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Higher moral teaching. Jesus or Muhammad?

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Gary

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Compare what Jesus taught and practiced to what Muhammad taught...

  • (1) You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ There is no such concept in Islam.

    (2) You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Again, no such concept in Islam. (Remember to consider Jesus' definition of "neighbor" in the parable of the good Samaritan.)
So again, Muhammad falls short of Jesus' teachings and commandments. Jesus also lived a higher standard:

Jesus taught love and forgiveness. He lived that.
Muhammad taught hated and revenge. He lived that.


Two opposite and conflicting messages

Jesus

  • Jesus taught us how to love our enemy, how to pray and forgive others. He showed it in His words and deeds:

    Jesus taught us to even love our enemy and to pray for those who persecute you: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. [Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Matthew (Chapter 5:43-45) - NASB translation]

    Jesus also taught us the how to pray and how to forgive others: “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. “So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. “Pray, then, in this way: ‘Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’

    “For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. “But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions. [Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Matthew (Chapter 6:7-15) - NASB translation]

    Jesus not only taught this, He acted it out: When they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left. But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.†[Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Luke (Chapter 23:33-34) - NASB translation]
Muhammad

  • Muhammad taught (650+ years later) the complete opposite: "It is not fitting, for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray for forgiveness for Pagans, even though they be of kin, after it is clear to them that they are companions of the Fire." [Qur'an according to Muhammad (Sura 9:113) – translation by A. Yusuf Ali]
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Conclusion: There can only be ONE ultimate truth. Islam (through Muhammad) and Christianity (through Jesus Christ) both claim that. Read these passages again and consider which of these moral teachings is from God.

:)
 
Muhammad


Muhammad taught (650+ years later) the complete opposite: "It is not fitting, for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray for forgiveness for Pagans, even though they be of kin, after it is clear to them that they are companions of the Fire." [Qur'an according to Muhammad (Sura 9:113) – translation by A. Yusuf Ali]
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Acts 3:22-23

22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.


Exodus 17:13 (King James Version)

13And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.

Numbers 11:33 (King James Version)

33And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague.

Numbers 21:3 (King James Version)

3And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.

1 Samuel 15:3 (King James Version)

3Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, ainfant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Matthew 3:12 (King James Version)

12Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

If Jesus is God.... That is He is part of the Trinity..... He commanded ALL the Biblical atrocities of the OT which differ in NO WAY from the atrocities put on Muhammed.
 
Challenge to modernity

It is true that in an environment of political correctness, those imbued with Western culture will see some stories as samples of mutilation, rape, various curses, slavery, capital punishment, animal cruelty, misogyny, child abuse, homophobia, and so forth.

These events are sometimes labelled "Bible atrocities and absurdities" by critics of Christianity (fundamentalist Christianity in particular), and presented as examples of ridiculousness, inconsistency and hypocrisy in those who subscribe to a literal interpretation of Scripture. One website summarises the argument: "Myth: The Bible is morally pure and free from atrocity. Fact: The Bible is filled with countless acts of barbarism and tyranny." [9] The argument dates back at least as far as 1795, voiced by Thomas Paine in The Age Of Reason.

"Bible difficulties" is an alternative term used by believers and apologists to describe these passages, although the phrase also covers alleged or apparent contradictions in the Bible.

:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_atro ... _modernity
 
I realise that you, like your SDA "prophet" White, don't believe the Bible.

Soma-Sight, do you still call yourself Christian?

I wonder why.....

:-?

P.S. Stay on topic. This thread is about Jesus and Muhammad and their moral teachings. Please go spam elsewhere.

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P.S. Stay on topic. This thread is about Jesus and Muhammad and their moral teachings. Please go spam elsewhere.
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The pacifism of the Jesus of the NT can be quite readily seen as you pointed out....

But if you are a Trinitarian...

The verses I have shown deem "Jesus" of the OT to be NO DIFFERENT than Muhammad's orders and other atrocities of Islam.

