Holding Them Accountable

[Corn Pop]

If there is one thing i am happy about in life its my relationship with my brother. Coming from a broken home and broken family and being around mungrels my life, my older brother has always been there for me and always treated me well, not once has he ever done anything wrong towards me, my whole life only had love for me, but i treated him badely because i had issues, but he never gave up on me.

Now we basically best friends, we hang out together, we go fishing together, we do everything together. Hes basically my best friend we do everything together these days. He helped me get back on track in life and always let me know i still have family for better or worse and he has been there for me even i turn on him had issues.

He bought be back to family. Like he is the Able and im the Cain and even he has been through hell he has always been there for me yet not me for him in selfishness. I would give my life for my brother. I can never repay him for his support.

 

[Barbarian]

Good, you're still with us. The Texas study is convincing. But fact remains, one crime committed by an illegal was 100% preventable by a border that kept him out.

And the woman in Illinois who was struck by a meteorite means that we should all be afraid of meteorites and build meteorite shields over our homes. You betcha. Thinking like yours is why casinos get rich.

Yet its still under a 1% crime rate, yet thats still alot of criminal behaviour in society, well i guess thats just reported crimes going from law enforcment data and only the violent crimes. Crimes in general and all the way down to petty thieft and the unreported there would probably be alot more.

It's less than 1/3 of one percent. Which is way down from just a few decades ago. About 40% from the last peak.

 

[Alfred Persson]

And the woman in Illinois who was struck by a meteorite means that we should all be afraid of meteorites and build meteorite shields over our homes. You betcha. Thinking like yours is why casinos get rich.



It's less than 1/3 of one percent. Which is way down from just a few decades ago. About 40% from the last peak.

That failed the test for validity, the middle term is undistributed--- a meteorite is not an immigrant legal or otherwise, borders to keep meteors out don't exist, we have no control over meteor strikes (so far)....

But if the small tiny weensy teeny number of illegal immigrants who do crime (no doubt apologizing while they do it), were not here=====the crime they did here would not exist from them.
=less crime

Logic my friend, is the enemy of the left. Its axiomatic.

 

[Barbarian]

That failed the test for validity, the middle term is undistributed

You don't seem to know how to use those terms. What do you think they mean?

The point is, you get upset about some unlikely events happening, but not others.

But if the small tiny weensy teeny number of illegal immigrants who do crime (no doubt apologizing while they do it), were not here=====the crime they did here would not exist from them.
=less crime

No, that's wrong, too. You see, the mass of illegal immigrants who obey the laws (they tend to be more law-abiding than native-born Americans) lower the likelihood of you being a crime victim. This is why El Paso is one of the safest American metropolitan areas; it has a very large population of illegal immigrants. You are safer there than in other cities with fewer illegal immigrants. Do you see why?

Math doesn't seem to be your forte.

Logic my friend, is the enemy of the left.

And apparently, a complete mystery to the right.

Think about it. If you can't figure it out, let me know and I'll take you through, step by step.

 

[Uncle J]

The fact that AP goes straight to an assumed negative outcome (an immigrant attacking you) is pretty indicative of....well, I'll let folks decide what it indicates.

He could have just as easily assumed a positive outcome, such as an immigrant rescuing you from a car wreck.

 

[Alfred Persson]

You don't seem to know how to use those terms. What do you think they mean?

The point is, you get upset about some unlikely events happening, but not others.


No, that's wrong, too. You see, the mass of illegal immigrants who obey the laws (they tend to be more law-abiding than native-born Americans) lower the likelihood of you being a crime victim. This is why El Paso is one of the safest American metropolitan areas; it has a very large population of illegal immigrants. You are safer there than in other cities with fewer illegal immigrants. Do you see why?

Math doesn't seem to be your forte.


And apparently, a complete mystery to the right.

Think about it. If you can't figure it out, let me know and I'll take you through, step by step.

