed on the cross on Friday afternoon. He rose on the third day after His death which is the day we now call Sunday. He was in the grave for 40 hours.

Luke 24:46 NKJV
Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,

Died on Friday the first day, stayed in the tomb on Saturday the second day, and rose on Sunday the third day after His death.

Matthew 28:1 NKJV
Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Mark 16:2 NKJV
Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Mark 16:9 NKJV
Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.

Luke 24:1 NKJV
Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

Jesus commissioned His apostles for His new Church on the first day of the week:

John 20:19 NKJV
Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

The Holy Spirit's tongues of fire came upon the apostles on Pentecost Sunday which is also the first day of the week. The Church was officially born on Pentecost Sunday which is exactly 50 days after the resurrection of Christ:

Acts 2:1-4 NKJV
2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Jesus chose Sunday the first day of the week as the day of worship for His Church when He chose to rise from the dead on the first day of the week:

New life, new beginning, new worship day. For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is a change in law.

JMJ

 

[John 8:32]

Hi Lewis,

This is my understanding of Jesus' Resurrection Day:

Jesus who is God the Son changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday when He chose to rise from the dead on the First Day of the Week. He finished/completed the Old Covenant and ratified His New Covenant by His own blood. The Old Law is no longer in effect. The New Law is now in effect. Jesus has the power to do this because He is Lord of the Sabbath.

Luke 6:3-5 (NKJV)
3 But Jesus answering them said, “Have you not even read this, what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he went into the house of God, took and ate the showbread, and also gave some to those with him, which is not lawful for any but the priests to eat?†5 And He said to them, “The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.â€

Hebrews 7:11-12 (NKJV) Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Comparisons are not always exactly the same because some liberty is allowed in order to stress the author's point. Three days and three nights pertains to Jonah's 3 day ordeal in the belly of the fish and this event prefigured Jesus' 3 days in the belly of the earth:

Matthew 12:40 NKJV
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus' Sacrifice began on Thursday at the Last Supper ("THIS IS MY BLOOD"), continued in the Garden of Gethsemane that evening, and was completed on the cross on Friday afternoon. He rose on the third day after His death which is the day we now call Sunday. He was in the grave for 40 hours.

Seems to me that three days and three nights is 72 hours.

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
10But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

It is very easy to prove that He was crucified on Wednesday and rose Sabbath afternoon at about sunset.

Luke 24:46

NKJV

Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,

Died on Friday the first day, stayed in the tomb on Saturday the second day, and rose on Sunday the third day after His death.

He said the only sign He would give that He was the Messiah was 72 hours...

Mat 12:30 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

And as John 11:9-10 shows there are 12 hours in the day and 12 hours in the night. Pretty simple math here.

Matthew 28:1

NKJV

Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Mark 16:2 NKJV
Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Mark 16:9 NKJV
Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.

Luke 24:1 NKJV
Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

You missed the part about Him being already gone while it was still dark...

John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the LORD out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

He was already gone.

Jesus commissioned His apostles for His new Church on the first day of the week:

John 20:19 NKJV
Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.â€

The Holy Spirit's tongues of fire came upon the apostles on Pentecost Sunday which is also the first day of the week. The Church was officially born on Pentecost Sunday which is exactly 50 days after the resurrection of Christ:

Acts 2:1-4 NKJV
2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

What you have succeeded in showing here is that they are keeping the Feast Days of Lev 23.

He ascended to the Father on the day of the Wave Sheaf Offering just as Lev 23:9-14 shows and then the church was keeping Pentecost as outlined in Lev 23:15-21

Jesus chose Sunday the first day of the week as the day of worship for His Church when He chose to rise from the dead on the first day of the week:

New life, new beginning, new worship day. For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is a change in law.

JMJ

Heb 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;-NIV

Heb 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,-English Standard Version

Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God-New American Standard Bible

The word for rest in Heb 4:9 is G4520: Sabbatismos. Any guess which day of the week that might be?

A good study is to google "sabbath to sunday change" and see who really changed the day. Here is a little hint, it was changed by a "Universal" organization and formalized at the council of Nicea in 325 A.D. Right about here we ought to note that catholic means universal.

Acts 13:13 Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem.
14But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

In a Gentile city.

Acts 16:11 Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis;

12And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days. 13And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Again in a Gentile city.

