ezra
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i agree its not new but as i stated it is increasing more and more and of course the media help spreads it.
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Here’s How the New Christian Left Is Twisting the Gospel
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conversion by way of legal power to arrest and imprison a person for not be saved. that isn't the gospel.
The church through history has had ebbs and flows... I see the Church as victorious in the over all picture...He is the one building the Church... We people may fail He does not..
Mat_16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Hell will come against her ... Push like crazy but will not prevail... The victory is in Jesus..
Mat_16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Hell will come against her ... Push like crazy but will not prevail... The victory is in Jesus..
ezra
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:amen that we are promised we may go through some thing but a grantee of victory is promised
ezra
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not my cup of tea and not in my o.p
Christ_empowered
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Ugh. I was raised liberal PCUSA. Not only did it (predictably) fail me, now the whole denomination is collapsing. I don't think its the end of Christianity, and I think maybe this is where mainline denominations have been headed for a whlie. Actually, maybe a long time. Back in the 20s and 30s, Methodist ministers would give sermons on the wonders of eugenics, lol.
People do shop around for a Christian "brand" to cater to their lifestyle. All too often, denominations are divided by variables like education level, social class, and race and age more than along the lines of commitment to The Gospel. Happens...I think it was Brother Mike who pointed out that its probably always been that way.
People do shop around for a Christian "brand" to cater to their lifestyle. All too often, denominations are divided by variables like education level, social class, and race and age more than along the lines of commitment to The Gospel. Happens...I think it was Brother Mike who pointed out that its probably always been that way.
Dear Brother ezra, I pasted the following excerpt from your URL link.
http://www.charismamag.com/life/culture/22494-how-the-new-christian-left-is-twisting-the-gospel
“Popular liberal evangelical writers and preachers tell young evangelicals that if they accept abortion and same-sex marriage, then the media, academia and Hollywood will finally accept Christians.”
Is this a generalization? I’ve never heard this, but I’m supposing all things are possible, and we read in:
Php 1:16, the one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely . .
Php 1:17 But the other of love . .
Php 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
I’ve traveled through different churches with different levels of contention over doctrine, and as I’m sure you’re aware that in the last days some shall depart from truth, but this has also occurred throughout generations. I have also seen those that changed in their spirituality as they grew in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus. I remain convinced that a seed planted becomes the work of God, and it is Him that gives the increase as He leads us in paths of righteousness.
Blessings to you brother in Jesus’ name.
http://www.charismamag.com/life/culture/22494-how-the-new-christian-left-is-twisting-the-gospel
“Popular liberal evangelical writers and preachers tell young evangelicals that if they accept abortion and same-sex marriage, then the media, academia and Hollywood will finally accept Christians.”
Is this a generalization? I’ve never heard this, but I’m supposing all things are possible, and we read in:
Php 1:16, the one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely . .
Php 1:17 But the other of love . .
Php 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
I’ve traveled through different churches with different levels of contention over doctrine, and as I’m sure you’re aware that in the last days some shall depart from truth, but this has also occurred throughout generations. I have also seen those that changed in their spirituality as they grew in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus. I remain convinced that a seed planted becomes the work of God, and it is Him that gives the increase as He leads us in paths of righteousness.
Blessings to you brother in Jesus’ name.
Abigail123
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The article mentions the younger evangelical generation is responsible for the future of the church. Really? Since when has God's Truth, His Body not prevailed? He is in control, not any one generation. The Church will prevail
Amen!
Amen!
ezra
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its just a article to read is it a generalization ?????? i have no idea but in some cases yes . you can ask a thousand people a Bible question and will get a thousand different answers. from right to wrong to liberal and over the years we have had liberal preachers . let me give you a rule of thumb when you read a article like this. treat it like eating chicken eat the meat and throw the bones away. i have known all types of people from Christians who will not attend Church. to skeptics who are between agnostic and atheist . the last Church i pastored i had a man that was a wonderful Bible teacher that was my adult s.s teacher. but quit coming with a thousand and 1 excuses . i also had a woman who thought she ran the Church. but believed everyone was saved even the Jehovah witness . i have no idea of your travels but yes we are not in control God is and when the day of the Lord comes. judgement will come . i noticed one questioned the younger generation as the focus. to drop a though which is easier to influence the younger generation that is not rooted and grounded in the word? or the older folks? our universities are becoming more liberal .the professors are influencing the students with their liberal anti christ views. i have seen a wide variety of things happen in congregations . so we must speak the truth we take 3 girls to church with us every sunday 5-6-2 .mom and dad don,t go but we are trying to plant good seeds in them. .thats my campaign educate young kids so they can make the right choiceDear Brother ezra, I pasted the following excerpt from your URL link.
http://www.charismamag.com/life/culture/22494-how-the-new-christian-left-is-twisting-the-gospel
“Popular liberal evangelical writers and preachers tell young evangelicals that if they accept abortion and same-sex marriage, then the media, academia and Hollywood will finally accept Christians.”
Is this a generalization? I’ve never heard this, but I’m supposing all things are possible, and we read in:
Php 1:16, the one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely . .
Php 1:17 But the other of love . .
Php 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
I’ve traveled through different churches with different levels of contention over doctrine, and as I’m sure you’re aware that in the last days some shall depart from truth, but this has also occurred throughout generations. I have also seen those that changed in their spirituality as they grew in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus. I remain convinced that a seed planted becomes the work of God, and it is Him that gives the increase as He leads us in paths of righteousness.
Blessings to you brother in Jesus’ name.
JohnDB
Member
Until Constantine (roughly 300 AD) Christianity was roughly 5% of the population due to persecution and faithlessness.
When the church doesn't tolerate but instead accepts culture it's in trouble.
It's returning to that 5%...and doesn't want to. The concept of what is holy is just about gone. No one remembers or can apply that knowledge any longer.
