Heb 10:14 teaches eternal security

[FreeGrace]

FreeGrace. You KNOW I value your teaching. But I just don't see progressive sanctification in this verse.

I find it in the phrase "those who are being sanctified", which is in contrast to the phrase "made perfect forever".

I see glorification sanctification(perfected forever) and justification sanctification( those who will be glorified are those who are BEING justified.)

Can you break it down a bit for me, to help me see progressive sanctification?

Simply, I see ," Those who are perfected forever are those who are being positionally sanctified."

Exactly. When one believes, they are placed in union with Christ. This is called positional truth. The believer shares in what Christ has. As Christ is holy (sanctified), we are positionally sanctified. But we need to grow up in our salvation. That's progressive sanctification. Some believers do progress, but many do not. They remain, like most of the Corinthian church, babies spiritually (1 Cor 3:1-3).

I see 3 sanctification's in the bible. Glorification sanctification,positional sanctification and on-going sanctification.

I understand glorification, but haven't heard of it in relation to sanctification.

I see glorification as the future tense of salvation; we will be saved from the presence of sin. i.e.; we will be sinless in eternity.

In 10:14 I see glorification sanctification(perfected forever) and positional sanctification(being sanctified/passive voice.)

The phrase "perfected forever" is in the perfect tense. This tense indicates an action in past time with on-going results. In this case, on-going forever. Yes, in eternity we will be glorified with resurrection bodies just like Christ's. But since the writer used the perfect tense, he was speaking of an action in past time (when we believed) that has on going action forever.

Hope this helps.

 

[gr8grace3]

Exactly. When one believes, they are placed in union with Christ. This is called positional truth. The believer shares in what Christ has. As Christ is holy (sanctified), we are positionally sanctified. But we need to grow up in our salvation. That's progressive sanctification. Some believers do progress, but many do not. They remain, like most of the Corinthian church, babies spiritually (1 Cor 3:1-3).

Thanks brother. This is my difficulty in seeing progressive sanctification in 10:14. Some, if not most believers, do not progress in the Christian way of life. So being perfected forever depends solely on our justification sanctification.

I will have to study it out further.

 

[FreeGrace]

Thanks brother. This is my difficulty in seeing progressive sanctification in 10:14. Some, if not most believers, do not progress in the Christian way of life. So being perfected forever depends solely on our justification sanctification.

I will have to study it out further.

Consider this passage regarding positional truth.

Rom 6:1-8
1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. NIV

v.3-6 speak directly to our being in union with Christ, and sharing His death, resurrection and new life. This passage directly refutes the notion that one can lose salvation. Positional truth won't permit such a thing.

The very next verse directly refutes any claim that one can end up in hell.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. NIV

Since Paul established that by faith in Christ, the believer HAS died with Christ, we also will "LIVE WITH HIM".

The same concept is taught in 1 Thess 5:10 - He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.
NIV

v.4-9 contrast the lifestyle of unbeliever with the lifestyle of the believer. So, v.10 speaks of the believer's lifestyle; whether awake (living the Christian life) or asleep (living like unbelievers), the promise is the same: "we may live together with Him".

So Rom 6:8 and 1 Thess 5:10 are parallel verses. And refute the claims of Arminians regarding loss of salvation.

 

[gr8grace3]

Consider this passage regarding positional truth.

Rom 6:1-8
1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. NIV

v.3-6 speak directly to our being in union with Christ, and sharing His death, resurrection and new life. This passage directly refutes the notion that one can lose salvation. Positional truth won't permit such a thing.

The very next verse directly refutes any claim that one can end up in hell.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. NIV

Since Paul established that by faith in Christ, the believer HAS died with Christ, we also will "LIVE WITH HIM".

The same concept is taught in 1 Thess 5:10 - He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.
NIV

v.4-9 contrast the lifestyle of unbeliever with the lifestyle of the believer. So, v.10 speaks of the believer's lifestyle; whether awake (living the Christian life) or asleep (living like unbelievers), the promise is the same: "we may live together with Him".

So Rom 6:8 and 1 Thess 5:10 are parallel verses. And refute the claims of Arminians regarding loss of salvation.

I wouldn't dispute any of that.I am 100% rock solid in our union with Christ.

I have absolutely no doubt that Heb 10:14 speaks unequivocally about our eternal security. I just can't see progressive sanctification in it.

We are perfected forever (the moment we believe)whether we are awake or asleep After that moment.

New American Standard Bible
For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified(positionally sanctified/justified/in union with Christ)..........Some believers are not being progressively sanctified, they are asleep at the wheel. But they are positionally sanctified.

 

[Mustard Socks]

Consider this passage regarding positional truth.

Rom 6:1-8
1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. NIV

v.3-6 speak directly to our being in union with Christ, and sharing His death, resurrection and new life. This passage directly refutes the notion that one can lose salvation. Positional truth won't permit such a thing.