That I would not say is a spam but on topic in an "OT " kind of sense.

If you believe Jesus commanded the OT massacres that is....???



:)
 
SomaSite said:
The verses I have shown deem "Jesus" of the OT to be NO DIFFERENT than Muhammad's orders and other atrocities of Islam.
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Really? You know very little about the Bible and I strongly suspect that you know ZIP about Muhammad and his actions.

IF you do know something about Muhammad and what he did, why not quote a few examples and tell us how/why you think he was wrong it what he did.

Which would you consider to be Muhammad's most infamous actions? List the top 5-6 and explain why.

Thanks.

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christian-thinktank....

8-)

Aye carumba

Which would you consider to be Muhammad's most infamous actions? List the top 5-6 and explain why.
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Why not go the other route?

What is something GOOD we can say about Mohammed?

1. While Mohammed was serving a sick slave, the latter asked, "Has my master sent you to look after me ?"

"Yes," said Mohammed, "the master of masters has sent me to serve you."

One day, a dying dog approached a follower of Mohammed. The man had no means with which to procure water for the dog, for wells in the desert dry up quickly. He noticed a small pool of muddy water in the vicinity. He tore his shirt, soaked it in the water, placed the dog in his lap and moistened its mouth with the wet cloth. Another Arab who saw this went to the Prophet and said, "One of your followers has touched a filthy animal, a dog, and should therefore not be allowed back here again."

Mohammed questioned, "What was he doing to the dog ?"

"I do not know, but I saw him moistening its mouth with a torn piece of cloth dipped in muddy water," replied the man.

"He is a better Muslim than you are, because he is kind to animals," said the Prophet.


2.Prophet Muhammad never held back his love for the children and always expressed his fondness to them. In one hadith Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated:

I went along with Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) at a time during the day but he did not talk to me and I did not talk to him until he reached the market of Banu Qainuqa`. He came back to the tent of Fatimah and said, “Is the little chap (meaning Al-Hasan) there?†We were under the impression that his mother had detained him in order to bathe him and dress him and garland him with sweet garland. Not much time had passed that he (Al-Hasan) came running until both of them embraced each other, thereupon Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “O Allah, I love him; love him and love one who loves him.†(Muslim)

3.“Fear Allah and treat your children [small or grown] fairly (with equal justice).†(Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

4. "A Muslim who plants a tree or sows a field, from which man, birds and animals can eat, is committing an act of charity." (Muslim)

5. "No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that, what he desires for himself." (Abu Hamza Anas: Bukhari & Muslim)
 
Mohammad the Messenger of God

Well Gary this is a reply to your first post.

i do not understand or know your aim of that post but i can see your just making Islam look bad by spredding lies agains't Mohammad the messenger of God.

Such arrogance in things will leave the people to hate you and not listen to you.

be humble and respect others and see how they will reply back.


it's not right challenging faith's with their centre of faith.


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SomaSite said:
One day, a dying dog approached a follower of Mohammed. The man had no means with which to procure water for the dog, for wells in the desert dry up quickly. He noticed a small pool of muddy water in the vicinity. He tore his shirt, soaked it in the water, placed the dog in his lap and moistened its mouth with the wet cloth. Another Arab who saw this went to the Prophet and said, "One of your followers has touched a filthy animal, a dog, and should therefore not be allowed back here again." Mohammed questioned, "What was he doing to the dog ?" "I do not know, but I saw him moistening its mouth with a torn piece of cloth dipped in muddy water," replied the man. "He is a better Muslim than you are, because he is kind to animals," said the Prophet.
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Muhammad and dogs...

Yeah.. the same "prophet" also said:
Take down the pictures, kill the dogs - or no angels will visit you
http://answer-islam.org/Inspiredhadith2.html#PICTURES

Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 539:
Narrated Abu Talha:
The Prophet said, "Angels do not enter a house which has either a dog or a picture in it."

Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 540:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.

From the Hadith of Abu Dawud - #2839 - Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the apostle of Allah as saying: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/dogs.htm

From Sahih Muslim #5248 – Maimuna reported that one morning Allah’s Messenger was silent with grief. Maimuna said: Allah’s Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah’s Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me tonight, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises, and Allah’s Messenger spent the day in this sad mood. Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He commanded and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it at that place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but h spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields or big gardens.

:o :o :o

From Bukhari Vol. 7, #390 - Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar: "I heard the Prophet saying, "If someone keeps a dog neither for hunting, nor for guarding livestock, the reward (for his good deeds) will be reduced by two Qirats per day.""

That is why Muslims do not have dogs ... and why they are so against pictures or images!

We see that Muhammad had irrational - superstitious beliefs concerning dogs. Beliefs that make no sense going against modern medicine and science, logic, and practical experience.

1) Muhammad wanted all dogs to be killed, but he allowed dogs to live that served useful, physical purposes to their owners. But, regardless, all black dogs were to be killed because they were a "Satan".

2) Money made from the sale of "non-useful" dogs was a dirty as a prostitute's money.

3) Allah takes away reward in heaven for Muslims who own dogs as pets.

4) If a dog passes in front of a group of praying people, their prayers are null and void.

5) Angels will not enter a house if it contains a dog, (or a picture of a living creature).

:) :) :)
 
Muhammad destroys their food trees

SomaSite said:
"A Muslim who plants a tree or sows a field, from which man, birds and animals can eat, is committing an act of charity." (Muslim)
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Yeah.... the same Muhammad who destroyed trees!

THE ATTACK ON THE BANU NADIR JEWS 4 AH

[Attack on the Banu Nadir Jews: Tabari vol 7 p156 on, Sahih Muslim, # 4324, 4347, Abu Dawud, # 2676, LoM p265, 437 on, Tabaqat Vol 2, p68 – 71]

Not long after the defeat at Uhud, relations between Muhammad and the Banu Nadir became very strained. Muhammad had murdered some of their leaders previously and they resented his evil actions.

Muhammad had been in negotiations with the Banu Nadir. During one of his visits with them he received yet another "revelation". This one revealed to him that the Jews were plotting to kill him. He left their premises and returned with his army to make war upon them.

Muhammad destroyed their food trees. The Nadir challenged him because he had previously taught his troops to not destroy food trees. Muhammad replied that he had Allah's permission to do so because the Jews were so evil.

:o :o :o

In the Old Testament God commanded the Israelites to not destroy food trees. But, Muhammad claimed to have a "revelation" allowing him to do so - Sura 59:5.

Source: -here-
 
Dogs dont get into Heaven either from the Christian standpoint.

:D

In fact, dogs were never allowed near Holy Grounds or in Temples.

Jews dont keep dogs.

Question

As a child growing up in Tel Aviv, I don't believe I ever saw an Orthodox Jew (the ones with streimels, peiyes, and a Prince Albert coat) walking a dog. Is there some sort of religious reason for an aversion to dogs?

Answer

The Talmud does say that it is forbidden to keep a pet that will scare other people, and specifically mentions a barking dog. This is but one example of the Torah's sensitivity to other's feelings.

With blessings from Jerusalem,

Rabbi Shraga Simmons


Revelation 22:15

Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

There is no question that when Jewish and Christian writers refer to someone or to a group of people as a "dog" or "dogs" they are being derogatory. It is generally known that Jews regarded dogs as "unclean" animals, despised because of their public habits of "mixed" copulation, urination, and defecation. As expected, dogs were banned from many sacred sites. At Qumran, "one must not let dogs enter the holy camp, since they may eat some of the bones of the sanctuary while the flesh is still on them" (4Q394.58-59). Such a ban on dogs from sacred sites was also practiced among the Greeks, as Plutarch illustrates: "Some say a dog cannot enter the Athenian acropolis or the island of Delos because of its open mating" (QUAESTIONES ROMANAE 111).

