Chrysanthemum7879
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On reddit, there was a user who made a post about asking God to wipe him/her from existence/consciousness after he/she did all he/she was supposed to do to be saved from eternal torment. Basically, he/she accepted Christ as his personal savior, but his/her plan is to ask God to return him/her back into a state of nonexistence now that the infinite debt of sin has been paid.
What perked my ears was the fact that almost all of the comments said that he/she deserved eternal darkness in conscious torment forever, comparing the desire to simply not exist to Satan's tyrannical desire to overtake God's Kingdom and rule and own the universe as his own, since he wanted to be God. There were several other users on Quora as well who did this.
So, this begs the question: HOW and WHY is the mere desire to not exist at all tantamount to someone with the narcissistic and egomanical desire to try to overtake somebody else's place, let alone their universe??? The person who doesn't want to exist at all forever doesn't want a thing from ANYBODY. They have absolutely NO interest in taking over anything or ruling anyone's life. They're not hurting anybody.
And it's interesting that while comparing the desire to choose nonexistence over eternal existence to the bold, arrogant desire of Lucifer to overthrow God, NONE of those people applied the same paradigm to people on Earth who lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder, etc. THOSE acts, just like Satan's attempt at overthrowing God, also play God, disrespect Him, destroy and ruin His creation and make life for everyone and everything living on Earth a living hell. Why isn't anyone saying "Are you God? Who said you have a choice over that?"
And we all know why: free will. So shouldn't the same apply to the choice between existing and not existing? Who is the person hurting or insulting? Also, theoretically, since the person never existed, they therefore wouldn't have been born in sin, wouldn't freely choose to sin, wouldn't need to be held accountable, and thus, no need for a Savior.
Their responses give the implication that simply the mere act of not wanting to exist in the first place is in of itself, a great evil for two reasons: 1. Since God created the soul, He intended for said soul to exist forever, so understandably, going against that design would be considered going against His will. 2. One could conclude that such an individual would only want such a thing if he/she simply wants to escape accountability for a lifetime of sin or avoid punishment.
They have a point, but there's a third alternative to consider: It could be that the person quite simply DOESN'T want Christ. They don't want to spend eternity in Hell not only due to the inevitable fellowhsip with some of the worst, most depraved, wicked people to have ever disgraced the Earth, but also other less discussed reasons such as a perpetually worsening spiritual and moral state and the obvious fact that nobody in their right mind would want to spend all of eternity in total darkness, loneliness, pain and misery with thoughts and a conscience that torment you (and not simply just because they want to escape punishment or accountability).
At the same time, the person...just doesn't want Christ.....it has nothing to do with sin, because there's plenty of sinners who DO want to spend eternity with God. They just don't have a desire or a passion to serve Christ for its own sake. Inevitably, they'll only want to come to Him if it's to avoid the alternative: Hell. And I'm NOT going to do that. You either want Him or you just don't. Bottom line.
So it begs another question: why are people like us here? Why are we here? The fact that there are only two eternal destinations after death and the fact that there's people who don't want God but are not necessarily evil in the truest sense of the word has solidified my belief (which in turn highlights Jesus' point when He said of Judas 'It would have been better if that man had never been born') that people like us should've never entered into existence.
That way, we wouldn't have a thing to complain or worry about. Know existence, know sin, know accountability. No existence, no sin, no accountability.
What perked my ears was the fact that almost all of the comments said that he/she deserved eternal darkness in conscious torment forever, comparing the desire to simply not exist to Satan's tyrannical desire to overtake God's Kingdom and rule and own the universe as his own, since he wanted to be God. There were several other users on Quora as well who did this.
So, this begs the question: HOW and WHY is the mere desire to not exist at all tantamount to someone with the narcissistic and egomanical desire to try to overtake somebody else's place, let alone their universe??? The person who doesn't want to exist at all forever doesn't want a thing from ANYBODY. They have absolutely NO interest in taking over anything or ruling anyone's life. They're not hurting anybody.
And it's interesting that while comparing the desire to choose nonexistence over eternal existence to the bold, arrogant desire of Lucifer to overthrow God, NONE of those people applied the same paradigm to people on Earth who lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder, etc. THOSE acts, just like Satan's attempt at overthrowing God, also play God, disrespect Him, destroy and ruin His creation and make life for everyone and everything living on Earth a living hell. Why isn't anyone saying "Are you God? Who said you have a choice over that?"
And we all know why: free will. So shouldn't the same apply to the choice between existing and not existing? Who is the person hurting or insulting? Also, theoretically, since the person never existed, they therefore wouldn't have been born in sin, wouldn't freely choose to sin, wouldn't need to be held accountable, and thus, no need for a Savior.
Their responses give the implication that simply the mere act of not wanting to exist in the first place is in of itself, a great evil for two reasons: 1. Since God created the soul, He intended for said soul to exist forever, so understandably, going against that design would be considered going against His will. 2. One could conclude that such an individual would only want such a thing if he/she simply wants to escape accountability for a lifetime of sin or avoid punishment.
They have a point, but there's a third alternative to consider: It could be that the person quite simply DOESN'T want Christ. They don't want to spend eternity in Hell not only due to the inevitable fellowhsip with some of the worst, most depraved, wicked people to have ever disgraced the Earth, but also other less discussed reasons such as a perpetually worsening spiritual and moral state and the obvious fact that nobody in their right mind would want to spend all of eternity in total darkness, loneliness, pain and misery with thoughts and a conscience that torment you (and not simply just because they want to escape punishment or accountability).
At the same time, the person...just doesn't want Christ.....it has nothing to do with sin, because there's plenty of sinners who DO want to spend eternity with God. They just don't have a desire or a passion to serve Christ for its own sake. Inevitably, they'll only want to come to Him if it's to avoid the alternative: Hell. And I'm NOT going to do that. You either want Him or you just don't. Bottom line.
So it begs another question: why are people like us here? Why are we here? The fact that there are only two eternal destinations after death and the fact that there's people who don't want God but are not necessarily evil in the truest sense of the word has solidified my belief (which in turn highlights Jesus' point when He said of Judas 'It would have been better if that man had never been born') that people like us should've never entered into existence.
That way, we wouldn't have a thing to complain or worry about. Know existence, know sin, know accountability. No existence, no sin, no accountability.