The very next verse directly refutes any claim that one can end up in hell.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. NIV

Since Paul established that by faith in Christ, the believer HAS died with Christ, we also will "LIVE WITH HIM".

The same concept is taught in 1 Thess 5:10 - He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.
NIV

v.4-9 contrast the lifestyle of unbeliever with the lifestyle of the believer. So, v.10 speaks of the believer's lifestyle; whether awake (living the Christian life) or asleep (living like unbelievers), the promise is the same: "we may live together with Him".

So Rom 6:8 and 1 Thess 5:10 are parallel verses. And refute the claims of Arminians regarding loss of salvation.

Romans 6:1-8 certainly refutes the heresy of hyper-grace and that of universalism that is now making its rounds here.

For my part I thought it contrary to the rules to post against scripture. As it appears though it must be said so as to protect so called baby Christians, or those who may be seeking to find out if Christianity is their calling from God. As such I believe it must be refuted , hyper-grace heresy and universalism, when it appears.
Because what now appears to be promoted now and on two fronts that I suspect are actually the same, is that Jesus died for all sins and all we have to do is work, work, work, work, work, work, work, and hope that we deserve to be saved when we're dead.
This of course is a lie and has not a thing to do with the message of the cross. If let to be promoted unaddressed and without being renounced, I believe we stand responsible for all that Jesus died for being marginalized by that teaching which does not accept Christ existed at all.

 

[gr8grace3]

Romans 6:1-8 certainly refutes the heresy of hyper-grace and that of universalism that is now making its rounds here.

For my part I thought it contrary to the rules to post against scripture. As it appears though it must be said so as to protect so called baby Christians, or those who may be seeking to find out if Christianity is their calling from God. As such I believe it must be refuted , hyper-grace heresy and universalism, when it appears.
Because what now appears to be promoted now and on two fronts that I suspect are actually the same, is that Jesus died for all sins and all we have to do is work, work, work, work, work, work, work, and hope that we deserve to be saved when we're dead.
This of course is a lie and has not a thing to do with the message of the cross. If let to be promoted unaddressed and without being renounced, I believe we stand responsible for all that Jesus died for being marginalized by that teaching which does not accept Christ existed at all.

Who is speaking of universalism? I know you misunderstood me. But I have not seen anyone bringing that to the table here as of late.

 

[JLB]

No, his point involves both positional sanctification and progressive sanctification. In the first part of the verse, the phrase "He has perfected forever" is in the perfect tense, denoting action in past time with on going results; in this case on going results FOREVER. That is eternal security. The second part of the verse has the phrase "those who are being sanctified". This refers to spiritual growth of the believer.

The phrase "has perfected forever" proves eternal security. You've not shown otherwise.

No scripture just opinion here.


11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. Hebrews 10:11-14


It means His one sacrifice is sufficient to bring to completion every man that comes to Him by faith, to walk out the process of transformation, through the renewing of the mind, which is exactly what the phrase... those who are being sanctified means.

... who are being sanctified... denotes a process; a process of being sanctified.

A process of being transformed into His image.

A process of becoming a son of God.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,even to them that believe on his name:
John 1:12


"those who are being sanctified" is the key phrase that teaches us that His one sacrifice is sufficient to bring about our completion
[perfection] of the transformation process, without "additional sacrifices" being made, unlike the law, which required many sacrifices being made, year after year.

That is the point the author is making.

We don't need many sacrifices, but His one sacrifice is sufficient for any and all our sins that we may commit for the rest of our life, as we come to God and confess our sin, we will be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness, while we are being sanctified.





JLB

 

[JLB]

For my part I thought it contrary to the rules to post against scripture. As it appears though it must be said so as to protect so called baby Christians, or those who may be seeking to find out if Christianity is their calling from God. As such I believe it must be refuted , hyper-grace heresy and universalism, when it appears.

Amen.

Because what now appears to be promoted now and on two fronts that I suspect are actually the same, is that Jesus died for all sins and all we have to do is work, work, work, work, work, work, work, and hope that we deserve to be saved when we're dead.

Continue in the faith, or continue to believe, is work?

How so?



JLB

 

[JLB]

Thus we pray to "our Father" which art in Heaven. Just as Jesus taught.



Or do you pray to the father which art in Heaven who has given us a process.

Personally, I pray to the Father in Jesus name.

I call Him my heavenly Father, though I do not yet see Him, I know by faith, He is my Heavenly Father, because I am joined to Christ and one Spirit with Him.

Because the Holy Spirit bears witness with my Spirit, that I am a child of God, though I do not see Him, I have the confidence of faith.

The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16

This is the substance of my hope. The hope of eternal life in Christ Jesus.


4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men. Titus 3:4-8



JLB