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
3Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Paul's custom was to keep the Sabbath.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

He reasoned with the Greeks = Gentiles on the Sabbath

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Let no man judge you in keeping the Sabbath days. More than one type of day, the weekly Sabbath and the annual Sabbaths. Keep the Sabbath days because they are a shadow, a figure, a type of events to come. One cannot understand the plan of God without the Sabbath and Holydays.

If the day was changed, why didn't anyone, Christ, Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude or anyone else come out and say "By the way, don't keep the Sabbath anymore, keep Sunday"? Because it was not changed. Heb 13:8 The same one who gave the Ten Commandments on Mt Sinai didn't change it in the N.T.

 

[Dude-Dastic]

Hi Lewis,

This is my understanding of Jesus' Resurrection Day:

Jesus who is God the Son changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday when He chose to rise from the dead on the First Day of the Week. He finished/completed the Old Covenant and ratified His New Covenant by His own blood. The Old Law is no longer in effect. The New Law is now in effect. Jesus has the power to do this because He is Lord of the Sabbath.

Luke 6:3-5 (NKJV)
3 But Jesus answering them said, “Have you not even read this, what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he went into the house of God, took and ate the showbread, and also gave some to those with him, which is not lawful for any but the priests to eat?†5 And He said to them, “The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.â€

Hebrews 7:11-12 (NKJV) Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Comparisons are not always exactly the same because some liberty is allowed in order to stress the author's point. Three days and three nights pertains to Jonah's 3 day ordeal in the belly of the fish and this event prefigured Jesus' 3 days in the belly of the earth:

Matthew 12:40 NKJV
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus' Sacrifice began on Thursday at the Last Supper ("THIS IS MY BLOOD"), continued in the Garden of Gethsemane that evening, and was completed on the cross on Friday afternoon. He rose on the third day after His death which is the day we now call Sunday. He was in the grave for 40 hours.

Luke 24:46 NKJV
Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,

Died on Friday the first day, stayed in the tomb on Saturday the second day, and rose on Sunday the third day after His death.

Matthew 28:1 NKJV
Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Mark 16:2 NKJV
Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Mark 16:9 NKJV
Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.

Luke 24:1 NKJV
Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

Jesus commissioned His apostles for His new Church on the first day of the week:

John 20:19 NKJV
Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.â€

The Holy Spirit's tongues of fire came upon the apostles on Pentecost Sunday which is also the first day of the week. The Church was officially born on Pentecost Sunday which is exactly 50 days after the resurrection of Christ:

Acts 2:1-4 NKJV
2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Jesus chose Sunday the first day of the week as the day of worship for His Church when He chose to rise from the dead on the first day of the week:

New life, new beginning, new worship day. For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is a change in law.

JMJ

It doesn't matter what day of the week Jesus rose from the grave. He didn't change a single thing in the 10 Commandments when He was resurrected. The day of worship did not change from Saturday (the Sabbath of the 4th commandment) to Sunday. Yes, certain things may have happened on the first day of the week, but a change in the official day of worship DID NOT happen.

 

[Slider]

I'm of the belief that he died on Wednesday and rose on Saturday. It is the only way everything fits together without taking liberties on certain things like saying "3 days and 3 nights doesn't have to mean 72 hours".

It doesn't change my view on Sunday being a day of worship (no, I'm not saying it is that sabbath). Sunday is the first day of the week and dedicating it to God certainly isn't a bad thing. Furthermore, Paul asked that a collection be taken on the first day of the week. I'm not saying that a Church or a Christian is wrong by not having Church on Sunday, but there isn't anything wrong with it.

 

[John 8:32]

I'm of the belief that he died on Wednesday and rose on Saturday. It is the only way everything fits together without taking liberties on certain things like saying "3 days and 3 nights doesn't have to mean 72 hours".

It doesn't change my view on Sunday being a day of worship (no, I'm not saying it is that sabbath). Sunday is the first day of the week and dedicating it to God certainly isn't a bad thing. Furthermore, Paul asked that a collection be taken on the first day of the week. I'm not saying that a Church or a Christian is wrong by not having Church on Sunday, but there isn't anything wrong with it.

Collection on the first day of the week...

1 Cor 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.

Why send this to Jerusalem?

Acts 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.