It's our fault. We have worried more about our kids education and careers and grades than in their prayer life, their witness, and their relationship with God.
The ability to have the most accurate hermeneutics possible has never been before like today by the average person... And the most disregarded skill. If it takes more than an hour Small Group leaders don't bother. They stick with literature that is morality based on feel good stuff than scriptures.
When the church doesn't tolerate but instead accepts culture it's in trouble.
It's returning to that 5%...and doesn't want to. The concept of what is holy is just about gone. No one remembers or can apply that knowledge any longer.
It's our fault. We have worried more about our kids education and careers and grades than in their prayer life, their witness, and their relationship with God.
The ability to have the most accurate hermeneutics possible has never been before like today by the average person... And the most disregarded skill. If it takes more than an hour Small Group leaders don't bother. They stick with literature that is morality based on feel good stuff than scriptures.
AGustOfWind
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Why did it show a picture of two people with piercings and tattoos? That's quite a stereotype, honestly.
The Christian Left doesn't twist anything more than the Christian Right. It all depends on who is running the church, and how it is ran, Infact, there are so many branches of Christianity, that we could spend an eternity pointing fingers at eachother, making claims as to who is "Wrong" and who is "Right", when in reality, we can't fully interpret god's word correctly, it's just that simple. It is way beyond us, way over our heads. God gave us his word, but in no way are we intelligent or wise enough to fully interpret it correctly. So, instead of pointing fingers, let us work together.
So long as you love the lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and you love your neighbor as yourself, and have accepted Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, I see not why we must classify everything into different "sects"
JohnDB
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It's not what you have said that "sects" happen but what those words mean in definition and more importantly function is how we divide.
Seems silly but that's the truth.
How do you show that you love God?
What proofs out of your life and life choices point to your relationship with Jesus?
Can you or should you do more? And if "yes" what exactly should you do?
All these questions are rhetorical questions but they are the subject of debate.
Not_Now.Soon
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Decent article. Deninately was something that felt close to home with regards to being a couch potatoe Christian. But I don't think the vibe of the article is any more reliable then the idea of the "good old days," or the companion perspective that "those young kids are so much worse then we were at their age." I might not be old enough to have a decent opinion of kids these days, or of the memories of the years past and how much better they were, but I have seen those views in some others while growing up. What I noticed was that the people I heard with those perspectives of "kids these days..." Didn't actually notice the lives of the kids they were around, to justify or correct that view. It blinded at least one person from seeing me as a Christian growing up.
So while the issue of staying true to God is very much a worthwhile issue. Don't let it get you caught up in seeing the newer generations then your own as wrong before you meet the indivuals that make up those generations.
Not meaning you do this, Ezra. Or that anyone else here does. But just after reading the article voicing my concern.
Not_Now.Soon
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What do you do when the church or the people go against the Word? Probabley the same that you do if they sin against you. In Mathew 18:15-17 Jesus teaches what we are to do. In at least one translation I read the verse says we correct them for their benifit (instead of for righting a wrong and receiving justice.). In the NIV translation when I looked it up, verse 15 says "If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over."
On the other hand thought I think all of chapter 18 in Mathew is of value with regard to the topics of this article. Verses 10-14 say to not despise the little children, and the view of God towards someone wondering away is the same as a Shepard who chases after a lost sheep. Verse 6 lines up with the article in finding of console, and being bibically accurate, because it warns of causing another to stumble to be worse then having a millstone around their neck and drowned in the sea. Verses 7-9 continue on the note warning to rid anything that cause us to stumble, even if it is our own hand foot or eye.
But that said, condemning what is wrong is not the only issue worth considering. In verses 21-35, not only does Jesus answer how often we are to forgive one another (a count of times that is in my opinion more then I can count and meant as such a way to always forgive readily), but he also gives a parable of a servent that was unforgiving, and the consquences of this. This is something very hard if not impossible to do if we see our other Christian brothers and sisters as enemies because of their understandings, misunderstandings, perpectives, and focused attentions.
We need to be humble like children (Mathew 18:1-5), and in my opinion we need to stop trying to splinter the church apart from this church or that church, and this generation or that generation, and just come together.
Mathew 18:19-20.
19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
On the other hand thought I think all of chapter 18 in Mathew is of value with regard to the topics of this article. Verses 10-14 say to not despise the little children, and the view of God towards someone wondering away is the same as a Shepard who chases after a lost sheep. Verse 6 lines up with the article in finding of console, and being bibically accurate, because it warns of causing another to stumble to be worse then having a millstone around their neck and drowned in the sea. Verses 7-9 continue on the note warning to rid anything that cause us to stumble, even if it is our own hand foot or eye.
But that said, condemning what is wrong is not the only issue worth considering. In verses 21-35, not only does Jesus answer how often we are to forgive one another (a count of times that is in my opinion more then I can count and meant as such a way to always forgive readily), but he also gives a parable of a servent that was unforgiving, and the consquences of this. This is something very hard if not impossible to do if we see our other Christian brothers and sisters as enemies because of their understandings, misunderstandings, perpectives, and focused attentions.
We need to be humble like children (Mathew 18:1-5), and in my opinion we need to stop trying to splinter the church apart from this church or that church, and this generation or that generation, and just come together.
Mathew 18:19-20.
19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
Malachi
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Christendom is now in the throes of the great apostasy (which was already prophesied in Scripture). Bible truth does not matter any more, because the time has come when people will NOT endure sound doctrine. This article is simply confirming that fact, and things will not get better. Every believer must resolve to hold fast to the faith once delivered to the saints, and to prove all things, and only hold fast to that which is good.
JohnDB
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I'm not sure I would go that far.
Things have been tenuous at best throughout the centuries.
What makes the current status different from then?