Your categorical syllogism is irrelevant to immigration, meteors are not people, the woman's home is not the border.

The conclusion does not contain your premises.

Next, you declare wrong the argument "crime done by an illegal wouldn't exist if he weren't here".

To illustrate: "Had he not jaywalked, the truck wouldn't have run him over". You would deny the logic of that also? Why not, similar cause and effect is denied by your "No, that wrong too".

No, its right too. As I said, its Axiomatic the progressives have left the realm of reality, in an alternate universe where men can compete with women as women; Where men can be husband and wife; Where killing one's offspring pushed by an organization called "planned parenthood."

Orwellian speak is the language of the left, and they actually believe they speak into existence, whatever they keep repeating....

 

[Alfred Persson]

The fact that AP goes straight to an assumed negative outcome (an immigrant attacking you) is pretty indicative of....well, I'll let folks decide what it indicates.

He could have just as easily assumed a positive outcome, such as an immigrant rescuing you from a car wreck.

Its effective, smear those who disagree with loony agenda, as bigots etc.

No one wants to be called a bigot, so people begin self-censoring themselves. Meanwhile, the extremist loons continue shouting their lunatic ideas from the housetops, uncensored.

But as I said before, you do this so seamlessly, so automatically....one couldn't be blamed if they thought of you as a Bot, or paid operative.

Like a juke box, put in a coin and out comes the same old music, ad infimum.

I hope you aren't a bot. One day, a scripture verse might speak to your heart, causing you to repent.

 

[Uncle J]

Its effective, smear those who disagree with loony agenda, as bigots etc.

No one wants to be called a bigot, so people begin self-censoring themselves. Meanwhile, the extremist loons continue shouting their lunatic ideas from the housetops, uncensored.

That's quite revealing how you went straight to "bigot" when I never used the word.

Seems like you know exactly what you're doing, but you just don't care.

 

[Alfred Persson]

That's quite revealing how you went straight to "bigot" when I never used the word.

Seems like you know exactly what you're doing, but you just don't care.

That's expert sophistry. It doesn't matter the point, or perspective, its always caused by some alleged defect of mine.

You are good at what you do. No doubt many have been silenced by you.

But, as a Christian I do have bigger fish to fry, as it were. So you get only a small fraction of my time. To some degree its educational to see how everything is somehow evidence of personal defect. If I weren't a Christian, and wanted to push an unsupportable and somewhat insane agenda, I'd take notes, to learn from you "the master".

 

[Barbarian]

Your categorical syllogism is irrelevant to immigration, meteors are not people, the woman's home is not the border.

That's how analogies work. I thought you knew. Analogies are not syllogisms. And the conclusion is an inference from evidence.

Next, you declare wrong the argument "crime done by an illegal wouldn't exist if he weren't here".

No, you just made that up and insist that I did it. I'm pointing out your logical fallacy. In fact, the risk of crime depends on the number of people in any population who are inclined to commit crimes. So, for example, if all the illegal aliens left El Paso, it would soon have a higher violent crime rate, because there would be a higher percentage of violent people there after all the illegal aliens left.

To illustrate: "Had he not jaywalked, the truck wouldn't have run him over". You would deny the logic of that also?

It's not a logical argument. For example, if he crossed at a crosswalk, a truck might have run him over. You're making an inference, not a logical argument. I think you're trying to do a syllogism. But you're not doing that.

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Meanwhile, the extremist loons continue shouting their lunatic ideas from the housetops, uncensored.

Yes. They are free to release whatever hatred and anger they have... on their own dime. Businesses and organizations are not required to support them in that. It's not censorship; non-governmental agencies can set their own rules.

I get that reality is a stubborn thing, and it doesn't always match our desires. But you'll never succeed in making an alternative reality. That's just delusion.

 

[Barbarian]

That's expert sophistry. It doesn't matter the point, or perspective, its always caused by some alleged defect of mine.