28And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.
29Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea: 30Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

Rom 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

They were sending this collection of foodstuffs taken up on Sunday (so that they would not break the Sabbath) to alleviate the famine.

2 Cor 8:16 But thanks be to God, which put the same earnest care into the heart of Titus for you.

17For indeed he accepted the exhortation; but being more forward, of his own accord he went unto you.
18And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;
19And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:
20Avoiding this, that no man should blame us in this abundance which is administered by us:
21Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.
22And we have sent with them our brother, whom we have oftentimes proved diligent in many things, but now much more diligent, upon the great confidence which I have in you.
23Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of Christ. 24Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf

2 Cor 9:1 For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:

2For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.
3Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:
4Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting. 5Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

The real truth of 1 Cor 16:1-2 is that the collection taken up for the starving saints in Jerusalem was to be done on the first day of the week so that they would not violate the Sabbath. Nothing to do with a worship service at all.

 

[Sinthesis]

The empty tomb was found on a Sunday morning. He could have risen "our" Saturday night or Sunday morning as either of these are the first day of the week. However, Jesus took the entire Jewish Sabbath off. Seventy-two literal hours is an unbiblical requirement easily refuted by scripture.

 

[thethinkingrebel]

I Lewis, is not trying to sway anyone, but I want to hear what many of you has to say about this. It has been years since I talked about this on this forum. But you can read the whole thing at this link. So who here is fully convinced that Jesus rose on Sunday ? And who here is fully convinced that Jesus rose on a Saturday ? This site is to fellowship and learn so let's learn.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm

On what day was our Savior resurrected?

Most believers seem to think that Yeshua (Jesus) was resurrected on a Sunday and attempt to use Luke 24:1-10 as proof and justification to change God's seventh day Sabbath to the first day. But is this a huge mistake! Where and when did God ever tell us that Sunday is now HIS Sabbath? The answer lies indisputably in the Bible which, when viewed from a "Hebrew perspective", tells us that Yeshua was resurrected at the end of the Sabbath; not early on a Sunday morning (the first day).

A thorough study of the Bible reveals that Yeshua was in the grave three days and three nights, and it tells us that He died on Passover which was during the High Holy Days (14 Nisan [see Leviticus 23:5]). This article will show that He was in the grave just before sunset on Wednesday night, according to Scripture (John 19:31); all day Thursday and Thursday night; all day Friday and Friday night, and all day Saturday (as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights) until just before sunset on Saturday when He was resurrected.
To begin with, in order to discern exactly when our Savior rose, it is important recognize a few things - beginning with the fact that the "dawning of a new day" according to YHWH is at twilight as it is getting dark; not first light in the morning!

(NOTE: According to Aramaic scholar and author Andrew Gabriel Roth, Aramaic literally reads "b'ramsha din b'shabata", or "in the evening of the Shabbat". The literal meaning of ramsha is "evening" or erev, but here it is used idiomatically. The dawn and set of the sun is not the only use; there is the "dawn of a new era" or as John 19:31 reads "mitil d'shabata negha", "the Shabbat was dawning." When we compare other verses that record this event, the time of the day being referred to is clearly more than half a day before literal dawn. In John chapter 19, when they put Y'shua into the tomb, they still refer to it as being "day", both in Aramaic and Greek. The "dawn" metaphor "to begin" is confirmed in John 19:42. A more literal form, "mitil d'shabata aiala", would be read as "the Sabbath was beginning/ entering/ coming about". What is true for "dawning" is also true of "setting" in the sense of "conclusion", as is meant here. This agrees with Greek version, Aramaic information in Matthew, and with other writers in the NT.)

Genesis 1: 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.
We also need to note the time that Yeshua was placed into the grave, which was at sunset - or approximately 5 p.m. (March-April timeframe). No matter what the days are called on our modern calendars, there is no way that 72 hours beginning sometime in the evening can end early on the morning three days later - which is what most Christian scholars are trying to insist.
The Bible tells us that Yeshua died at 3 p.m. (the ninth hour - John 19:14); that He was buried later that day (John 19:31); and that He was in the grave "three days and three nights" (72 hours).