So the "superstition" of Muhhamad about Angels not visiting one with a "dog" around can be traced back to the Jews and early Christians!

:)

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... _111734474
 
Muhammad murdered those who opposed him

Cleft Asunder said:
Well Gary this is a reply to your first post.

i do not understand or know your aim of that post but i can see (1) your just making Islam look bad by spredding lies agains't Mohammad the messenger of God.

Such arrogance in things will leave the people to hate you and not listen to you. be humble and respect others and see how they will reply back.

(2) it's not right challenging faith's with their centre of faith.
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(1) If I make Islam look bad by showing that Muhammad was a false prophet... I am doing what Jesus asked us to do. Expose false prophets by their deeds. IF you can prove that what I said is NOT true, I will withdraw the statements.

(2) Cleft Asunder: "it's not right challenging faith's with their centre of faith." Really? Then why did Muhammad try and do that against both Jews and Christians?

:) :)
 
Re: Muhammad murdered those who opposed him

Gary said:
Cleft Asunder said:
Well Gary this is a reply to your first post.

i do not understand or know your aim of that post but i can see (1) your just making Islam look bad by spredding lies agains't Mohammad the messenger of God.

Such arrogance in things will leave the people to hate you and not listen to you. be humble and respect others and see how they will reply back.

(2) it's not right challenging faith's with their centre of faith.
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(1) If I make Islam look bad by showing that Muhammad was a false prophet... I am doing what Jesus asked us to do. Expose false prophets by their deeds. IF you can prove that what I said is NOT true, I will withdraw the statements.

(2) Cleft Asunder: "it's not right challenging faith's with their centre of faith." Really? Then why did Muhammad try and do that against both Jews and Christians?

:) :)
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Gary, i have exposed your posts before not to be true, yet you refuse to withdraw them...

and its kinda difficult to get anywhere when you post so much cop/paste one after the other.....take it easyy...slow down...

and also, theres a difference between challenging and outright lies... :D
 
Bilal... did Muhammad use DECEIT? Yes or no? Are you also now using deceit?

Where have you shown my posts to be wrong? Link to them.

:)
 
WHAT DOES ISLAM SAY ABOUT JESUS?

* A true messenger of God;
* Prophet of God;
* Miracle birth without human intervention;
* He was the 'Christ' or Messiah as predicted in the Bible;
* He is with God now and most important;
* He will be coming back in the Last Days to lead the believers against the 'Antichrist.'

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/yusuf/prie ... .htm#story
 
This is so funny.... now SomaSite is the Islamic expert. He has never read a Surah or a Hadith but....

Please stick to the topic SomaSite. It is about comparing the MORAL TEACHINGS of Jesus and Muhammad.

:)
 
May Allah giude the ignorant into understanding Islam as it was reveiled not by making it look bad by using stupid trick's like Gary.




Gary

Peace!

when the ignorant speak i reply peace because it's the best answer.

so keep on going with your post's if you like. Islam won't be hurt by what a simple one old man in a forum says
 
Maybe you would like to explain what you think Muhammad's moral teaching was...

Did he murder anyone?
Did he allow the rape of women slaves?
Did he have sex with a 9 year old child?

:o
 
Maybe you would like to explain what you think Muhammad's moral teaching was...

Did he murder anyone?
Did he allow the rape of women slaves?
Did he have sex with a 9 year old child?
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Once again read the OT and find the same activities....

1 Sam 15:3 - Baby killing

Deut 13:5 - Kill all unbelievers

Numbers 31:16-18 - Moses and Mass Murder

Isaiah 13:15-16 - Rape and death of Babylon people

Deut 2:34 - Killing of Innocents

So whats your point Gary? Read the OT and see the similarities of Islam and the "roots" of the Christian Fairth!
 
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