You like to accuse people of things they never said. Maybe that qualifies as a defect.

 

[miamited]

What a great meme. Just today we got proof of that. Rep. Jim Jordan is saying that the new 'truth' that the FBI informant is now saying is the truth about the allegations made regarding the Bidens taking money from Burisma for some nefarious reason was all made up and came from Russian operators. Because that doesn't jive with what Jordan and Comer have been spending all of our hard earned tax dollars to prove; Jordan says the new 'truth' is the lie.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Barbarian]

What a great meme. Just today we got proof of that. Rep. Jim Jordan is saying that the new 'truth' that the FBI informant is now saying is the truth about the allegations made regarding the Bidens taking money from Burisma for some nefarious reason was all made up and came from Russian operators. Because that doesn't jive with what Jordan and Comer have been spending all of our hard earned tax dollars to prove; Jordan says the new 'truth' is the lie.

One time after another, they tout a new witness as the one to blow the whole thing open.

And then the witness contradicts everything they promised. But each new one, they say, will be the one that does it for them.

 

[Corn Pop]

And the woman in Illinois who was struck by a meteorite means that we should all be afraid of meteorites and build meteorite shields over our homes. You betcha. Thinking like yours is why casinos get rich.



It's less than 1/3 of one percent. Which is way down from just a few decades ago. About 40% from the last peak.

Aside from Afganistan and Syria and Libya that the USA interfered with, even they still not that bad, i find it amazing how the Arab world has a low crime rate in general. Many countries in Asia also they have low rates.

I mean America that is the most so called free and democratic country seems to have the most laws and rules and regulations and the most people thrown in prison than basically every other country in the world.

 

[Corn Pop]

Even Saudi has its crookedness but crime is low, the people are raised with values and its major violation to rob someone or commit a crime and the penalty is not eorth it, so the crime rate is low.. I think Saudis knows if you allow morals to fall then society will decay. Im not a big fan of Islam or anything but they still have some good morals they must live by.

 

[miamited]

Hi King Dan of Great the 1st

I mean America that is the most so called free and democratic country seems to have the most laws and rules and regulations and the most people thrown in prison than basically every other country in the world.

That's true. That has been true for quite a number of years. So, while I appreciate your complaint, it has very little to do with anyone currently overseeing the federal government. Crime is generally a state and city issue. We really don't have federal police walking the streets to arrest people on federal charges of some crime. You'll find over here that the federal government has very little to do with overall crime and crime rates.

Now, the federal government could likely reduce gun violence by outlawing many types of firearms for private/personal use. But here in the states one of our big pride points is that we can all carry guns around with us all the time if that's what we want to do. It's been a fairly reliable constant that the more guns a civilization has, the more deaths are caused by those people holding them.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi Alfred Persson

Logic my friend, is the enemy of the left. Its axiomatic.

I'm guessing that your use of the word 'axiomatic' makes that statement true to you somehow. Exactly 'why' is logic the enemy of the left?

God bless,
Ted

 

[Alfred Persson]

Hi Alfred Persson

I'm guessing that your use of the word 'axiomatic' makes that statement true to you somehow. Exactly 'why' is logic the enemy of the left?

God bless,
Ted

Transgenderism, "pronoun" edict illustrates the axiom: Against an overwhelming mass of biological evidence men are not and cannot be "women", the left "deems" they are. Irrational, illogical, loony yes, but its real to them despite the evidence and logic.

 

[Barbarian]

Your categorical syllogism is irrelevant to immigration, meteors are not people, the woman's home is not the border.

It's an analogy, not a syllogism. You don't know much about logic, do you?

 

[miamited]

Hi again Alfred Persson

I mean honestly, if logic is what makes those aligned with the 'right', as defined by the MAGA bunch, is what causes a man to chase a lie for 3 years with nothing to show for it... then, I'm sorry, but please let me be on the left. I never equated logic with stupid, blind, ignorance.

God bless,
Ted