Matthew 27: 45 From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.
Matthew 27: 46 And about the ninth hour, Y'shua cried out with a loud voice and said, My El! My El! Why have you spared me?* (See also Mark 15:33-34 and Luke 23:44)
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm

As far as I know he rose one a saturday after being killed on a wednesday. I remember listening to Bill Cooper (most people here will never have heard of him) demolish the easter beliefs on his show. But he explained it, and if he was right. It could not have been on a sunday, and never would have been.

 

[John 8:32]

The empty tomb was found on a Sunday morning. He could have risen "our" Saturday night or Sunday morning as either of these are the first day of the week. However, Jesus took the entire Jewish Sabbath off. Seventy-two literal hours is an unbiblical requirement easily refuted by scripture.

How about refuting it. Actually, the Bible is pretty specific about it being 72 hours.

 

[Elijah674]

Until I am convinced otherwise it is Saturday for me as well.

Hi, we are in 20012;) There has been increased knowledge prophesied for our last day. (so we know what day was.. Set Aside for Holy Use + Blessed & called by God as **HIS HOLY DAY)

SO: What does satan now have to do?? Go read Jer. 17:5's ones stuff to get the idea. Yet, there have been MANY SINCERE followers of Christ that have believed error but were STILL HIS OWN. But, that is not the case today. Hosea 4:6 + James 2:10. Knowing alone is not FAITH unless OBEDIENCE is followed through with. James 4:17

As 'i' see it, the ones of Rev. 17:1-5 have had way past God's boundry/line (probation/wise) as was given to the pre/flood (Gen. 6:3) ones of 120 years of striving with them to get 'Inside the Ark' (Rom. 8:1)

So as before (Eccl. 3:15) 666 will force the last FINAL SEPERATION. (Exod. 16:4 + 28 ibid) And that TESTING?? will be between your two day's being high/lighted, which will one keep? And God said...
How long [REFUSE YE TO KEEP **MY COMMANDMENTS and My laws?] And TESTED on just the forth commandment! (James 2:10)

--Elijah

 

[John 8:32]

Hi, we are in 20012;) There has been increased knowledge prophesied for our last day. (so we know what day was.. Set Aside for Holy Use + Blessed & called by God as **HIS HOLY DAY)

SO: What does satan now have to do?? Go read Jer. 17:5's ones stuff to get the idea. Yet, there have been MANY SINCERE followers of Christ that have believed error but were STILL HIS OWN. But, that is not the case today. Hosea 4:6 + James 2:10. Knowing alone is not FAITH unless OBEDIENCE is followed through with. James 4:17

As 'i' see it, the ones of Rev. 17:1-5 have had way past God's boundry/line (probation/wise) as was given to the pre/flood (Gen. 6:3) ones of 120 years of striving with them to get 'Inside the Ark' (Rom. 8:1)

So as before (Eccl. 3:15) 666 will force the last FINAL SEPERATION. (Exod. 16:4 + 28 ibid) And that TESTING?? will be between your two day's being high/lighted, which will one keep? And God said...
How long [REFUSE YE TO KEEP **MY COMMANDMENTS and My laws?] And TESTED on just the forth commandment! (James 2:10)

--Elijah

You are very correct here about the mark of the beast being a day.

 

[Webers_Home]

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According to the passages below; the Lord revived sometime on the third day rather than after the third day was over.

†. Mrk 9:31 . .The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

†. Luke 18:33 . . And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

†. Luke 24:6-7 . . He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.

†. Luke 24:46 . .Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

†. Luke 24:21-23 . .Today is the third day since these things were done. In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning but didn't find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive.

So then 72 hours is way over budget because in order to rise after the completion of 72 hours, the Lord would have to rise sometime during a fourth day instead of a third.

Others insist the Lord rose sometime during a night instead of a day, but that theory is easily refuted when the passages above are correlated with the ones below.

†. Gen 1:3-5 . . And God said: Let there be light! and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night.

†. Gen 1:14-16 . . And God said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night. God made two great lights: the greater light to govern the Day and the lesser light to govern the Night.

In other words: Day is when the sun is up, and Night is when the sun is down; and the preponderance of evidence clearly shows that the Lord rose during a day rather than during a night.

†. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day?

Israel's civil day ran from Rome's 6:am in the morning till Rome's 6:pm in the afternoon; and Israel's civil night ran from Rome's 6:pm in the afternoon till Rome's 6:am the next morning. So in order for the Lord to revive on a day, which he did, then he had to wake up sometime after Rome's 6:am rather than before their 6:am.

Note : Ancient Rome's 6:am (which coincided with the Jews' first hour of the day) was reckoned from midnight no matter what season of the year it was; and no matter whether the sun was full up or yet still rising.

The reason I felt it important to point all that out is because there's always at least one or two in the crowd who fixate on Hebrew 24-hour days— which begin and end at sundown —and of course by doing so throw their chronology into oscillating vapor lock right at the get go.

Cliff
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[nmwings]

The only sign Christ gave that He was the Messiah was that He would be in the tomb three days and three nights.

I know this thread is debating the Resurrection being on Sat or Sun, but I feel compelled to address this statement. Please forgive the interruption. The Messiah gave the 3 (three) signs of MOSES. See John 2:11, 4:54 and John 3:14. Moses was the greatest prophet of the Messiah than any of the other Prophets.

Jesus who is God the Son changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday when He chose to rise from the dead on the First Day of the Week. He finished/completed the Old Covenant and ratified His New Covenant by His own blood. The Old Law is no longer in effect. The New Law is now in effect. Jesus has the power to do this because He is Lord of the Sabbath.

That particular Sunday is the First Fruits of the Barley Harvest, which is a High Sabbath and occurs the 1st “Sunday†after the Passover. If indeed the disciples believed the Festivals and Law were “done away withâ€, then why were they “gathered together in one accord†OBSERVING the day of Pentecost 50 days later?? Jer 31 is a prophecy of the New Law, and it says that it is the "Old Law" written on our hearts. To "ratify" (to approve and sanction formally) the New is also ratifying the "Old."

Died on Friday the first day, stayed in the tomb on Saturday the second day, and rose on Sunday the third day after His death.

3 days and 3 nights… Friday day, Friday night. Saturday day, Saturday night…..the sun had not risen for a 3rd day, nor set for a 3rd night. Your theory only allows for two days and 2 nights.

The Holy Spirit's tongues of fire came upon the apostles on Pentecost Sunday which is also the first day ofthe week. The Church was officially born on Pentecost Sundaywhich is exactly 50 days after the resurrection of Christ:

Yes it was. The church was born on a Festival Day commanded by God to remember the Covenant made at Sinai! Here the church was approved and sanctioned formally on a FESTIVAL DAY.

It doesn't matter what day of the week Jesus rose from the grave. He didn't change a single thing in the 10 Commandments when He was resurrected. The day of worship did not change from Saturday (the Sabbath of the 4th commandment) to Sunday. Yes, certain things may have happened on the first day of the week, but a change in the official day of worship DID NOT happen.

You are very correct here about the mark of the beast being a day.

Just like God has His own mark for HIS people. Ex 3:13 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: He Rose On Sunday True or False

Originally Posted by Elijah674
Hi, we are in 20012;) There has been increased knowledge prophesied for our last day. (so we know what day was.. Set Aside for Holy Use + Blessed & called by God as **HIS HOLY DAY)

SO: What does satan now have to do?? Go read Jer. 17:5's ones stuff to get the idea. Yet, there have been MANY SINCERE followers of Christ that have believed error but were STILL HIS OWN. But, that is not the case today. Hosea 4:6 + James 2:10. Knowing alone is not FAITH unless OBEDIENCE is followed through with. James 4:17

As 'i' see it, the ones of Rev. 17:1-5 have had way past God's boundry/line (probation/wise) as was given to the pre/flood (Gen. 6:3) ones of 120 years of striving with them to get 'Inside the Ark' (Rom. 8:1)

So as before (Eccl. 3:15) 666 will force the last FINAL SEPERATION. (Exod. 16:4 + 28 ibid) And that TESTING?? will be between your two day's being high/lighted, which will one keep? And God said...
How long [REFUSE YE TO KEEP **MY COMMANDMENTS and My laws?] And TESTED on just the forth commandment! (James 2:10)

--Elijah

John832 (?)



You are very correct here about the mark of the beast being a day.

Elijah back with your remark. Thanks, but those verses are the Lords WORD.
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[Lewis]

Well we have to be true here. And that is, that the Catholic church is the one who changed everything to Sunday worship. Before they did that, it was always on a Saturday. And this is a proven fact. This is not for a Catholic debate, just fact.

 

[handy]

Well we have to be true here. And that is, that the Catholic church is the one who changed everything to Sunday worship. Before they did that, it was always on a Saturday. And this is a proven fact. This is not for a Catholic debate, just fact.

This isn't quite accurate.

Early church writers such as Justin Martyr, Ignatius, Irenaeus and Tertullian, all who lived between 100-200AD, attested to the practice of the church meeting on Sunday, long before Nicea and long before the Roman Catholic Church became anything more than simply the church in Rome.

I do believe that the practice of meeting on Sunday rather than Saturday was a gradual rather than abrupt change. Most likely, it came about as the Church expanded further and further into Gentile territory and became less and less of a "Hebrew sect". Gentiles, never having been under the Law in the first place and certainly not needing to put themselves under that particular burden, just furthered the custom of meeting on the first day of the week for collections and breaking bread. The Jewish Sabbath faded into the background.

At any rate, by the time 200AD rolled around, the custom of meeting on the first day rather than the 7th was well established. Again, long before Nicea and the RCC.

 

[JMJ]

Mark 16:9 (NKJV) Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.

He (Jesus Christ) rose from the dead on Sunday the first day of the week. This is true. :yes

That particular Sunday is the First Fruits of the Barley Harvest, which is a High Sabbath and occurs the 1st “Sunday†after the Passover. If indeed the disciples believed the Festivals and Law were “done away withâ€, then why were they “gathered together in one accord†OBSERVING the day of Pentecost 50 days later?? Jer 31 is a prophecy of the New Law, and it says that it is the "Old Law" written on our hearts. To "ratify" (to approve and sanction formally) the New is also ratifying the "Old."

Pentecost is indeed the festival/feast of First Fruits and this is a very important feast day for Christians and it is especially important for the Messianic Jews.

The old law was completed/finished/fulfilled by Jesus' perfect sacrifice. The old law was not "done away with," but the ordinances of the old law which governed both the worship practices and dietary practices which do not serve the new law have been abolished.

Ephesians 2:14-16(NKJV)
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.

Colossians 2:16
(ESV) 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.


Some Christians today claim that the Saturday Sabbath is still required. But, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and He chose the first day of the week to be the most important day for Christians to formally worship God under His new covenant. Jesus is the first fruit of the resurrection and God chose Sunday the first day of the week as the day for Him to rise from the dead. Paul states that we are to pay no attention to the people who claim that we must keep the Saturday Sabbath. We Christians are commanded to keep the Lord's Day. The Saturday Sabbath Day has been replaced by Sunday the Lord's Day on the first day of the week.

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ make it possible for all mankind to have a new spiritual beginning. The first day of the week is the day God chose for new beginnings both materially and spiritually. We cannot change what He has ordained.

Material new beginning:

Genesis 1:3-5 (ESV)
3 And God said, “Let there be light,†and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Spiritual new beginning:

Mark 16:9 (NKJV) Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.

1 Corinthians 15:20(NASB)
20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.

Christianity, originally called the Way, was first considered a sect of Judaism. Pentecost was relevant to all Christian Jews. Jesus Christ is the first fruits of eternal life for mankind. No human could enter into eternal life until after Jesus died on the cross and thereby paid the debt owed to God for the remission of the sin/spiritual alienation from God that Adam caused for all mankind.

3 days and 3 nights… Friday day, Friday night. Saturday day, Saturday night…..the sun had not risen for a 3rd day, nor set for a 3rd night. Your theory only allows for two days and 2 nights.

Writers use artistic license and exaggeration/hyperbole in order to emphasize the point they are making. The writer exaggerated the exact length of Jesus' time in the grave in order to make a connection with the story of Jonah. Jonah's stay in the fish prefigured Jesus' stay in the grave. Jesus was dead approx. 40 hours before His resurrection from the dead on the third day.

1 Corinthians 15:4 NKJV
and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

Yes it was. The church was born on a Festival Day commanded by God to remember the Covenant made at Sinai! Here the church was approved and sanctioned formally on a FESTIVAL DAY.

The Jewish festival/feast day of Pentecost of the Old Covenant still has relevance in the New Covenant and so its celebration was continued by the early Church. Its celebration/feast day is still continued to this day by His Church.